Even as we watch our hopes for serious health care reform die the death of a thousand cuts .......

[Stinky The Clown]

...... the right is terming Obama as the most liberal president ever and as being hellbent to "nationalize healthcare".

The dissonance in all this is stunning.

[tekisui]

1. The inability of Obama to control the frame is stunning.

He ran such a good campaign. But, his team has yet to figure out message control and framing at the governing level.

[Captain Hilts]

3. Yes, it is. But George W. Bush also ran a good campaign and he ran the country

into the ground.

Oh well.

[TomCADem]

14. Thanks For The Corporate Talking Point. Some Magical PR Dust Is Needed?

Please. With millions being spent to kill health care reform, and corporate media focusing on death panels, you think that some PR would saved the day?

Here is a strategy:

1. Spend millions Freedom Works, and buy yourself some grass roots support.
2. Spend billions and buy Fox News to spread your propaganda 24/7.
3. Spend millions on advertising so that the corporate networks don't talk about the substance.
4. Spend millions on PR types to spread division and discord on the left, claiming that President Obama is not liberal enough.

[tekisui]

18. You give excuses.

Just like assholes, everybody has one. Some stink more than others.

Whatever your excuse or Obama's excuse---the word is ineffective. The Obama Administration is ineffective. Voters don't reward ineffectiveness.

[Lorien]

15. +1. nt

[snot]

16. That's the power of media ownership.

The media owners recognized they were likely looking at losing in 2008; but they managed to prevent/eliminate candidates like Dean, Kucinich, et al. -- anyone they couldn't control.

[Captain Hilts]

2. It all makes my head hurt. I'm hoping for snow!

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[likesmountains 52]

7. wow, you are clearly very bright!

[slipslidingaway]

let the countdown begin n/t

[likesmountains 52]

10. ok, really, what do you have to say that is intelligent and adds to the

debate beside " I hate you cocksucking faggot lefties."?

[deminks]

11. Who wants pizza?

[niyad]

12. that one didn't last long.

[FBaggins]

5. Yes... we're learning that Social Security wasn't really the "third rail"

It was just a buildup of static electricity.

The has become the classic political suicide no-win scenario. Can't go far enough left to satisfy the base and no amount of movement to the center removes the oposition's case against it.

[slipslidingaway]

6. Yes ...

"The dissonance in all this is stunning."

:thumbsup:

[madinmaryland]

8. I'm still getting over watching Olbermann talk about his father

passing away.

My mom is dying an even more insidious death by dementia.

I can't even follow what the fuck you are trying to say, as this all happens.

bye.

[yurbud]

9. he should just go ahead and nationalize health care, and they can be self-satisfied

and we can go to the doctor without going broke.

[niyad]

13. there are days I look at some of those people and say, "could you explain this to me? seriously,

I want to understant what the HELL it is that you see when you are looking at these things, because, clearly, it isn't what the rest of us are seeing. so, PLEASE, help me to understand."

dead silence.

[progressoid]

17. Tune in to AM radio tomorrow and your head will explode.

Dissonance is an understatement.