Does Sarah Palin Suffer From The Dunning–Kruger Effect

[Yavin4]

I was just reading about this on another blog. So, I looked it up, and wow.

Here it is:

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which "people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it".<1> The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than in actuality...

Kruger and Dunning noted a number of previous studies which tend to suggest that in skills as diverse as reading comprehension, operating a motor vehicle, and playing chess or tennis, "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" (as Charles Darwin put it).<4> They hypothesized that with a typical skill which humans may possess in greater or lesser degree,

Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of skill.
Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in others.
Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy.
If they can be trained to substantially improve their own skill level, these individuals can recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

[NRaleighLiberal]

1. maybe. I think that she is just a garden variety asshole.

[madmax]

4. +1 :rofl:

[rufus dog]

6. screw the psycho babble

I'll go with your explanation.

[Richard Steele]

31. And Dunning & Kruger were just LAZY scientists who "Published" some shit everyone already knew.

nm

[marew]

2. She's definitely got it! n/t

[LeftyMom]

3. I don't know about her, but that explains half the people I've ever encountered on the internets.

[gratuitous]

5. Well, that was a shot at me from out of nowhere

Note to self: QUIT CLICKING ON PALIN POSTS, GODDAMMIT!

[calimary]

23. DAMMIT!

I love you, gratuitous, whoever you are!

:rofl: :patriot: :yourock: :rofl: :patriot: :yourock: :rofl:

[Zomby Woof]

12. Yeah?

That explains why you think flvegan is actually a vegan. :P

[Mz Pip]

7. There is an actual

name for the chronically clueless? People really studied this?

I'm impressed that someone actually came up with a name for someone who has an overblown sense of their own importance. And did research on it. Amazing.

[Zomby Woof]

8. Guess I don't have it

I love chess and golf, but I suck at them, and I KNOW I suck at them, lol.

[EFerrari]

13. Hey! We suck at the same games!

lol

[Beaverhausen]

9. She's too stupid to know how stupid she is

[Lucy Goosey]

11. ...exactly!

That sums her up nicely.

[csziggy]

14. A number of years ago there was a terrific satirical article based on that idea

That stupid people are too stupid to know that they are stupid. I thought it was an Onion piece, but I have searched their archives several times and never found it. It was wonderfully written as a serious report on a scientific study.

I think of it every time I see Palin and most Republicans these days.

[Beaverhausen]

25. I known others just like her. They are almost proud of how ignorant they are

or they just don't even try to hide it. Being nice looking sometimes adds to it, because people are generally nicer to good looking people and let them get away with things they might not otherwise get away with.

[Warpy]

10. There's a better explanation that covers her whole life: hypomania

The DSM-IV-TR defines a hypomanic episode as including, over the course of at least four days, elevated mood plus three of the following symptoms OR irritable mood plus four of the following symptoms:

* pressured speech; rapid talking
* inflated self-esteem or grandiosity;
* decreased need for sleep;
* flight of ideas or the subjective experience that thoughts are racing;
* easy distractibility and attention-deficit (superficially similar to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder);
* increase in psychomotor agitation; and
* involvement in pleasurable activities that may have a high potential for negative psycho-social or physical consequences (e.g., the person engages in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments).<1>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomania

It could explain why she needed to go to so many schools for what should have been a breeze of a degree, why her unscripted speech is disconnected phrases and buzzwords and often degenerates completely into word salad, and why she honestly feels qualified for the presidency and lacks the insight to realize she is not, blaming other people for "gotcha" questions most third graders could answer easily.

The woman isn't stupid, not really. She's just never been able to focus.

[yurbud]

15. few people can admit to themselves ''I are stewpeed''

[Mythbuster]

16. She suffers from dumb neocon bitch syndrome. n/t

[Duppers]

17. **Suffers** From The Dunning–Kruger Effect?

Hardly 'suffers'--I think she enjoys it.


Knows not she knows not.

[upi402]

18. Hell, every conservative I know is like that!

Always drives me nuts. They are so confident and completely without warrant.

[opihimoimoi]

19. Passionately delusional

[lib2DaBone]

20. Look at her eyes.. she is a cult member... like Hare Krishna...gonzo

.. she is "high" on a dose of Jeebus... she's been babtized (sic) one too many times in that River- in-Wasila.

I think she hit her head on a rock the last time she went under...

[WeDidIt]

21. Now you know why she isn't schooling herself on matters of policy

but is just out there talkin' and bein' with the people and such as also.

[divvy]

22. Some call it Religious Insanity.

The religious, especially the under-educated are extremely prone to this.

[tanyev]

24. Hey, it's like my sig line!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

26. Psychopathy and language processing problems

I suspect the Dunning Kruger effect is a name for something that happens to most everyone...some more often than others, I guess....

I think madame Palin exhibits traits more like personality disorder of some kind.

Here is something very interesting on Psychopathy (bolded for emphasis, by me):

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/148141-The-Trick-of-the-Psychopath-s-Trade-Make-Us-Believe-that-Evil-Comes-from-Others
from a very long interview on the book "Political Ponerology, A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes by Andrzej Łobaczewski"

<snip>
Other recent studies lead to similar results and conclusions: that psychopaths have great difficulty processing verbal and nonverbal affective (emotional) material, that they tend to confuse the emotional significance of events, and most importantly, that these deficits show up in brain scans. Psychopaths exhibit unusual inter-hemispheric distribution of processing resources, have difficulty in appreciating the subtle meanings and nuances of language such as proverbs, metaphors, and so forth, have poor olfactory discrimination, possibly because of orbito-frontal dysfunction, and may have what appears to be a sub-clinical form of thought disorder characterized by a lack of cohesion and coherence in speech. All of these cognitive and affective anomalies cannot be explained by any of the other models of psychopathy, and they can be detected with brain scans.

I've also read other books and articles on Psychopathy and have seen other experts (like Dr Micheal Hare)talk about the coherence and cohesion problems in speech.

Not sure which of the Cluster B disorders she has, but here are diagnostic criteria for the two that seem to fit her best: Anti-Social Personality disorder (Psychopathy) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/prsnltydsrdr.htm

Diagnostic criteria for 301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder

A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
(4) requires excessive admiration
(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Added on edit:
website for the book I mention at the top. Wooo, very good (especially if you're a psych. wonk...but even if not, it's still pretty damn good)!
http://www.ponerology.com/psychopaths_3.html

[IDemo]

27. Well, "Dunning–Kruger" is easier to remember than

"Reagan-Bush-Limbaugh-Coulter-Hannity-O'Reilly-Palin-Bachmann-Steele-Cheney-Rumsfeld-etc-etc Syndrome".

Maybe just "Hidiocy" (hideous + idiocy) would work.

[lunatica]

28. This whole thread describes George Bush

I've often thought they were the same. We just don't know Sarah Palin as well as we know Bush. I bet she would invade countries and kill civilians as easily as Bush did. And she'd attribute it all to God telling her to do it.

[L0oniX]

29. IMO ...it is the result of the continual abuse of a vibrator on high speed.

[Sheepshank]

30. Palin may be afflicted with Dunning–Kruger Effect

but I'm thinking there's a whole Tea Party, Glenn Beck and most of those at Freeperville that are afflicted with Munchausens-Dunning–Kruger-by Proxy Effect

[sendero]

32. There was a study published a few years ago,..

.... that basically concluded that confidence and competence are not corellated at all.

In other words folks have whatever level of confidence they have, and that level has nothing whatsoever to do with their competence.

As a person who has worked around others in a technical setting for many years, I find this to be a foregone conclusion.

[WillyT]

33. Sounds Like My Boss...

:hide:

:evilgrin:

[upi402]

35. All my bosses too, except one

And oddly enough, he's an Amy Goodman listenin' liberal. And brilliant too! The rest were assholes, and voted Republican not surprisingly.

I like this, having a study to support decades of observation -is validating!

lg Nobel Prize winner!
"first make people laugh, and then make them think"

[hyphenate]

34. So does that mean

I'm not really a savant at Classic TV trivia? But, but, who's gonna remember all those shows that only ran 13 episodes, or who guested in a given episode of something, or......

right. it's not important!