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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:17 PM
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Thomas Friedman's latest apologetic on behalf of the global elite/job killers
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 06:21 PM by brentspeak
A typical Thomas Friedman globalist apologetic consists of the following:

1) An intro "I had an opportunity to rub elbows with/speak with (such-and-such) Very Important Member of the Ruling Power/Economic Elite" who is here to tell us how things really are

1a) Sometimes, Friedman changes things up by quoting some Indian cab-driver or Chinese factor worker or Indonesian computer repairman, who will invariably tell him why globalization is such a great thing

2) A section where the exasperated Ruling Elitist being interviewed professes frustration over the state of American math and science education

3) Which then justifies sourcing his company's labor and research overseas

4) A "if you want jobs, you should listen to this person I'm quoting" bit

5) A section where clever-sounding New Terms and Jargon are introduced to the public, which Friedman hopes will catch on in the popular vocabulary ("We are the United States of Deferred Maintenance.")



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/opinion/03friedman.html?em

A Word From the Wise

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: March 2, 2010

I was traveling via Los Angeles International Airport — LAX — last week. Walking through its faded, cramped domestic terminal, I got the feeling of a place that once thought of itself as modern but has had one too many face-lifts and simply can’t hide the wrinkles anymore. In some ways, LAX is us. We are the United States of Deferred Maintenance. China is the People’s Republic of Deferred Gratification. They save, invest and build. We spend, borrow and patch.

snip

I had a chance last week to listen to Paul Otellini, the chief executive of Intel, the microchip maker and one of America’s crown jewel companies. Otellini was in Washington to talk about competitiveness at Brookings and the Aspen Institute. At a time when so much of our public policy discussion is dominated by health care and bailouts, my public service for the week is to share Mr. Otellini’s views on start-ups.

While America still has the quality work force, political stability and natural resources a company like Intel needs, said Otellini, the U.S. is badly lagging in developing the next generation of scientific talent and incentives to induce big multinationals to create lots more jobs here.

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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:32 PM
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1. Friedman married into money.
He does NOT have to work for a living.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:53 PM
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125. yep. stock clipper & propagandist.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:35 PM
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2. Ignore him at your peril, because he's quite right.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:42 PM
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5. About what?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:02 PM
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6. All of it.
But this line is especially telling:

'the U.S. is badly lagging in developing the next generation of scientific talent and incentives to induce big multinationals to create lots more jobs here'
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:09 PM
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8. If that is true, then the ones who should be blamed are the high-tech outsourcers
and their mouthpieces in the corporate media, like Thomas Friedman.

What's the incentive for a young American to pursue a career in high-tech when they know all the good jobs are being shipped overseas?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:12 PM
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10. High tech outsourcers and Friedman are not responsible
for the lack of scientic education in the US.

Don't argue in circles.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:13 PM
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11. Where's the lack of scientific education in the U.S?
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 07:14 PM by brentspeak
I'm trying to locate this "lack of" that you speak of; have you seen it anywhere?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:17 PM
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14. No one seems to know where it got to.
But everyone talks about it, and regrets it's passing.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:15 PM
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55. Translation: "I, "HeresyLives", can only provide gobbley-gooke non-sequitors"
"In addition to my being a global elite butt-kisser."
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:21 PM
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62. I think you crossed the line there, dude.
Nice knowing you.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:00 PM
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25. There is no "lack of".....bullshit excuse for cheap labor
The Science Education Myth: Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_827398.htm

College enrollment in computer science, engineering on the rise

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2009-03-17-engineering-computer-enrollment_N.htm

Study: There Is No Shortage of U.S. Engineers

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Study-There-Is-No-Shortage-of-US-Engineers/


These were found on just a quick search. There's more out there to dispute the BS theory.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:02 PM
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26. Rah rah rah is big this week I see.
Oddly enough patriotism doesn't explain the unemployment lines.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:06 PM
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27. I supplied you with articles and links.....More than you've contributed to this thread
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 08:08 PM by OhioChick
Take your shit elsewhere and quit following me around spewing your BS.

On edit to add: I wasn't replying to YOU in post #25
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:13 PM
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29. Well you supplied old articles involving flag-waving.
One of which even warned 'However, the study warns that the United States is losing its global edge.' and that was in 2007.

I'm unlikely to follow you around, since you are keen on going downhill all the time, so relax.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. "You" are keen on going downhill all the time....
:rofl:

Don't waste my time.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Sorry, I'm going in the other direction.
Also sorry to hear America won't be joining us.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:20 PM
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33. THANK GOD!
You should also consider joining a forum for your own country's welfare, instead of CONSTANTLY putting down US workers HERE. You're a disgrace to US blue/white collar workers.

Good riddance!!!!!!
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:24 PM
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34. Now you're cheering the downfall of the US!
You have one of the worst cases of Future Shock I've ever seen, and it's causing you to make confused statements.

Does this site exist only to promote blue collar workers??

And are all posters required to swear allegiance or something to them?

That's not in the rules.

The future is tech...collars don't come into it.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:26 PM
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35. I was cheering because I THOUGHT you were leaving....n/t
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Another example of your inability to understand
current conditions.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Rah rah rah.....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:34 PM
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38. Deleted message
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #26
42. Right, we have our saboteur private sector to thank for those.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. Rightwing and leftwing are equally paranoid.
The rightwing thinks the govt is out to get them, and the leftwing thinks the corporations are out to get them.

Truth is...neither of them even give you a thot.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:18 PM
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57. Absolutely right. Corporations and the wealthy that run them don't give us an OUNCE of toss.
AT all.

There's no humanistic aspect to business anymore. Workers are like barely useful pieces of oxygen-thieving dogshit to the corporatists. They all live by the mantra: "It's not enough that I succeed, but everyone else must fail".

Funny thing is, though . . . .

On Sept. 12, 2001, there were no commercial flights in the United States. It was uncertain when airlines would be permitted to start flying again—or how many customers would be on them. Airlines faced not only the tragedy of 9/11 but the fact that economy was entering a recession. So almost immediately, all the U.S. airlines, save one, did what so many U.S. corporations are particularly skilled at doing: they began announcing tens of thousands of layoffs. Today the one airline that didn't cut staff, Southwest, still has never had an involuntary layoff in its almost 40-year history. It's now the largest domestic U.S. airline and has a market capitalization bigger than all its domestic competitors combined. As its former head of human resources once told me: "If people are your most important assets, why would you get rid of them?"
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:20 PM
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61. No, neither are social workers and never have been.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #10
127. there is no lack of scientific education in the US. That's ruling-class propaganda to justify
their attack on the working class.

Not surprisingly, I find you passing it along.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:00 PM
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24. Trickle Down Economics does not work.. it has been proven..
.. the reason we are hell bent to wards Depression II, is because Washington and our MSM are unable to conceive of any other economic system (OTHER THAN) supply side. It has been forced fed into their brains since 1980. Re-inforced by the right-wing lie that the average working class could be "Investors" with Mutual Funds and Stocks.

The truth is.. Supply Side is poison. As long a people embrace it.. we are trapped in poverty,, shortage and unemployment.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:59 PM
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134. Not a damn thing. n/t
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:00 PM
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46. And yet, every piece of concrete economic data we have says he is wrong.
You keep talking about where "the future is" and as you do you continue to deliver the same trickle-down economic theory, only on a global scale.

The problem is, we have overwhelming historical data showing the long term failure of supply-side economics. It doesn't work. In fact, it leads to a cycle of escalating financial crisis. It's still unclear if we're even going to survive this most recent one, since the commercial housing bubble is about to burst and we risk a double-dip "recession" (or depression, as far as ordinary people are concerned.)

And yet corporate globalists want to go global with this same economic model. It's nuts, and is not based on any kind of empirical foundation. It's simply the wet dream of upper class white corporate shills.

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:46 PM
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100. A Short History of Neo-liberalism:
non-copyright work,re-published by permission.

A Short History of Neo-liberalism
Twenty Years of Elite Economics and Emerging Opportunities for Structural Change

by Susan George
Conference on Economic Sovereignty in a Globalising World
Bangkok, 24-26 March 1999

The Conference organisers have asked me for a brief history of neo-liberalism which they title "Twenty Years of Elite Economics". I'm sorry to tell you that in order to make any sense, I have to start even further back, some 50 years ago, just after the end of World War II.

In 1945 or 1950, if you had seriously proposed any of the ideas and policies in today's standard neo-liberal toolkit, you would have been laughed off the stage at or sent off to the insane asylum. At least in the Western countries, at that time, everyone was a Keynesian, a social democrat or a social-Christian democrat or some shade of Marxist. The idea that the market should be allowed to make major social and political decisions; the idea that the State should voluntarily reduce its role in the economy, or that corporations should be given total freedom, that trade unions should be curbed and citizens given much less rather than more social protection--such ideas were utterly foreign to the spirit of the time. Even if someone actually agreed with these ideas, he or she would have hesitated to take such a position in public and would have had a hard time finding an audience.

However incredible it may sound today, particularly to the younger members of the audience, the IMF and the World Bank were seen as progressive institutions. They were sometimes called Keynes's twins because they were the brain-children of Keynes and Harry Dexter White, one of Franklin Roosevelt's closest advisors. When these institutions were created at Bretton Woods in 1944, their mandate was to help prevent future conflicts by lending for reconstruction and development and by smoothing out temporary balance of payments problems. They had no control over individual government's economic decisions nor did their mandate include a licence to intervene in national policy.

In the Western nations, the Welfare State and the New Deal had got underway in the 1930s but their spread had been interrupted by the war. The first order of business in the post-war world was to put them back in place. The other major item on the agenda was to get world trade moving--this was accomplished through the Marshall Plan which established Europe once again as the major trading partner for the US, the most powerful economy in the world. And it was at this time that the strong winds of decolonisation also began to blow, whether freedom was obtained by grant as in India or through armed struggle as in Kenya, Vietnam and other nations.

On the whole, the world had signed on for an extremely progressive agenda. The great scholar Karl Polanyi published his masterwork, The Great Transformation in 1944, a fierce critique of 19th century industrial, market-based society. Over 50 years ago Polanyi made this amazingly prophetic and modern statement: "To allow the market mechanism to be sole director of the fate of human beings and their natural environment...would result in the demolition of society" . However, Polanyi was convinced that such a demolition could no longer happen in the post-war world because, as he said , "Within the nations we are witnessing a development under which the economic system ceases to lay down the law to society and the primacy of society over that system is secured".

Alas, Polanyi's optimism was misplaced--the whole point of neo-liberalism is that the market mechanism should be allowed to direct the fate of human beings. The economy should dictate its rules to society, not the other way around. And just as Polanyi foresaw, this doctrine is leading us directly towards the "demolition of society".

So what happened? Why have we reached this point half a century after the end of the Second World War? Or, as the organisers ask, "Why are we having this conference right now?" The short answer is "Because of the series of recent financial crises, especially in Asia". But this begs the question--the question they are really asking is "How did neo-liberalism ever emerge from its ultra-minoritarian ghetto to become the dominant doctrine in the world today?" Why can the IMF and the Bank intervene at will and force countries to participate in the world economy on basically unfavourable terms. Why is the Welfare State under threat in all the countries where it was established? Why is the environment on the edge of collapse and why are there so many poor people in both the rich and the poor countries at a time when there has never existed such great wealth? Those are the questions that need to be answered from an historical perspective.

As I've argued in detail in the US quarterly journal Dissent, one explanation for this triumph of neo-liberalism and the economic, political, social and ecological disasters that go with it is that neo-liberals have bought and paid for their own vicious and regressive "Great Transformation". They have understood, as progressives have not, that ideas have consequences. Starting from a tiny embryo at the University of Chicago with the philosopher-economist Friedrich von Hayek and his students like Milton Friedman at its nucleus, the neo-liberals and their funders have created a huge international network of foundations, institutes, research centers, publications, scholars, writers and public relations hacks to develop, package and push their ideas and doctrine relentlessly.

They have built this highly efficient ideological cadre because they understand what the Italian Marxist thinker Antonio Gramsci was talking about when he developed the concept of cultural hegemony. If you can occupy peoples' heads, their hearts and their hands will follow. I do not have time to give you details here, but believe me, the ideological and promotional work of the right has been absolutely brilliant. They have spent hundreds of millions of dollars, but the result has been worth every penny to them because they have made neo-liberalism seem as if it were the natural and normal condition of humankind. No matter how many disasters of all kinds the neo-liberal system has visibly created, no matter what financial crises it may engender, no matter how many losers and outcasts it may create, it is still made to seem inevitable, like an act of God, the only possible economic and social order available to us.

Let me stress how important it is to understand that this vast neo-liberal experiment we are all being forced to live under has been created by people with a purpose. Once you grasp this, once you understand that neo-liberalism is not a force like gravity but a totally artificial construct, you can also understand that what some people have created, other people can change. But they cannot change it without recognising the importance of ideas. I'm all for grassroots projects, but I also warn that these will collapse if the overall ideological climate is hostile to their goals.

So, from a small, unpopular sect with virtually no influence, neo-liberalism has become the major world religion with its dogmatic doctrine, its priesthood, its law-giving institutions and perhaps most important of all, its hell for heathen and sinners who dare to contest the revealed truth. Oskar Lafontaine, the ex-German Finance Minister who the Financial Times called an "unreconstructed Keynesian" has just been consigned to that hell because he dared to propose higher taxes on corporations and tax cuts for ordinary and less well-off families.

Having set the ideological stage and the context, now let me fast-forward so that we are back in the twenty year time frame. That means 1979, the year Margaret Thatcher came to power and undertook the neo-liberal revolution in Britain. The Iron Lady was herself a disciple of Friedrich von Hayek, she was a social Darwinist and had no qualms about expressing her convictions. She was well known for justifying her programme with the single word TINA, short for There Is No Alternative. The central value of Thatcher's doctrine and of neo-liberalism itself is the notion of competition--competition between nations, regions, firms and of course between individuals. Competition is central because it separates the sheep from the goats, the men from the boys, the fit from the unfit. It is supposed to allocate all resources, whether physical, natural, human or financial with the greatest possible efficiency.

In sharp contrast, the great Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu ended his Tao-te Ching with these words: "Above all, do not compete". The only actors in the neo-liberal world who seem to have taken his advice are the largest actors of all, the Transnational Corporations. The principle of competition scarcely applies to them; they prefer to practise what we could call Alliance Capitalism. It is no accident that, depending on the year, two-thirds to three-quarters of all the money labeled "Foreign Direct Investment" is not devoted to new, job-creating investment but to Mergers and Acquisitions which almost invariably result in job losses.

Because competition is always a virtue, its results cannot be bad. For the neo-liberal, the market is so wise and so good that like God, the Invisible Hand can bring good out of apparent evil. Thus Thatcher once said in a speech, "It is our job to glory in inequality and see that talents and abilities are given vent and expression for the benefit of us all." In other words, don't worry about those who might be left behind in the competitive struggle. People are unequal by nature, but this is good because the contributions of the well-born, the best-educated, the toughest, will eventually benefit everyone. Nothing in particular is owed to the weak, the poorly educated, what happens to them is their own fault, never the fault of society. If the competitive system is "given vent" as Margaret says, society will be the better for it. Unfortunately, the history of the past twenty years teaches us that exactly the opposite is the case.

In pre-Thatcher Britain, about one person in ten was classed as living below the poverty line, not a brilliant result but honourable as nations go and a lot better than in the pre-War period. Now one person in four, and one child in three is officially poor. This is the meaning of survival of the fittest: people who cannot heat their houses in winter, who must put a coin in the meter before they can have electricity or water, who do not own a warm waterproof coat, etc. I am taking these examples from the 1996 report of the British Child Poverty Action Group. I will illustrate the result of the Thatcher-Major "tax reforms" with a single example: During the 1980s, 1 percent of taxpayers received 29 percent of all the tax reduction benefits, such that a single person earning half the average salary found his or her taxes had gone up by 7 percent, whereas a single person earning 10 times the average salary got a reduction of 21%.

Another implication of competition as the central value of neo-liberalism is that the public sector must be brutally downsized because it does not and cannot obey the basic law of competing for profits or for market share. Privatisation is one of the major economic transformations of the past twenty years. The trend began in Britain and has spread throughout the world.

Let me start by asking why capitalist countries, particularly in Europe, had public services to begin with, and why many still do. In reality, nearly all public services constitute what economists call "natural monopolies". A natural monopoly exists when the minimum size to guarantee maximum economic efficiency is equal to the actual size of the market. In other words, a company has to be a certain size to realise economies of scale and thus provide the best possible service at the lowest possible cost to the consumer. Public services also require very large investment outlays at the beginning--like railroad tracks or power grids--which does not encourage competition either. That's why public monopolies were the obvious optimum solution. But neo-liberals define anything public as ipso facto "inefficient".

So what happens when a natural monopoly is privatised? Quite normally and naturally, the new capitalist owners tend to impose monopoly prices on the public, while richly remunerating themselves. Classical economists call this outcome "structural market failure" because prices are higher than they ought to be and service to the consumer is not necessarily good. In order to prevent structural market failures, up to the mid-1980s, the capitalist countries of Europe almost universally entrusted the post office, telecomms, electricity, gas, railways, metros, air transport and usually other services like water, rubbish collection, etc. to state-owned monopolies. The USA is the big exception, perhaps because it is too huge geographically to favour natural monopolies.

In any event, Margaret Thatcher set out to change all that. As an added bonus, she could also use privatisation to break the power of the trade unions. By destroying the public sector where unions were strongest, she was able to weaken them drastically. Thus between 1979 and 1994, the number of jobs in the public sector in Britain was reduced from over 7 million to 5 million, a drop of 29 percent. Virtually all the jobs eliminated were unionised jobs. Since private sector employment was stagnant during those fifteen years, the overall reduction in the number of British jobs came to 1.7 million, a drop of 7% compared to 1979. To neo-liberals, fewer workers is always better than more because workers impinge on shareholder value.

As for other effects of privatisation, they were predictable and predicted. The managers of the newly privatised enterprises, often exactly the same people as before, doubled or tripled their own salaries. The government used taxpayer money to wipe out debts and recapitalise firms before putting them on the market--for example, the water authority got 5 billion pounds of debt relief plus 1.6 billion pounds called the "green dowry" to make the bride more attractive to prospective buyers. A lot of Public Relations fuss was made about how small stockholders would have a stake in these companies--and in fact 9 million Brits did buy shares--but half of them invested less than a thousand pounds and most of them sold their shares rather quickly, as soon as they could cash in on the instant profits.

From the results, one can easily see that the whole point of privatisation is neither economic efficiency or improved services to the consumer but simply to transfer wealth from the public purse--which could redistribute it to even out social inequalities--to private hands. In Britain and elsewhere, the overwhelming majority of privatised company shares are now in the hands of financial institutions and very large investors. The employees of British Telecom bought only 1 percent of the shares, those of British Aerospace 1.3 percent, etc. Prior to Ms Thatcher's onslaught, a lot of the public sector in Britain was profitable. Consequently, in 1984, public companies contributed over 7 billion pounds to the treasury. All that money is now going to private shareholders. Service in the privatised industries is now often disastrous--the Financial Times reported an invasion of rats in the Yorkshire Water system and anyone who has survived taking Thames trains in Britain deserves a medal.

Exactly the same mechanisms have been at work throughout the world. In Britain, the Adam Smith Institute was the intellectual partner for creating the privatisation ideology. USAID and the World Bank have also used Adam Smith experts and have pushed the privatisation doctrine in the South. By 1991 the Bank had already made 114 loans to speed the process, and every year its Global Development Finance report lists hundreds of privatisations carried out in the Bank's borrowing countries.

I submit that we should stop talking about privatisation and use words that tell the truth: we are talking about alienation and surrender of the product of decades of work by thousands of people to a tiny minority of large investors. This is one of the greatest hold-ups of ours or any generation.

Another structural feature of neo-liberalism consists in remunerating capital to the detriment of labour and thus moving wealth from the bottom of society to the top. If you are, roughly, in the top 20 percent of the income scale, you are likely to gain something from neo-liberalism and the higher you are up the ladder, the more you gain. Conversely, the bottom 80 percent all lose and the lower they are to begin with, the more they lose proportionally.

Lest you thought I had forgotten Ronald Reagan, let me illustrate this point with the observations of Kevin Phillips, a Republican analyst and former aid to President Nixon, who published a book in 1990 called The Politics of Rich and Poor. He charted the way Reagan's neo-liberal doctrine and policies had changed American income distribution between 1977 and 1988. These policies were largely elaborated by the conservative Heritage Foundation, the principle think-tank of the Reagan administration and still an important force in American politics. Over the decade of the 1980s, the top 10 percent of American families increased their average family income by 16 percent, the top 5 percent increased theirs by 23 percent, but the extremely lucky top 1 percent of American families could thank Reagan for a 50 percent increase. Their revenues went from an affluent $270.000 to a heady $405.000. As for poorer Americans, the bottom 80 percent all lost something; true to the rule, the lower they were on the scale, the more they lost. The bottom 10 percent of Americans reached the nadir: according to Phillip's figures, they lost 15% of their already meagre incomes: from an already rock-bottom average of $4.113 annually, they dropped to an inhuman $3.504. In 1977, the top 1 percent of American families had average incomes 65 times as great as those of the bottom 10 percent. A decade later, the top 1 percent was 115 times as well off as the bottom decile.

America is one of the most unequal societies on earth, but virtually all countries have seen inequalities increase over the past twenty years because of neo-liberal policies. UNCTAD published some damning evidence to this effect in its 1997 Trade and Development Report based on some 2600 separate studies of income inequalities, impoverishment and the hollowing out of the middle classes. The UNCTAD team documents these trends in dozens of widely differing societies, including China, Russia and the other former Socialist countries.

There is nothing mysterious about this trend towards greater inequality. Policies are specifically designed to give the already rich more disposable income, particularly through tax cuts and by pushing down wages. The theory and ideological justification for such measures is that higher incomes for the rich and higher profits will lead to more investment, better allocation of resources and therefore more jobs and welfare for everyone. In reality, as was perfectly predictable, moving money up the economic ladder has led to stock market bubbles, untold paper wealth for the few, and the kind of financial crises we shall be hearing a lot about in the course of this conference. If income is redistributed towards the bottom 80 percent of society, it will be used for consumption and consequently benefit employment. If wealth is redistributed towards the top, where people already have most of the things they need, it will go not into the local or national economy but to international stockmarkets.

As you are all aware, the same policies have been carried out throughout the South and East under the guise of structural adjustment, which is merely another name for neo-liberalism. I've used Thatcher and Reagan to illustrate the policies at the national level. At the international level, neo-liberals have concentrated all their efforts on three fundamental points:

free trade in goods and services
free circulation of capital
freedom of investment

Over the past twenty years, the IMF has been strengthened enormously. Thanks to the debt crisis and the mechanism of conditionality, it has moved from balance of payments support to being quasi-universal dictator of so-called "sound" economic policies, meaning of course neo-liberal ones. The World Trade Organisation was finally put in place in January 1995 after long and laborious negotiations, often rammed through parliaments which had little idea what they were ratifying. Thankfully, the most recent effort to make binding and universal neo-liberal rules, the Multilateral Agreement on Investment, has failed, at least temporarily. It would have given all rights to corporations, all obligations to governments and no rights at all to citizens.

The common denominator of these institutions is their lack of transparency and democratic accountability. This is the essence of neo-liberalism. It claims that the economy should dictate its rules to society, not the other way around. Democracy is an encumbrance, neo-liberalism is designed for winners, not for voters who, necessarily encompass the categories of both winners and losers.

I'd like to conclude by asking you to take very seriously indeed the neo-liberal definition of the loser, to whom nothing in particular is owed. Anyone can be ejected from the system at any time--because of illness, age, pregnancy, perceived failure, or simply because economic circumstances and the relentless transfer of wealth from top to bottom demand it. Shareholder value is all. Recently the International Herald Tribune reported that foreign investors are "snapping up" Thai and Korean companies and Banks. Not surprisingly, these purchases are expected to result in "heavy layoffs".

In other words, the results of years of work by thousands of Thais and Koreans is being transferred into foreign corporate hands. Many of those who laboured to create that wealth have already been, or soon will be left on the pavement. Under the principles of competition and maximising shareholder value, such behaviour is seen not as criminally unjust but as normal and indeed virtuous.

I submit that neo-liberalism has changed the fundamental nature of politics. Politics used to be primarily about who ruled whom and who got what share of the pie. Aspects of both these central questions remain, of course, but the great new central question of politics is, in my view, "Who has a right to live and who does not". Radical exclusion is now the order of the day, I mean this deadly seriously.

I've given you rather a lot of bad news because the history of the past 20 years is full of it. But I don't want to end on such a depressing and pessimistic note. A lot is already happening to counter these life-threatening trends and there is enormous scope for further action.

This conference is going to help define much of that action which I believe must include an ideological offensive. It's time we set the agenda instead of letting the Masters of the Universe set it at Davos. I hope funders may also understand that they should not be funding just projects but also ideas. We can't count on the neo-liberals to do it, so we need to design workable and equitable international taxation systems, including a Tobin Tax on all monetary and financial market transactions and taxes on Transnational Corporation sales on a pro-rata basis. I expect we will go into detail on such questions in the workshops here. The proceeds of an international tax system should go to closing the North-South gap and to redistribution to all the people who have been robbed over the past twenty years.

Let me repeat what I said earlier: neo-liberalism is not the natural human condition, it is not supernatural, it can be challenged and replaced because its own failures will require this. We have to be ready with replacement policies which restore power to communities and democratic States while working to institute democracy, the rule of law and fair distribution at the international level. Business and the market have their place, but this place cannot occupy the entire sphere of human existence.

Further good news is that there is plenty of money sloshing around out there and a tiny fraction, a ridiculous, infinitesimal proportion of it would be enough to provide a decent life to every person on earth, to supply universal health and education, to clean up the environment and prevent further destruction to the planet, to close the North-South gap--at least according to the UNDP which calls for a paltry $40 billion a year. That, frankly, is peanuts.

Finally, please remember that neo-liberalism may be insatiable but it is not invulnerable. A coalition of international activists only yesterday obliged them to abandon, at least temporarily, their project to liberalise all investment through the MAI. The surprise victory of its opponents infuriated the supporters of corporate rule and demonstrates that well organised network guerillas can win battles. Now we have to regroup our forces and keep at them so that they cannot transfer the MAI to the WTO.

Look at it this way. We have the numbers on our side, because there are far more losers than winners in the neo-liberal game. We have the ideas, whereas theirs are finally coming into question because of repeated crisis. What we lack, so far, is the organisation and the unity which in this age of advanced technology we can overcome. The threat is clearly transnational so the response must also be transnational. Solidarity no longer means aid, or not just aid, but finding the hidden synergies in each other's struggles so that our numerical force and the power of our ideas become overwhelming. I'm convinced this conference will contribute mightily to this goal and I thank you all for your kind attention.
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Globalization and the American Dream
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Globalization and the Downsizing of the American Dream
by Kevin Danaher

Just about every day we hear something about globalization. The mass media give us the impression that the impersonal forces of the "free market" are knitting together the peoples of the world into a seamless quilt. We are led to believe that things will steadily get better if we can just keep governments from meddling with the market forces that lead to more growth and efficiency.

Yet we also know that jobs are being lost to global competition. We know that the global environment is being threatened on a number of fronts, from global warming and the deterioration of the ozone layer to the extermination of species and the poisoning of the world's water supply. We see refugees and immigrants by the millions roaming the planet, in search of jobs and protection from armed conflict. We also know that inequality is getting worse: fewer and fewer large corporations own more of the world's productive resources while millions of people are unable to sustain their families. Many of us have a gut feeling that the global economy has gone awry. We would do well to trust our feelings. This booklet addresses this crucial issue: how the globalization of the economy undermines the quality of life in the United States. The decline in our standard of living can be seen in numerous areas:

As U.S. corporations have expanded their global reach they are better able to put the U.S. workforce in direct competition with foreign workers, thus increasing their profits while driving down our wages and general standard of living.
Global corporations are better able to use technology to downsize their workforces, thus creating anxiety among working people who no longer feel secure about the future of their jobs.

As global corporations become less dependent on any particular nation, they have less interest in supporting any government with taxes. This results in a shrinking tax base and what is referred to as a "fiscal crisis of the state" (the tendency for government expenses to outrace revenues).

By using the rationale of "global competition" to drive down the living standards of the majority, the corporate class has shifted more and more wealth from our pockets to theirs. This growing inequality is producing resentment and rebellion-here and abroad.

Yet all is not gloom and doom. The globalization of finance, production and trade is being followed by the globalization of grassroots democracy. Individuals and grassroots groups are gradually building an alternative society guided by social justice and environmental sustainability rather than by greed. We conclude with ways for you to get involved in this movement to construct alternatives to top-down globalization.

Do We Want Just a Market, or a Just Market?

When the U.S. came out of World War II as the dominant industrial country, it was logical that the dollar would become the global currency, that U.S.-based corporations would dominate world markets, and that the U.S. would have the strongest hand in shaping global institutions such as the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. This dominance allowed U.S. transnational corporations to expand to gigantic proportions. Many of the Fortune 500 companies now have annual revenues larger than the gross national product of most Third World countries, and even larger than the GNP of industrial countries such as Finland, Denmark and Norway.

The global reach of large corporations has disconnected them from national needs and desires. Business Week points out that "As cross-border trade and investment flows reach new heights, big global companies are effectively making decisions with little regard to national boundaries. Though few companies are totally untethered from their home countries, the trend toward a form of 'stateless' corporation is unmistakable.

As corporations have developed their ability to tap into a huge global labor pool, they have less need for the social welfare policies of any particular nation. Global companies may want various kinds of subsidies from the government, but when it comes to government regulations that could allow the people to exert control over big business, corporate ideology preaches "free trade," deregulation and the downsizing of government. The possibility of a truly democratic government is the most serious threat to the power of large corporations-so government must be dismantled!

With a global labor pool at their disposal, transnational corporations are less dependent on any particular national workforce. The facts show that in recent decades U.S. corporations have been cutting jobs here while expanding employment abroad. And the percentage of their total profits that derive from overseas operations has been rising sharply.

The old dictum, "What's good for General Motors is good for America" has a hollow ring in an age of globalization and corporate downsizing. After laying off more than 70,000 workers since 1993, General Motors now ranks as the wealthiest U.S. corporation, raking in more than $168 billion in revenues in 1995 alone-that's equal to the annual wages of more than 19 million Americans earning the minimum wage.

The increasing globalization of U.S. corporations gives them the leverage to hold down wages and resist unionization. Average real wages (corrected for inflation) have been falling since the early 1970s. By 1992, average weekly earnings in the private, non-agricultural part of the U.S. economy were 19 percent below their peak in the early 1970s. Nearly one-fourth of the U.S. workforce now earns less in real terms than the 1968 minimum wage! The trend toward less unionization is evident in the third graph below, which shows a steady decline in union membership since the 1950s. This is a chicken-and-egg relationship because weaker unions are less able to restrict corporate behavior and the resulting freedom of action for global corporations means unions will be weakened further by companies putting their workers here in competition with low-paid workers abroad.

Working People Feel Insecure

The restructuring of our political and economic life due to globalization may be as significant a process as the industrial revolution. In early 1996 the mainstream media- incited by the rhetoric of Republican presidential candidate Pat Buchanan-focused an unusual amount of attention on the plight of U.S. workers in a globalizing economy. As the New York Times editorialized on February 25, 1996: "voters are clearly unnerved by corporate restructurings and the search for cheaper labor overseas." The Times went on to point out that "between 1991 and 1995, nearly 2.5 million Americans had lost their jobs because of corporate restructuring" and these job losses occurred "as the top pay for corporate executives has soared to nearly 200 times that of the average worker."

The February 26, 1996 issue of Newsweek ran a blaring cover story on corporate downsizing entitled "Corporate Killers." The piece was blunt in its criticism of corporate insensitivity: "Something is plain wrong when stock prices keep rising on Wall Street while Main Street is littered with the bodies of workers discarded by big companies like AT&T and Chase Manhattan and Scott Paper. Once upon a time, it was a mark of shame to fire your workers en masse. Today, the more people a company fires, the more Wall Street loves it, and the higher its stock price goes."

One would expect nicer behavior from the corporate chieftains who run our economy. Over the last 15 years transnational corporations have gotten basically everything they wanted: the collapse of communism, free trade agreements, deregulation, lower taxes, the weakening of trade unions and the pushing down of wage rates. Yet while profits and the stock market soar, the standard of living for most Americans is plummeting. There is a dangerous dynamic at work. In an effort to cut costs and boost profits, AT&T announced in September 1995 that they were laying off 40,000 workers. The company's share price on Wall Street immediately jumped higher. Because the salaries of top AT&T executives are partly made up of share ownership, the executives are personally benefiting from the suffering of thousands of dislocated families.

Technology Turned Against Us

Amid the media hype about job losses due to corporate downsizing, a key fact was ignored: a large part of the unemployment afflicting our country is due to a centuries-old drive by companies to replace workers with technology.

Top management sees technology as a way to dump workers-who make demands and question authority-and replace them with machines, which have not been known to form unions.

The trend is evident when you consider that employment in the U.S. manufacturing sector has declined over the past 30 years from 33 percent of the total workforce to less than 17 percent, even though our manufacturing sector has steadily increased output. As this trend continues we will see the elimination of most U.S. manufacturing jobs.

Contrary to what we've been told, the service sector (telecommunications, banking, insurance, real estate, retail and wholesale trade) will not replace the jobs lost in the manufacturing sector. First, the pay tends to be lower in the service sector. And second, technology is also replacing workers in the service sector. Whole layers of white collar office workers are being replaced by small, highly skilled teams using the latest computer technology. Thousands of postal workers have been made redundant by optical scanners and computerization. Between 1983 and 1993 banks in the U.S. replaced 179,000 human tellers with automated teller machines, and even more bank employees will be cut in years to come. It's not that technology is bad, but when technological innovation is used to get rid of workers, with no systematic program to create meaningful replacement jobs, the result is widespread insecurity that saps worker morale. Is it just a coincidence that the U.S. Postal Service has imposed years of high-tech speedup on its workers-thus boosting profits to record levels-yet is also notorious for its workers being among the most severely alienated in the world?

Our government hides unemployment by defining it away. The common sense definition of unemployment-people wanting a job but unable to get one-puts the number of unemployed in 1994 at 15.9 million, or 12.5 percent of the workforce. The official rate (6.1% in 1994) is reached by not counting the 6 million workers who want jobs but are so discouraged they've stopped looking, and counts as fully employed some 30 million who are only working part-time.

Although employers may no longer need us as workers, they do need us as consumers. As a recently laid-off veteran of Bendix Corp. put it: "If they had their way, management would have robots doing everything in the plant, but they forget that robots don't buy anything." If each individual corporation stays focused on climbing the profit ladder in an increasingly global marketplace, it will shed workers for any reason that makes the company more profitable. At the micro-economic level of the company this makes sense. But when all these micro-economic decisions to cut workers are added up, the macro-economic impact is stagnation and all the social ills that go with it.

The Casino Economy

Another key dynamic of the globalized economy is the massive shift of capital from productive investment in the "real economy" to speculative investment in the "casino economy."

It's quite logical. If you have a few million dollars to invest, there are two basic approaches you can take. You could invest in the real economy by building a factory to make bread or shoes or some other product or service that meets a human need. On the other hand, you could invest your money in paper assets: stocks, bonds, mutual funds or a wide range of financial instruments that may not create many jobs or useful products but they do pay you a good rate of interest without all the bother of investing directly in production. Also, these speculative investments tend to be more liquid (able to be converted to cash) than investments in the real economy.

In recent years we have seen explosive growth in a new form of financial speculation: the "derivatives" market that is even one more step removed from the real economy. These investments 'derive' their value from underlying assets such as stocks, bonds or currencies, but they are merely bets as to whether the value of the underlying asset will rise or fall over a given period of time. So you might bet that the Japanese yen will fall over the next 6 months relative to Thailand's currency, the bhat. There are an endless variety of derivatives, designed merely to help investors hedge against risk, not to produce anything real. To see how important the derivatives market has become, compare it to global trade in real goods. The annual value of global merchandise trade is about $4 trillion. The global derivatives market equals this dollar volume of transactions in just two days! The globalization of capital markets and the shift of investments from the real economy to the casino economy has weakened the power of government to control national economies and protect people's jobs. Washington and other national governments are held hostage by the mobility of globalized capital. Companies can threaten to move out when confronted with higher taxes or stiffer environmental regulations.

Bankrupting Our Government

As less workers are gainfully employed, income tax revenue to the government dries up at the same time as the demand for government services such as unemployment insurance and food stamps increases.

The squeeze between declining government income and increasing government expenses has produced record budget deficits and an expanding mountain of government debt. Federal government debt stood at $4.9 trillion in early 1996. The interest we pay to the owners of that debt ($232 billion in 1995) is now one of our largest federal budget expenditures: without this expenditure, there would be no budget deficit. During the 1990s, we the taxpayers will transfer more than $2 trillion to the wealthy fewÑhere and abroadÑ who own the Treasury bills that make up the national debt.

In the heated debate over the federal budget, Congress and the media have focused our attention on the spending side of the ledger. But the other sideÑrevenue coming into the governmentÑis just as important. Conservatives have convinced many Americans that excessive spending on social programs is the key reason for the fiscal crisis of the state. Yet a more crucial problem is that the wealthy corporations that dominate our government and our social values are able to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.

Both major political parties are uncritical supporters of the "free market" and globalization of the economy. Yet this very process of increasing economic gigantism is behind the budget crisis and the long-term insolvency of our government. As corporations have grown in size they have expanded their capacity for lobbying our elected leaders to reduce corporate taxes and remove restrictions on the international movement of commodities and money. Plus, innovations in computers and telecommunications allow financiers to move billions of dollars around the world instantly, making it more difficult for governments to monitor and tax international transactions.

As the corporate share of the tax load was cut, who picked up the slack? A big portion was shifted to working people. In the early 1950s, corporations paid 76 cents in taxes for every one dollar paid by families and individuals. By 1992 corporations were paying just 21 cents for every one dollar in taxes paid by families and individuals.

The World's Biggest Debtor

Not all of the tax load could be pushed onto the current generation of workers. Some of it was financed through deficit spending: issuing government bonds to borrow from the capital marketsÑin other words, taxing our children and grandchildren.

It is odd that the Republicans have made a big issue of the deficit and the national debt, seeing as it was Republican presidents (Reagan and Bush) who created the record deficits that produced most of the national debt. When Ronald Reagan took office on January 20, 1981 the national debt was under $1 trillion. By the end of the Bush administration, on January 20, 1993, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion. The interest we taxpayers fork over to bondholders on this additional $3 trillion in debt (figuring at an average of 7 percent) comes to $210 billion: far more than the current budget deficit of $172 billion. If Reagan and Bush hadn't splurged on the military while giving huge tax breaks to their corporate backers, there would be no budget deficit.

One of the long-term effects of budget deficits and skyrocketing debt is a large transfer of wealth upward in the class structure of our country. During the 1980s, the U.S. taxpayer transferred $1.1 trillion in interest payments to the wealthy corporations and individuals who own the national debt. In the 1990s some $2 trillion will be redistributed upward on the social ladder via interest payments on the national debt.

Is the U.S. Becoming a Third World Country?

Just to review, a combination of factorsÑU.S. companies moving jobs abroad, thousands of workers being replaced by technology, the weakening of the U.S. trade union movement, changes in tax legislation to favor wealthier taxpayersÑhave produced a widening gap between a wealthy elite and the majority of Americans. Business Week reports: "The gap between high- and low-income families has widened steadily since about 1980, hitting a new high every year since 1985."

Growth is not a panacea. "Between 1977 and 1989 the 1 percent of families with incomes over $350,000 received 72 percent of the country's income gains while the bottom 60 percent lost ground." A key reason for the decline in the majority's income share has been the steady fall in real wages. In 1992, average weekly earnings in the private, non-agricultural part of the U.S. economy were 19 percent below their peak in the early 1970s. Nearly one-fourth of the U.S. workforce now earns less in real terms than the 1968 minimum wage! Add another 5-10 percent of the population who have no jobs at all, and you've got a significant portion of the population living in poverty. Hence Newsweek's conclusion that "millions of Americans believe they're being screwed by corporate America and Wall Street."

Yet corporate profits and the salaries of top management have soared. Corporate profits are up 40 percent since 1993, and, as Business Week reported, the average pay of Chief Executive Officers at the 362 largest companies in the U.S. jumped 30 percent during 1995 to an average of $3,746,392.

The sharp growth in inequality caused U.S. Secretary of Labor Robert Reich to warn: "We have the most unequal distribution of income of any industrial nation in the world ... we can't be a prosperous or stable society with a huge gap between the very rich and everyone else." But data on income is not the best indicator of inequality. Wealth measured by ownershipÑstocks, bonds, savings accounts, real estateÑis a far better measure of real power in society.

A 1995 study by the Twentieth Century Fund shows that since the late 1970s wealth inequality in the U.S. has been increasing. By the 1990s, the richest one percent of Americans owned twice as much wealth as the poorest 80 percent!

Contrary to what the Republicans have been preaching, it is not big government that is undermining Mainstreet, USA. Rather, mainstreet is being undermined by the fact that our government is dominated by monied interestsÑand those monied interests are increasingly global, owing no allegiance to any particular country.

What can we do about it? Plenty!

Building an Alternative

As Tom Athanasiou says in his excellent book, Divided Planet: "Our tragedy lies in the richness of the available alternatives, and in the fact that so few of them are ever seriously explored."

The technical means exist for feeding, housing and educating all the people on earth: it's mainly a matter of developing the political will to build a sustainable and equitable world economy. The goods news is that there are thousands of groups struggling to create more democratic control of the capitol and the capital. What needs to be done?

Check out these resources:

Ten Ways to Democratize the Global Economy will give you plenty of ideas and concrete ways to get involved in the struggle to make our economy more democratic.

Like getting involved with the struggle for Fair Trade, a movement to ensure that everything from the gifts we buy our loved ones to the coffee we drink in the morning is made in ways that benefit local communities.
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112. 10 Ways to Democratize the Global Economy
10 Ways to Democratize the Global Economy
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/rulemakers/TenWaysToDemocratize.html

Citizens can and should play an active role in shaping the future of our global economy. Here are some of the ways in which we can work together to reform global trade rules, demand that corporations are accountable to people's needs, build strong and free labor and promote fair and environmentally sustainable alternatives.

1. No Globalization without Representation

Multilateral institutions such as the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund create global policy with input mainly from multinational corporations and very little input from grassroots citizens groups. We need to ensure that all global citizens must be democratically represented in the formulation, implementation, and evaluation of all global social and economic policies of the WTO, the IMF, and the WB. The WTO must immediately halt all meetings and negotiations in order for a full, fair, and public assessment to be conducted of the impacts of the WTO's policies to date. The WTO must be replaced by a body that is fully democratic, transparent, and accountable to citizens of the entire world instead of to corporations. We must build support for trade policies that protect workers, human rights, and the environment.

2. Mandate Corporate Accountability

Corporations have so heavily influenced global trade negotiations that they now have rights and representation greater than individual citizens and even governments. Under the guise of 'free trade' they advocate weakening of labor and environmental laws -- a global economy of sweatshops and environmental devastation. Corporations must be subject to the people's will; they should have to prove their worth to society or be dismantled. Corporations must be accountable to public needs, be open to public scrutiny, provide living wage jobs, abide by all environmental and labor regulations, and be subject to all laws governing them. Shareholder activism is an excellent tool for challenging corporate behavior.

3. Restructure the Global Financial Architecture

Currency speculation and the derivatives market move over $1.5 trillion daily (compared to world trade of $6 trillion annually), earning short-term profits for wealthy investors at the expense of long-term development. Many countries are beginning to implement 'capital controls' in order to regulate the influence foreign capital, and grassroots groups are advocating the restructuring and regulation of the global financial architecture. Citizens can pass local city resolutions for the Tobin Tax - a tax of .1% to .25% on currency transactions which would provide a disincentive for speculation but not affect real capital investment, and create a huge fund for building schools & clinics throughout the world.

4. Cancel all Debt, End Structural Adjustment and Defend Economic Sovereignty

Debt is crushing most poor countries' ability to develop as they spend huge amounts of their resources servicing odious debt rather than serving the needs of their populations. Structural adjustment is the tool promoted by the IMF and World Bank to keep countries on schedule with debt payments, with programs promoting export-led development at the expense of social needs. There is an international movement demanding that all debt be cancelled in the year 2000 in order for countries to prioritize health care, education, and real development. Countries must have the autonomy to pursue their own economic plans, including prioritizing social needs over the needs of multinational corporations.

5. Prioritize Human Rights - Including Economic Rights - in Trade Agreements

The United Nations must be the strongest multilateral body - not the WTO. The US must ratify all international conventions on social and political rights. Trade rules must comply with higher laws on human rights as well as economic and labor rights included in the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. We should promote alternative trade agreements that include fair trade, debt cancellation, micro-credit, and local control over development policies.

6. Promote Sustainable Development - Not Consumption - as the Key to Progress

Global trade and investment should not be ends in themselves, but rather the instruments for achieving equitable and sustainable development, including protection for workers and the environment. Global trade agreements should not undermine the ability of each nation, state or local community to meet its citizens' social, environmental, cultural or economic needs. International development should not be export-driven, but rather should prioritize food security, sustainability, and democratic participation.

7. Integrate Womens' Needs in All Economic Restructuring

Women make up half the world but hold less than 5% of positions of power in determining global economic policy, and own an estimated 1% of global property. Family survival around the world depends on the economic independence of women. Economic policies need to take into account women's important role in nutrition, education, and development. This includes access to family planning as well as education, credit, job training, policy decision-making, and other needs.

8. Build Free and Strong Labor Unions Internationally and Domestically

As trade becomes more 'free,' labor unions are still restricted from organizing in most countries. The International Labor Organization should have the same enforcement power as the WTO. The US should ratify ILO conventions and set an example in terms of enforcing workers' rights to organize and bargain collectively. As corporations increase their multinational strength, unions are working to build bridges across borders and organize globally. Activists can support their efforts and ensure that free labor is an essential component of any 'free trade' agreements.

9. Develop Community Control Over Capital; Promote Socially Responsible Investment

Local communities should not be beholden to the IMF, international capital, multinational corporations, or any other non-local body for policy. Communities should be able to develop investment and development programs that suit local needs including passing anti-sweatshop purchasing restrictions, promoting local credit unions and local barter currency, and implementing investment policies for their city, church, and union that reflect social responsibility criteria.

10. Promote Fair Trade Not Free Trade

While we work to reform 'free trade' institutions and keep corporate chain stores out of our neighborhoods, we should also promote our own vision of Fair Trade. We need to build networks of support and education for grassroots trade and trade in environmentally sustainable goods. We can promote labeling of goods such as Fair Trade Certified, organic, and sustainably harvested. We can purchase locally made goods and locally grown foods that support local economies and cooperative forms of production and trade.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:07 PM
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115. Falling Flat: Thomas Friedman's recycled view of globalization.
Falling Flat: Thomas Friedman's recycled view of globalization.
By Kevin Drum
Critics have accused Tom Friedman before of being willfully obtuse, but give him this much credit: He does not actually believe that the world is topographically flat. Friedman lives his literary life in a world of endless metaphor, and in his latest book he uses “flat” in the sense of “level playing field.” His thesis is that a broad set of related trends have converged in the past decade, and this convergence allows almost anyone to do almost anything these days. Indians in Bangalore can write software as well as Americans in Baltimore; small companies can do the same things big ones can; freelancers can compete with IBM, and so forth.

If this sounds familiar, it's because it is. Despite the fact that Friedman claims to have discovered many of these trends only recently (about which more later), The World is Flat is really a sequel: It's The Lexus and the Olive Tree on steroids. A friend of mine once referred to Lexus as “globalization porn,” and World is written in the same mold. It's Friedman as evangelist to the masses, bringing an almost breathless sense of urgency and mission to his calling.

The core of the book is a long chapter about “ten flatteners,” 10 trends that he thinks are changing the world. It's an odd grouping, though, and it's hard to tell if some of his flatteners are there because he really believes in them or merely because he thought his list needed 10 entries.

His first two flatteners, for example, are the end of communism and the rise of the Internet, exemplified respectively by the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the initial public offering of Netscape stock in 1995.

Fair enough. Those really are big trends with big consequences, and a serious popular analysis of them would be a welcome one. But then in the next breath, he lists the open source movement as another major global flattener—something that he presumably believes is roughly on the same level as his first two.

The problem is that this doesn't make sense. “Open source” is a way of developing software. Instead of being developed by large corporations that keep their underlying source code proprietary and secret, open source software is developed by loose teams of engineers who donate their time gratis. The resulting product is distributed freely over the Internet and the source code is openly available to anyone who wants to use it. Linux is the best known example. The Firefox browser is another.

But open source is something of a cult movement, born from the same roots as the “information wants to be free” Internet utopians—and while open source has had several successes in the past and will likely have more in the future, even its most ardent fans would be hard-pressed to keep a straight face while putting it on the same list that includes the century-long ideological battle between capitalism and communism.

This is what makes it hard to take Friedman seriously. Sure, his list includes plenty of genuinely important trends. The fall of communism and the rise of the Web are important, and so are the growing roles of China, India, and wireless communication.

But open source isn't even in the same league. Neither is Wal-Mart's supply-chain management or the fact that UPS has branched out into businesses beyond shipping packages.

What's worse, Friedman as much as admits that he was unaware of many of these things until a few months before he began writing the book. About the core convergence of trends that's the cornerstone of his book, he says, “Until I visited India in early 2004, I too was largely ignorant of it, although I was picking up a few hints that something was brewing.”

This lends his venture a sense of shallowness and ahistoricity that it never overcomes. Because he doesn't have a deep understanding of the trends he's talking about (most are illustrated by a single big example, like Google or Wal-Mart), he seemingly doesn't realize that a similar list could have been written in pretty much any decade of the 20th century. His point about globalization could have been made 40 years ago by substituting Japan for China, Telstar for wireless communication, and mainframe computers for PCs.

The book also suffers from one of the worst features of The Lexus and the Olive Tree: its naïve dotcom cheerleading. Depending on how you count, seven of his 10 flatteners are tech trends, and although he takes care in World to warn his readers that the success of globalization doesn't depend on the success of the dotcom revolution, he undermines that warning by spending almost the entire book evangelizing technology. He reprints entire PR messages from eager CEOs without any apparent sense that of course these guys think their companies are doing world- shaking things. I spent the decade of the 90s as a marketing executive at a software company, and these kinds of breathless paeans are sadly familiar to me.

But Friedman remains resolutely credulous in the face of these gales of corporate spin, and in the end, his corporate triumphalism becomes an idée fixe. Everything that matters is forcibly shoehorned into his tech-driven globalized future. Terrorism? Mostly important because it might slow down globalization. Nationalism? Slowly disappearing thanks to globalization. Energy? Mentioned in passing only as a problem keeping countries like Saudi Arabia from embracing globalization. None of these issues, or half a dozen others of equal importance, is seriously addressed in his book. If it can't be illustrated by an anecdote or a potted sketch of a company he admires, it doesn't seem to exist.

Instead we get stuff like this:

In the coming phase of Web services-work flow, here is how you will make an appointment. Your computer will automatically check your calendar against the available dates on your dentist's calendar and offer you three choices. You will click on the preferred date and hour. The week before your appointment, your dentist's calendar will automatically send you an e-mail reminding you of the appointment. The night before, you will get a computer-generated voice message by phone, also reminding you of your appointment.

This wouldn't have passed muster in a 1953 issue of Popular Science. If anything, it trivializes an important tech trend—smart agents—by putting it in the service of something that we can already do today in less than a minute or two. If this is what computers are going to do for us in the future, who needs them?

There are other annoying feature of Lexus that return for encores in World, too. Friedman's tin ear for phrases like “globalization 3.0” and “compassionate flatism” is one. His hagiography of his subjects is another. Every CEO he talks to is brilliant, insightful, and far seeing. Raising his own everyday experiences to the level of epiphany is yet another. He figures out one day that Southwest Airlines allows you to print a boarding pass on your computer, and it immediately becomes a strained metaphor for a global convergence of technology and human psychology. The chairman of Starbucks tells him they offer soy milk because their customers asked for it, and he presents this mundane act of satisfying customer demand as something new and visionary.

What makes all this so frustrating is that it doesn't have to be this way. Friedman is a smart guy, a good reporter, and he knows better. In fact, his best writing—both in World and in Lexus—comes when he acknowledges the problems of globalization. In World, for example, he has a fine chapter about what he calls the “quiet crisis,” a phrase he takes from Shirley Ann Jackson, president of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. Americans, he argues persuasively, are training too few high- quality scientists and engineers, are complacent about their place in the world, and are unwilling to seriously address educational issues today that will determine America's place in the world 20 or 30 years from now. And not only are we not motivating our own kids to earn the Ph.Ds we need to stay ahead, we're increasingly allowing fear of terrorism to close the door to foreigners who want to study here as well. Eventually, when the smartest people in the world are no longer Americans, America will no longer have a competitive advantage. For us, this is the soft underbelly of globalization.

There are broader downsides to globalization too, but although Friedman managed to write tellingly about them in Lexus, they are addressed only briefly and with little passion in World. In fact, he reprises one of his pet theories from Lexus, the “Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention,” which states that no two countries that both have a McDonald's will ever go to war with each other. In World, it becomes the “Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention”: No two countries that are both part of a major global supply chain like Dell's will ever fight a war against each other.

What's startling about this isn't the theory itself, but Friedman's admission that he didn't even start thinking about it until the late 1990s. After all, this is an idea with a long pedigree. Scholars have noted for decades that liberal democracies almost never go to war with each other, and as far back as 1910 Norman Angell famously—and with famously poor timing—wrote that the spread of mercantile interconnections had made conflict so irrational that large-scale war was henceforth futile. He had logic on his side, but that didn't stop large-scale war.

But whether Angell was wrong or just premature, Friedman doesn't address the issue even in passing. He simply writes as if this were a brand new insight of his own. Is this because he really thinks it is? Or because he figures his readers aren't interested in long dead history? There's no telling. But for readers who are familiar with this history, Friedman's lack of curiosity about it—in a field he's so obviously enthusiastic about—makes it hard to take him seriously.

It's unclear why Friedman seemingly ignores the rich literature available about globalization, satisfying himself instead solely with his own brief interviews with politicians and corporate chieftans. In the end, it's not so much that Friedman is wrong about the importance of globalization and connectedness—he's not—it's that without that broader perspective, his writing is shallow and forgettable. He's playing Chopsticks on a Steinway.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:13 PM
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117. How I was wrong about Thomas Friedman
How I Was Wrong About Thomas Friedman
by Norman Solomon

Last week my column was a parody of how Thomas Friedman writes about the global economy. Since then, I've learned that I was in error on a matter that shines some light on the worldview of the syndicated New York Times columnist and best-selling author.

"Let's face it -- at this point I'm a rich guy, and I work for a newspaper run by guys who are even richer than I am," the satirical version of Friedman said in my article. But actually, Friedman is not just "a rich guy."

...

Friedman's great wealth is a frame for his window on the world. The Washingtonian reports that "his annual income easily reaches seven figures." In the Maryland suburbs near Washington, three years ago, "the Friedmans built a palatial 11,400-square-foot house, now valued at $9.3 million," on a parcel of more than seven acres near Bethesda Country Club and the Beltway.

...

Does Friedman's astronomical wealth invalidate what he writes? Of course not. But information about the extent of his wealth -- while not disclosed to readers of his columns and books -- provides context for how he is accustomed to moving through the world. And his outsized economic privileges become especially relevant when we consider that he's inclined to be glib and even flip as he advocates policies that give very low priority to reducing economic inequality.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1030-25.htm
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:54 PM
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126. lol. he's a rich moron.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:37 PM
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3. He makes a compelling case for protectionism
Is that his intent?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:40 PM
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4. And I wonder what Mr. Otellini's position on H1-B quotas is . . . .
Call me crazy, but until all these IT executives start hiring Americans rather than importing cheap help, they can STFU about how badly we need to improve education and prepare the "next generation of scientific talent" and all that shit.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:04 PM
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7. And until you have that education, they'll hire elsewhere.
It's a vicious circle.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:11 PM
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9. Wow, Who knew that there aren't tens of thousands of qualified, educated Americans
able to fill high-tech positions -- positions they lost to Indian and Chinese replacements who they also had to train?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:16 PM
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13. Apparently not.
Feb 26, 2007

Why Can't Programmers.. Program?
I was incredulous when I read this observation from Reginald Braithwaite:


Like me, the author is having trouble with the fact that 199 out of 200 applicants for every programming job can't write code at all. I repeat: they can't write any code whatsoever.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/02/why-cant-programmers-program.html
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:28 PM
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18. yeah, sure... all the guys and gals keeping all americas business running 247365 can't code
roflmfao
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:35 PM
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39. This stuff is someone making assertions....
... I've worked in the industry for decades and I've never run across anyone that stupid.

I don't believe the crap on that site AT ALL.

My company decided recently to hire some new grads into our team. We had no trouble finding qualified people. They haven't started yet, but one thing for sure if they can't perform those simple task they won't last on our team for weeks.

And finally, there is little reason for anyone to be implementing things like linked list or any other collection class - they are provided by the framework, so only a moron would reinvent them or ask anyone else to.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:04 PM
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50. .....
Look Into Their Eyes: These people lost high-tech jobs to low-wage countries. Try telling them that offshoring is a good thing in the long run

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/81/offshore_profiles.html
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:35 PM
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83. She'd look into their eyes and laugh her stupid ass off.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:16 PM
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12. nonsense, it is simply driven by dollars and cents
of course you need the skills to do any particular job, and many have them, but why pay more, when you can pay much, much less.

this is not complicated, it's a race to the bottom.

If americans weren't tech savvy enough, why have most of the biggest global tech companies started up in the past 2 decades been american?

think about it.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:19 PM
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15. Yes, like everything else.
Best skills produce best profits, simple as that.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:22 PM
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16. pfft... and what has that got to do with healthcare? funny how they slipped that in there, eh
he is a sophist for big business, and most know it, simple as that.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:24 PM
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17. It has nothing to do with healthcare,
or wild conspiracies, or your ideology.

Tech will go elsewhere, simple as that.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:30 PM
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20. zactly
so why bring it up? it is a political BS piece, simple as that.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:13 PM
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136. You know NOTHING about a simple income statement.
Profits are produced when you can bring in more money than it costs you to do whatever it is you do to bring in revenue. The tech companies are letting American workers go after they've trained their replacement, with workers who will work for less money because they don't really have a choice in the matter as their visa depends on their continued employment. It's an insidious form of slavery because they know that the imported workers won't demand more, why would they when all the employer has to do is fire, or threaten to fire them and the worker would more than likely have to leave the country. This is something the employer is counting on to keep their newer cheaper workers in line. But I digress. The fact is that the workers who had been replaced trained their replacements so the argument that the newer workers were superior to the workers they replaced is bullshit. They weren't superior in skill set, they were cheaper and thus better for the bottom line because a cheaper worker lowers expenses which by definition increases profit.

I'll make it really easy for you as you don't seem too bright.

R-E=NI If you reduce E then NI increases. The newer workers reduced E thus increased NI for the employers. As the workers had to be trained by the people they replaced it cannot be argued that their skills were superior. Therefore it is the bottom line that the employers were looking at and your argument that the American workers being replaced by superior workers is right wing bullshit.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:03 PM
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135. People HAVE the education here. What they don't have is the desire to be underpaid
for their efforts. Companies bring in people on H1B Visas because they want to get workers in cheaper NOT because there are no American workers with the knowledge and ability to do the work. As per usual you have it exactly ass backwards.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:45 PM
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123. Let's not forget how they undermine US education at every turn.
I've told this tale here several times: Back in 2005, Intel demanded a "Sales Factor Reform" from the Arizona legislature and Governor Napolitano. They claimed they would move a long planned expansion to another state if Arizona didn't reduce its corporate sales tax liability by 95%. They succeeded and it cost our state an estimated $100 million. We could sure use that money right now, since we have the highest per capita deficit in the nation and our schools are facing massive cuts. They've done the same thing in other states where their plants are located. Yet, Otellini and former Intel CEO constantly blubber about how American schools suck and don't turn out enough quality graduates, hence the need for more foreign visas.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:40 AM
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131. Besides, the meat of the essay is about halfway through - another demand for corporate tax cuts
What a surprise!

:eyes:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:30 PM
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19. Friedman is an asshole. n/t
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:38 PM
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21. What's it gonna take, folks?
Everyone on the planet is telling you this. Fellow-Americans are telling you this. Your economy is telling you this.

And instead of listening you're dragging in red herrings, and ranting about conspiracies. :eyes:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:45 PM
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22. It will take somebody with a little more credibility that the "Flat Earther"
and his sycophants like you still clinging to a brain dead economic religion to get us to believe that what you have to say hasn't already been dismissed as bullshit by higher intellectuals like cumquats and turnips.

Oh; yeah. I can do that too.:eyes:
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:52 PM
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23. EVERYone has told you the same thing.
You respond to all of them with brain-dead insults and ideology.

But hey, your country, your problem.



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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:08 PM
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52. "Everyone" has said no such thing.
There's actually one group, and one group only telling us that a very narrow and specific version of "globilization" is the unavoidable way of the future. And that's rich, mostly white, financial elites.

Their vision of globalization is based around their economic vision of globalization, a top-down plunder driven system of rape and pillage of the have-nots for the benefit of the have-everythings.

Now, the rest of the world - a world that's not majority white, that's not majority rich, that's not majority "industrialized" in the western corporatoracy sense - have been telling us something very, very different.

So "everyone" basically means you and some other rich white dipshits talking as global 1 percenters.

I prefer organizations and networks of economists, advocates and community advocates who have a different vision:

http://www.globalexchange.org/

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/index.html

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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:10 PM
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53. Actually they have.
You've just had your fingers in your ears.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:16 PM
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56. In the same way you've had your nose up corporate America's behind?
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 09:17 PM by brentspeak
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:19 PM
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59. I'm Canadian, dude. Pay attention.
And have never had a nickel invested in the US.

I told ya...your ideology is killing you by plugging your ears.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:23 PM
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66. Oh, so you're not from here
And yet you've been maximizing posts here by claiming that you know all about the state of U.S. math and science education, as well as the competence and ability of U.S. workers.

I was wondering why you were so clueless.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:25 PM
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68. Gee, 2 seconds could have told you that.
Anyone in the world can examine the state of US math and science education, and the ability of US workers

Hint: it's why you're having problems.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:23 PM
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65. You are ignoring those who are not saying what you are saying, and then you have the gall
to say I'm the one with the "fingers" in my ears.

Everyone has told us, huh?

Really?

EVERYONE?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:26 PM
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70. No, I'm disagreeing with you.
And yes, Americans have bemoaned the state of their education and technology for years.

In fact there's a lot on this site about it pretty much every day.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:28 PM
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73. Everyone? Really?
See you declined to answer that bit.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:31 PM
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76. Yes, academics, politicians, employers, pundits etc
Googling would save you ever so much time.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:38 PM
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88. ALL academics? ALL politicians? ALL employers? ALL pundits?
Really?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:39 PM
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90. LOL your word, not mine. Puleeze.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:50 PM
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103. No it was your word - you said "EVERYONE"
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 09:52 PM by Political Heretic
Do you stand behind that or not?

Are you saying that literally every expert in the world agrees with YOU?

Really?

EVERY one?

How would you even know that?

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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:55 PM
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108. It's not insults, it's just enough with the "magic of the free markets" bullshit.
And no, there are thoughtful people who know that Friedman is an ideologue and is out to sell something. We didn't wake up yesterday.

I am more than open for ideas, but I'm not into listening to any more of Friedman's self-serviong drivel, or his worship of that other Friedman's economic theories.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:02 PM
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48. Sigh.
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 09:21 PM by Political Heretic
Nevermind. Forget it.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:08 PM
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28. Friedman is quite taken by the Chinese...
He finds the whole democracy thing annoying. He has a new concern each week and the pesky people gum up the works.

At one time Friedman was sort of interesting, but his shtick has gotten really old.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:14 PM
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30. Very fond of Japan and India too.
And they're democracies.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:49 PM
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102. Dunno, I always seem to catch his articles on China..
I mostly read Friedman singing the praises of China. He loves them because they can take decisive action (you know, without the whole democracy thing getting in the way). Though he pays lip service to the fact that taking this decisive action means average Chinese have no say in government policies, he still just fantasizes we could be a dictatorship for awhile so long as what gets done are things he wistfully supports. He generally forgets to mention all the boondoggles authoritarian governments tend produce due to having nothing but "yes" men/women around the decision makers.

Friedman is a "have it both way" mushy, "we gotta get our act together" kinda guy. He rambles on a whole bunch about how he wishes it would be, how he hopes a certain policy will work, but you generally don't come away with the feeling you've learned all that much and you still don't know where he really stands.

The guy can write paragraph after paragraph on any issue, and no matter what happens down the road he can say "see, now I warned about that".

His commentaries are from a moderately smart, intellectually curious guy who really doesn't know what the best solutions are, but he enjoys thinking out loud and putting the blathering that spews forward on paper.

As I said, he has become tiresome. There is just too many more interesting and intellectually consistent people out there worth reading. Hell, I'd rather read posts right here on DU from people I always disagree with, because at least they are straight forward, make their argument and you finish absorbing the post and feel like you may have learned something significant about a particular point of view. In fact, I rarely agree with my favorite posters here, but they are the ones that keep my coming back.


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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:36 PM
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40. Friedman is a mouthpiece for the "race to the bottom" philosophy.
Companies don't go overseas because of higher caliber scientific or technological minds. They go overseas because they are intent on getting the cheapest labor that is still barely qualified to do the job. If Chinese or Indian workers were demanding wages comparable to American workers can anyone honestly say these corporations would be outsourcing to those countries? The "America is falling behind" line is a load of shit designed to legitimize corporate outsourcing.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:48 PM
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41. Actually he's trying to push America to the top.
Only Americans on here would rather listen to ideology, than pay attention to what's necessary to do so.

You aren't competing with somebody across town anymore, or even somebody across the country. You are competing with the world.

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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:48 PM
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122. What a load of shit
He's not trying to push us to the top. He's trying to put a smiling face on forcing workers to race to the bottom. These corporations aren't rushing to India and China because they have better technology or skills. They are rushing there because they have cheap labor and the US isn't smart enough to protect itself.

The only way to "compete" is for US workers to lower their standards of living and accept wages far lower than they currently make.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:54 PM
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43. He is a fucking douchebag. There are alternatives to corporate-driven globalization.
Yet another elitist telling us that we simply must accept global corporate rule. Top-down global dominance is one option favored by friedman and other gatekeeping assholes. Bottom-up global organizing is another option.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 08:57 PM
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45. Globalization isn't corporate driven.
All our current problems are global...the financial crisis, climate change, terrorism, drugs, war etc...and they all require global solutions.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:01 PM
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47. It absolutely is.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:20 PM
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60. Its demonstratable fact. It's not even a conspiracy. Hell no one but you even tries to deny it.
"Globalization" as a term usually doesn't refer to the need to work together on climate change, or security, or whatever. It refers to one thing very specifically: Global economy.

Those pushing a neo-liberal vision of global economics, and delivering the propaganda that such a globalized economy is the one and only inevitable way things simply must be - the voices behind this effort overwhelming reflect the interests of the financial elite. Corporations drove the agenda of NAFTA, of CAFTA, they drive the agenda of free trade around the world. They drive the agenda of the IMF and World Bank, and its mafia-style lending practices to poor countries with repayment conditions that include favorable options for massive corporations such as Bechtel, Dupont and others.

The global community was working together on all sorts of issues long before the term "globalization" cropped up to refer to the push for a global economy that priorities the wants and whims of the ultra financial elite over the needs of ordinary working people. It is a neo-liberal campaign to push an economic ideology.

This isn't even in any serious dispute by anyone - accept you. No kidding, people who disagree with me simply make arguments for while a neo-liberal globalization is the way to go.

They don't try to deny that one specific vision of economic globalization is being pushed and that it is being pushed by the financial elite over and against the substantial resistance of people on poor and developing countries, and those who would stand with them against their exploitation around the world.

Even Friedman himself does not argue that globalization is not driven by the interests of the financial elite, wall street and the corporations at the heart of it. Seriously have you ever bother to read his book, The Lexus and the Olive Tree? I own it. It's sitting right on my bookshelf right now. Friedman doesn't disagree about what are the prime movers and prime beneficiaries of this particular brand of economic globalization. He just believes that the benefits will "trickle" down to everyone else and be good for them.

Take Greg Palast's The Best Democracy Money Can Buy and his chapter devoted to economic globalization - and specifically Thomas Friedman - and read in in contrast to Friedman. Good comparison.



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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:22 PM
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64. Your definition of globalization, and the actual meaning
of the word are two quite different things.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:26 PM
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69. Call it whatever you want. My definition comes from living long enough to hear it coined.
It is an invented term, invented in much the way I just described.

But if you dispute the way it is being used great. Call it whatever you want, the points still stand.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:27 PM
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71. It was around long before you were born.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:31 PM
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77. Not in this form, no.
economic globalization as a broadly used term was born out of the communications technology boom. It wasn't until we got e-mail and cell phones that "economic globalization" or just "globalization" became coined as a broadly accepted term.

And again, Friedman says exactly this. You say "you've read him" but apparently you missed the parts of the Lexus and the Olive Tree where he defines globalization as global neo-liberal economic transformation...
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:34 PM
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82. Yes in this form.
And yes, of course there is an economic transformation as the world leaves nation-states behind and becomes global financially.

It's what's causing the current economic crisis...200 different countries, with 200 different standards and sets of regulations all bumping into each other.

EVERYTHING is being transformed.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:41 PM
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92. No. But even if the answer was yes, the point still stands.
You can call it whatever you want. You can say the term was used as part of common discourse 200 years before now for all I care.

The points I made about neo-liberal economic globalization stand.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:42 PM
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93. You have no point just paranoia.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:50 PM
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105. Namecalling isn't the sort of "reasoned argument" you called for.
Would you like to address the argument or continue to attack the person?
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:10 PM
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116. !!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:07 PM
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51. The Mustache of Eternal Mixed Metaphor!!!


Did anyone ever tell Thomas Friedman that a spherical earth is far more interconnected than a FLAT one?

Did anyone also tell Thomas Friedman that the United State's corporate masters are about as benevolent as deep-fried Snickers Bars are a healthy snack?

Did anyone ever shout in Thomas Friedman's wedding-cake-man ear that globalization as a means of fairness and prosperity is the single-largest con job pulled on the American worker since Reaganomics and Horatio Alger?

Did anyone ever stop and sit Thomas Friedman down and let him in on a little secret - that his neo-lib strategy only works when one group cannot DO the same thing as the other group?

Did anyone ever tell Thomas Friedman that offshoring DIDN'T produce the vaunted wave of better-paying, degree-required jobs HERE because the issue is COST and not KNOWLEDGE?

And did anyone tell this ridiculous, have-the-last-word troll shitting up this thread that her knowledge of American economics and how corporatists run businesses here couldn't fill a Lipton Iced Tea scoop?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:12 PM
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54. LOL did you ever read Friedman?
Cuz if you did, you didn't understand a word of it.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:18 PM
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58. Obviously you didn't read the post in its entirety
Good to know that you got Friedman's back, clueless to the "kick me" sign affixed on your.


...and what is the deal with that smell?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:23 PM
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67. LOL I've actually read the man.
And what's more I understand plain English.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:32 PM
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78. Jesus Christ on a fucking STICK . . .
What's to get? Thomas Friedman bought into all of the utter booooolshite Indian execs sold him - "Americans better wake up and smell the coffee - innovate or die." "Free Markets" "Devote your lives to your work as we have". Also, to say that the problem rests solely on American schools and lack of motivation to learn math and science (using, in other words, the tired Repuke "blame the worker" canard) is silly and short-sighted.

This ignores the fact that these people have universities, just like we do (they can even use ours). They have the same knowledge as we do. They can attain any degree that we can, and their numbers are far greater. They're only remarkable for their cost. They aren't more talented. They don't work harder. They're simply cheaper. Don't let anyone sell you a line of free market CEO horseshit - this is a zero-sum game all the way, and we will never be the winners.

In previous columns and in his numerous books about the wonders of globalisation, free trade (and, implicitly, offshore outsourcing of American jobs,) Friedman celebrates the movement of industrial and high technology work out of the United States to nations such as India and China. He considers this situation a "win-win" for Americans but he can't point to "21st-century jobs" created in the U.S. for Americans as a consequence of offshore outsourcing. (Sorry Tom, the growing number of low-skilled and low-paying nontradeable services jobs in the U.S. economy are not the "21st-century" jobs you imagine.)

In his books, Friedman noted well-known "American" corporate branded products in use by Indian companies and employees engaged in doing work once performed in the U.S. by American workers. Based upon the simple appearance of some familiar brand names on the products in evidence, Friedman announced in triumph that "American products" were being consumed by Indians - a "win" for American workers.

The truth that Friedman forgot to share or was to ignorant to discern is that the only thing "American" about the products was their brand names; the computers and bottled water used by the Indian offshore workers were likewise made offshore with foreign labor. (Even the "innovative" and "knowledge age" development of the products is increasingly done offshore by non-Americans.)

He fails to either acknowledge or comprehend the fact that the very outsourcing and "free trade" policies he has breathlessly praised are at the core of why Americans cannot compete for the "21st century jobs". The "flattening" of which Friedman speaks is the result of political action -- laws which have enabled American corporations to simultaneously move work offshore while continuing to sell goods and services produced by foreign workers in the U.S. market without restriction. Businesses are able to offshore jobs and pay Third World wages while continuing to sell the goods and services at "American prices".

What OUR are new 21st century careers? Hate to break it to you, but these careers are going to require training. YEARS of training, not months. I need to know NOW what they are and make sure they're stayin' put for a while . . . at least until corporate America ships THAT overseas as well. Until you have something better than the mediocre-paying service industry (like Davy Dreier stupidly espoused in that report of his during the Bewsh years), you're pretty much buyin' into a gamble.

Competition has absolutely NOTHING to do with this problem. If that were the chief reason, why are so many IT/Telecom professionals either out of work or leaving the field entirely? It's all about COST. They're cheap. We're expensive. Well, not really, since the average American income has only risen $2,000 in real dollars since 1970 and we work 80 hours longer. $15-20k per year is a king's ransom over there. Here, it's poverty, even in Arkansas.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #78
87. If you want to play victim, be my guest.
But it won't help your country...or you for that matter.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:43 PM
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97. And if you want to play dumb, be MY guest.
Continue to pant like a lapdog while the corporatists laugh at the successful divide-and-conquer.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:45 PM
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99. You're the ones in the unemployment lines
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:50 PM
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104. I'm currently not. But my fellow humans and fighters in life ARE.
I'd like to see that repaired and corrected, WOULDN'T YOU? Continuing boom/bubble/CRASH economies isn't the way to do that. Neither is destroying one economy to lift another's. The zero net job creation in 10 years is proof positive that neither "Trickle Down" nor "job offshoring" works. It does not work.

I might as well be talking to that wall over there . . . probably more empathetic and reasonable.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:22 PM
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118. Wow. Stunning compassion.
:wtf:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:21 PM
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137. I don't think he/she is playing. n/t
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #137
138. Good point.
A few corners short of a maple leaf.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:40 PM
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91. Well said, Hugh n/t
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:16 PM
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132. As Far as Working and Studying Harder
I don't know a broad enough cross-section of Indians to be able to generalize. But in the case of the Chinese -- yes, they do work harder and study harder than Americans.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:21 PM
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63. Daily Kos on Thomas Friedman:
Here's Tom Friedman's latest. It's barely coherent, so forgive me if I can't select quotes that make a lot of sense in the order in which they appear:

Now what does that have to do with pulling us out of the Great Recession? A lot. Historically, recessions have been a time when new companies, like Microsoft, get born, and good companies separate themselves from their competition. It makes sense.When times are tight, people look for new, less expensive ways to do old things. Necessity breeds invention.

...

We should be taking advantage. Now is when we should be stapling a green card to the diploma of any foreign student who earns an advanced degree at any U.S. university, and we should be ending all H-1B visa restrictions on knowledge workers who want to come here. They would invent many more jobs than they would supplant. The world’s best brains are on sale. Let’s buy more!

...

We need to do all we can now to get more brains connected to more capital to spawn more new companies faster. As Jeff Immelt, the chief of General Electric, put it in a speech on Friday, this moment is "an opportunity to turn financial adversity into national advantage, to launch innovations of lasting value to our country."

Friedman's thesis is that what America needs is more innovation.

He's not wrong.

But the Globalization order that he has been pushing for the last decade and a half is not about innovation. It's about sending capital to pursue efficiency, not new inventions.

This is why technology jobs are going to India and China ...

And why U.S. employers are trying to attract cheaper Chinese and Indian workers to replace Americans here.

It's not about innovation.

It's not about invention.

Globalization is about efficiency.

It's about a change in business processes, but ultimately about stagnation when it comes to the development of new technologies and new ways of doing things.


It's about cheaper, Mr. Friedman.

It ain't about better.


In order to move the American economy toward innovation, government needs to put limits on the ability of capital to move overseas in pursuit of efficiency. You see, business investment is using the difference in price between domestic and foreign labor to replace innovation.

Globalization isn't going to get us better, greener, safer cars.

It's just going to get us cheaper ones.

From China.

As far as Friedman's suggestion that we simply drop immigration barriers that protect the domestic workforce:

That is just more of his regular, sadistic, anti-worker foolishness.

Good grief ...

Is this man really writing for what claims to be the best newspaper in the country?

Tom Friedman, Free Trader, wrong again ... about everything.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/29/748158/-Tom-Friedman,-Wrong-Again-About-Invention
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:28 PM
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72. The Daily Kos?? LOL
An intellectual gem that one. LOL
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:31 PM
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75. Once Again....I was NOT responding to YOU. n/t
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:32 PM
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79. LOL no, just instigating.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:32 PM
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80. Um, have you checked who advertises here?
Obviously not! Obviously you are a troll.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:35 PM
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84. ??? now there's cause and effect. Not
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:30 PM
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74. C'mon guys, stop giving the mods a hard time.
Chill and discuss FGS instead of overworking the Admin.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:32 PM
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81. You got your own replies deleted too pal.
Don't lecture others.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:36 PM
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85. LOL I was answering you.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:37 PM
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86. And it got deleted - so try to take your own advice, I guess?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:38 PM
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89. Any more excuses, red herrings, straw men, what have you?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:43 PM
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95. Saying you should try harder not to get your own posts deleted before posting pleas for civilitit
is an "excuse" for what, a "red herring" how and a straw man in what way, exactly?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:44 PM
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:54 PM
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106. Awwww and there you go again. Try to stop doing that. :)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:42 PM
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94. Oh and by the way...
... Freidman is a fucking moron.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:43 PM
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96. He's an American and a member of your party.
And....he's right.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:56 PM
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111. Friedman is about as Democratic as I am Swedish.
That is to say, not an ounce.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:23 PM
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119. WAAAAAY Right!
---------------------------------->Too far to the right.---------------------------->
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:25 AM
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129. He's an apoligist for globalization..
.. that has been a disaster for this country. He is as "right" as George Bush was when he insisted that we'd be greeted as liberator in Iraq.

He's a fucking fool, as apparently you are too.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:47 PM
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101. Well, you can all sob together and play victim if you like
But when the end comes...don't say you weren't warned.

I'm off to saner threads. Bye.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:55 PM
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107. .
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:56 PM
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109. +1 n/t
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 09:56 PM
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110. LOL +2
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:24 PM
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120. +3
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 02:48 PM
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143. The best response, really.
The worst incivility is the cruelty embedded in pretty wordsmithing. FOAD is the sanest response.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:02 PM
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113. Aw Come back.I can go on busting you up all night long. There's 10 unanswered link threads up there
And I'm just getting warmed up.

I've been studying neo-liberal economic globalization for the better part of a decade - I have an entire file of research and saved material on this stuff.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:06 PM
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114. What end? Are you talking abou the neoliberal "end of history" or something?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:33 PM
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121. Few are lower than Thomas the Whale Turd
Come to think of it, there's a lowly phrase I recently read as a DUer's tagline that I also remember hearing a RW turd regurgitate a time ago:

"Sure, there are winners and losers under Capitalism. That is why losers prefer socialism."
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:45 PM
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124. Here's another thing I noticed about Thomas Friedman.
Aside from that pie that was thrown at him at GreenWatch . . .

Do you ever notice that he pretty much appears on news shows . . . by himself?

Curious, when has this guy ever been before a non-loaded audience?

Ever notice he very rarely, if ever, participates in a Q/A session that doesn't consist of mostly moderate lily-livered softballs?

Ever notice this guy pretty much gets an open, uncontested forum for his neo-lib, Free Traitor spewing and commentators don't even slightly question or press him on the legitimacy of his cockamamie laissez-fail theories or his weird and hamfisted metaphors?

Google or YouTube "Thomas Friedman vs.". Yeah, you'll find a lot of videos, but not even a thumb's worth of "Vs".

Is it because he might have to be forced to defend the indefensible and come out in support of a very detrimental practice and wholesale con job on the American worker?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:58 PM
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128. because he's such a moron he couldn't handle questions from anything but a hand-picked audience.
really. he's a moron. someone feeds him his talking points. he doesn't know enough economics even to defend them credibly.

an audience of farmers could best him.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:17 PM
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139. Excellent observation.
The guy's a mouthpiece for Global Big Money. Rockefellers. Harrimans. Rothschilds. You know, bosses of the BFEE.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:28 AM
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130. lol...thanks for outlining the "template"
you're exactly right...
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 12:28 PM
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133. The United States of Deferred Maintenance - also The United States of Let's not pay any taxes.
And his remarks in the column about taxes are that we should tax corporations less. Maybe we should tax corporations and people what the Chinese do - sure they'll under tax corporations today - they're getting access to our technology. Friedman is a complete asshole.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 10:51 AM
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140. The Man's Philosophy is a Ploy to Enrich the Wealthy
while masking it as being some kind of philanthropic endeavor. You gotta be fucking dumb as hell, sociopathic or brainwashed to follow this man's bs.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 02:53 PM
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144. +1
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 01:53 AM
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141. ttt
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-10 02:40 PM
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142. reading this highly entertaining discussion,
I thought I'd give my two cents. I've been on this board for over eight years. In that time, I have read more than one poster who was losing his/her great technical job to cheaper labor--but not just losing their job, but having to train their replacement. Enough of the BS of not enough experienced workforce in the US--for the greedy, it's the cheapest (so they can use and abuse).

Now, I remember back in the eighties (good old Reagan). And the business meme then was that Americans were just too lazy. They needed to be more productive like the Japanese. It was all about the Japanese. And, as some workers became more productive, those greedy socios moved out of the country. I read a Nesbitt book back in the eighties, and I remember what was said-how corporations were going to be clamoring for workers-that workers could pick and choose where they want to work. Now, this was a time when the corporations started coining terms like "restructuring", then came "outsourcing." That pile of shite book was an attempt to pacify laid off workers that working for a company, with company loyalty was passe. The new business meme was "think of all the possibilities you'll have without that old job holding you down." As a matter of fact, more than one business talking head at the time was parroting that company loyalty was passe and that the only loyalty you have is to yourself.

It's amazing how they trot out these business memes, and in most of these memes, it is the worker who is at fault. They're too lazy, they're not educated enough. And it's all shite--every last word. But, let the sociopaths kill our education, and then they'll be damn psychics.
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