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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:17 AM Original message |
His name was Joe Stack |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. Did you know him personally? |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. yes |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Hate to say this but.... |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
91. I have no doubt that there are more. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. +1 |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
138. There ARE more Joe Stacks out there. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Did he vote for GWB twice? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Amy Bishop likely voted for Obama - do you want to claim her? |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. We have had instances of murderers who voted for Dems before |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
110. And what |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
128. did you even bother to read the OP? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
64. wtf |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Bush's popularity plummeted in 2005. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I see the point you are making. But I feel a bit differently about it |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
83. Yes. Stack voted for Bush twice. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #83 |
111. Deleted message |
Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
104. ?????????? nt |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
2. I feel we should be done talking about him. |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
71. then be done. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. It seems people like to pretend only people they dislike or disagree with can be violent. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. nope |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
44. I think anybody that decides to kill someone is mentally ill... |
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CubicleGuy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
117. If all killers are crazy... |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
98. Yep, mentally ill for certain. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
122. Most people see it as mental illness (period) In this country, we have it WAY too damn good |
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AllHereTruth (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
123. +1 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. When did he play in your band? The early 70's? 1982? |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. 2005-2008 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. "Pilot spent months on diatribe that became his suicide note" |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
68. I wouldn't make too much of that... |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
114. I spoke with a friend of almost 40 years the night before he killed himself and I had NO clue. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
125. he also said he was writing |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. He wrote a long manifesto and clearly planed out - premeditated using a plane as a bomb |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
77. I have to disagree. To me the definition of a terrorist is someone that |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. Sorry, a bit lost here. Difference between Stack & McVeigh is what, eaxctly? |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Mc Veigh was a believer that as in the Turner Diaries that if he |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #99 |
118. Stack wanted to wake up the "American Zombies" so they woud "revolt" |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #118 |
135. Did he say that on his web site? I tried to read it and gave up. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #99 |
139. Grudge |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
115. It would be helpful if you understood the definition of terrorist |
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CubicleGuy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
119. I think he got to the point... |
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Frustratedlady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
7. It appears he had been working the details out in his mind... |
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Tobin S. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
10. I don't know about the mental illness angle |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. "But I think someone could be sane and commit a crime like this." |
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CubicleGuy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
120. Is that so? |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. i know that |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Do you not think being a long-term rabid anti-tax advocate is... |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. you're right |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Where I disagree with you is where you say "he did not have a... |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
129. oh, so you knew him personally too? |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
87. I'm fighting this battle too, but at the other end |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
105. I read his manifesto |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. What people aren't getting is that when someone goes into a state like that |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. "Do we really know what he was doing in the 80s?" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. That it's written down doesn't make it necessarily true. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. One can speculate but the reality is we have his own words... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Right, we have those words. My point is that those words |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. You are speculating he was unbalanced in the 80s.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. No, I'm not speculating at all about the 80s. I said, clearly, that the report is |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Yet what he said he was doing in the 80s was borne out in his actions... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. HIs wife left the house with her daughter because she was afraid of him. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 07:57 AM Response to Reply #65 |
132. Additional note |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. But we really don't know that. We know that's how he told it before he |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
109. Yikes! I'm scared for myself after reading that! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #109 |
136. Sure. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
72. No. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. His reference to being a "non-citizen slave" is very much part of the anti-tax... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Inform yourself. The basis of his complaint is in fact sound: |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I did inform myself, I read his screed.... |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #85 |
106. If you read it, then you have a comprehension problem. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Poeple can have mental breakdowns at any time in their lives. |
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Tobin S. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I've been on a psych ward too. Three times as a patient. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I know. I suffer from depression too. And was a patient. I think it makes you more sympathetic |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Joe Stack's history might help reveal a bit more... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Well, that explains some things to me. He was about to have a full mental breakdown. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. he was born in denver |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. There but for the grace of God. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
43. Thank you. So SICK of all the Frists around this place. (nt) |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
13. Unfortunately, his little exit act is going to embolden the nut cases |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
96. There's the point. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
14. His Name... |
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peekaloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. the first rule of Flight Club |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
70. well, actually, it sort of was... |
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peekaloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
133. I was riffing on the motto. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
17. The teabaggers are getting a lot of coverage for acting out |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
21. Thanks for posting this. K&R nt |
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godai (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
22. Do you know if he was taking any medications? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
23. HE may not have been overtly political to you, but his last act in life WAS overtly political |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. well |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. "It's not fair" is a key principle of the Tea Party Protesters |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 05:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
127. "it's not fair" |
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heli (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
24. Profiler: Suicide Pilot Was 'Self-Loathing' Narcissist |
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ChicagoSuz219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. I don't remember anybody profiling the Xmas bomber... |
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freeplessinseattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
103. sounds kind of like the alcoholic/drug abuser personality |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
25. Just read a news story about his band and all of the members say the same thing. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
48. yeah |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Hi, Billy. |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
30. Dammit all to Hell:: Now we gatta suspect all eeps who act cool, nonthreatening, works , |
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The_Commonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
31. I'm sorry you lost your friend, griffi94. |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Sorry, the guy tried to kill his family and then commit mass murder. |
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The_Commonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Yes, you friend. |
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Liberal In Texas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
81. Oh boy, amateur armchair psychiatry. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
89. His family wasn't in the house when he set it on fire. |
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vegiegals (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. I do not agree that he should be labeled as any of these. It was |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. well said |
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The_Commonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Certainly... |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
86. Wondering if this is the OP's video. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 04:40 AM Response to Reply #86 |
124. yep |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Great post, Commonist. |
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alcina (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
63. Well said, The_Commonist. Thank you. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
92. so well said. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
112. Well said Commonist |
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ChicagoSuz219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
39. I've been quoting you all nite re: him being 'apolitical.' n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
42. So he was driven crazy by the fact that he had to pay taxes? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Or, it could be that as he was losing his stuff, he explained it to himself |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
90. If you really are interested in knowing what his tax fight was about.. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
113. Such empathy |
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nolabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
57. I'm so sorry for your loss. No one knows what was going on inside him. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Well said, nolabear. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
60. Oh, man... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
66. I'm so sorry this happened to you guys, to his family and to the community. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
78. my sympathy to you, nt |
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NoFace (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
79. Sigh...another 'I'm not going to defend Joe Stack BUT..." thread. NT |
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prolesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I guess you should have really read it |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. sigh... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
102. It really helps to read. |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 05:11 AM Response to Reply #79 |
126. i didn't defend him at all |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
82. when americans have paranoid fantasies, they often revolve around the government |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
88. Whether Joe Stack.. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
95. And there you have it |
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Ruby the Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
97. I am sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing. |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
101. It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
107. Due condolences on the loss of a friend, but his writings disagree with you. |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
108. I will say thank you for your insight |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
116. His name was Robert Paulsen. nt |
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Lindsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 02:16 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. My sympathy to you, griffi94, and to eveyone concerned.... |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
130. I guess that's what happens when people feel betrayed by life? |
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anachro1 (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
131. Who cares of his last hours? |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
134. Sounds to me like one of those guys who keep making........ |
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