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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:08 AM
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Established Bronx trade school may be replaced by untested academic charter school.
I am a firm believer that not every one will be heading to college. Not only are there the bleak economic aspects in our country now , but there is a need for a strong vocational training for those not college ready. Without these schools too many will not have the job and life skills.

I am noticing as the "school reform" is moving on full speed ahead....that there is almost a complete focus on college skills. That is not realistic at all.

At Bronx Vocational School, Concern Over Plan for Charter


Ruby Washington/The New York Times: Smith's senior carpentry shop. A total of 22 technical shops at the school are scheduled to close.

Citing academic failures, the city has proposed closing the construction trade program at Alfred E. Smith Career and Technical Education High School, a 78-year-old vocational school in the South Bronx.


I must not understand...but when would "academic" failures close a vocational school?

But the school the Department of Education plans to put in place of the program, the 18-month-old New York City Charter High School for Architecture, Engineering and Construction Industries, has had its own issues. Its founder is facing federal charges that he embezzled from a nonprofit company. Thirty percent of the students left after the first year, as did most of the teachers. And despite its name, it has no experience running hands-on vocational programs.

Supporters of Smith, the Bronx’s only high school with state-approved construction trade programs, fear its technical shops will suffer under the charter school’s management and wonder why the city would eliminate an established school only to put an untested school in its place.


Get that? The charter school founder is facing federal charges.

At A.E.C.I., teachers say they use the building trades as an academic theme, discussing architecture in global history class and asking students to write essays about opportunities in construction. Now in a small, cheery converted day care center on East 140th Street, the school said it planned to offer internships and trade courses as it expanded to include the upper grades, while maintaining its college prep focus.


Replacing vocational life skills training with college prep courses? Not going to work.

Writing essays about construction opportunities instead of getting hands on training. Not going to work.

The Indypendent discusses this issue further.

Experience the best teacher

Smith’s building trade programs — ranging from carpentry to electrical work — are on the New York City Department of Education’s (DOE) chopping block, and the city’s Panel for Education Policy (PEP) will be voting at the end of February on whether or not to “phase down” the programs at Smith beginning next fall. The DOE has decided to allow the school’s other career and technical education program (CTE), which focuses on automotive training, to remain open.

The DOE plans to replace the building trade programs with two smaller schools — Bronx Haven High School and New York City Charter High School for Architecture, Engineering, and Construction Industries (AECI). Bronx Haven will provide classes for non-traditional and under-credited students, while AECI will offer vocational programs similar to those already offered at Smith — minus the hands-on training.

The co-location of AECI is part of a larger trend in Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s education policy of replacing vocational schools that offer experience-based training in building trades, cosmetology and culinary arts with schools that offer textbook-driven instruction in these same trades, as well as classes in fields that require further education at the college level, such as accounting, fashion and entrepreneurship.

While Bloomberg’s emphasis on closing public schools in favor of privately run charter schools has drawn much public ire, the slow, yet steady, elimination of CTE programs throughout the city has received much less publicity.

Bloomberg’s bent for schools that emphasize college prep instead of hands-on learning leaves educators concerned.


It definitely concerns me. It is foolish to assume that every child is college-prep material. Some have other skills and talents to contribute, and they should be nourished.

A businessman speaks out about the need for the vocational school.

A BUSINESSMAN SPEAKS OUT

Jeffrey Smalls, who owns an electrical construction business, says he has hired students from Alfred E. Smith in the past, and knows all too well what a high school education in the building trades can do for young people in the South Bronx, one of the poorest congressional districts in the country.

“We have enough of a problem proving ourselves in the workforce as minorities. Alfred E. Smith catapults students from poverty into the middle class,” Smalls said.


A comment from the article points out that "New York City’s school wars continued to rage in neighborhoods across the city in February as the Department of Education (DOE) held public comment hearings on its proposed plans to install or expand privately-run charter schools inside 17 existing public schools."




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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:17 AM
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1. oh no the " un people" are out tonight...
people wonder why the germans kick our ass in vocational skills...
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:52 AM
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9. I had a real machinist for a Vocational Machining teacher
He'd have torn us a new one for wasting time and using the wrong tool for the job if we'd ever tried the fabled "file a cube dead square" training exercise.
But - Every engineering student needs a grounding in the trades. I've worked with several interns from highly regarded engineering schools who needed this badly! And the FIRST program (robotics competition) emphasizes trade skills and practical applications of engineering - parents and teachers rave about it. A lot of "educators " don't like trades education, because the technologies do not remain static, and the classrooms are expensive, can be misused to a degree, and are seen as dangerous.
Teachers are hard to get, harder to keep trained up to new technologies, and usually are not the academic sort.
Finally - rich dicks HATE skilled trades people - many times, because being smart enough to run a plumbing crew or set up a milling machine means being smart enough to not like being talked down to, and know what they are worth in $$$$$.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:20 PM
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11. You make some very good points.
:hi:
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:24 PM
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12. Thank you!
Precise and consistent angles, right on center, sharp as hell!:evilgrin:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:36 PM
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15. Heh heh
Indeed. }(
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:19 AM
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2. Well I just think the schools need to get rid of the bad kids
The chronic violent troublemakers and bullies who make the schools a difficult place for teachers and students who want to learn.

Just give 'em the heave ho. That's what Joe Clark did at Eastside High School.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:02 AM
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3. Actually that is not what my post was about at all.
:shrug:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:14 AM
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4. I'm thinking of making and marketing Charter Bread, Charter Butter, Charter Flags, Charter Beef, ...
Charter EVERYTHING is the best.

Yup! The very best.

Especially if it's corporate.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:27 AM
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5. More about the charter school founder, it's ok to break laws if you run a charter school.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2010/01/29/2010-01-29_rush_to_create_charters_a_recipe_for_cash_scams.html

"Last June, a Manhattan federal grand jury charged its founder and chairman, Richard Izquierdo Arroyo, with stealing more than $200,000 from a nonprofit South Bronx housing organization. Prosecutors say Izquierdo spent the money on designer clothes, fancy restaurants and trips to the Caribbean for his grandmother, state Assemblywoman Carmen Arroyo, and his aunt, City Councilwoman Maria del Carmen Arroyo.

Another board member of the school, Margarita Villegas, an employee of the housing group, was indicted with Izquierdo. Both have pleaded not guilty. They immediately resigned from AECI's board and from the board of the South Bronx Charter School, where Izquierdo was chairman.

Virtually all the teachers who began at AECI when it opened its doors in September 2008 resigned within the first year.

This month, 17 of the 19 new staff members at the school filed a state labor petition to have the United Federation of Teachers represent them. The angry teachers claim that Victory Schools Inc., the for-profit management company hired by AECI to administer their school, is charging an exorbitant management fee.

Meanwhile, DOE has posted little information on the academic performance of AECI students.




Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2010/01/29/2010-01-29_rush_to_create_charters_a_recipe_for_cash_scams.html#ixzz0fzo3EJqt
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:16 AM
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6. What a huge mistake, on so many levels. My children's public school dropped
shop classes years ago. Their justification was, we believe more focus should be on math and science.

I guess math is not required in shop, eh? So shortsighted imo and also there is the presumption that one attends shop class because they
are not intellectually capable of much else......wrong!

A good friend of our family was an honor student in school,and he had a strong interest in shop class, loved working with wood.
He says he only learned the most basic of skills there BUT that was where he found his passion.

Today, he is a highly trained and highly compensated, self employed woodworker/furniture craftsman.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:24 AM
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7. Why the sudden movement to stop vocational schools? Yes, it is wrong.
Is it greed of the charters? They could have vocational schools, too. Is it a philosophy of some group that only academics count?

I am very puzzled why this is happening, and the Bronx is not the only place.

I think most educators agree that there should be more than one path open to upper grade students, so where is this all coming from?

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:35 AM
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8. I can only speculate as to why it happened in our school system which
ranks high academically in the country. I suspect they believe it will lower their rank in some way perhaps and then there is the
attitude..craftmanship out, Wall Street professionals in.

What I found infuriating is the students are not able to explore an avenue that might be perfect for them.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:54 PM
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17. Where is this all coming from?
The question that always needs to be asked.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:06 PM
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10. I dare you.....
Find me an academic math teacher who can explain Geometric Tolerancing. Maybe 1/100..... How about surface plate inspection with a height guage? Or the difference between concentricity and t.i.r.(runout)? How to read a vernier scale?
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:25 PM
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13. Yep, it's a shame, and as I said earlier, very shorted sighted on the part of the schools.
But I will add here, I imagine in our school district, the short sightedness in dropping shop classes was a result of parent input too.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:35 PM
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14. Hey, they teach physics and calculus in seperate rooms...
:wtf:
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:52 PM
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16. K&R nt
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12AngryMen Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 01:25 PM
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18. K&R n/t
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:35 PM
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19. k & R
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 07:37 PM
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20. I'm grateful for people like Jeffery Smalls who gives those leaving H.S. a chance.
Not only is college not for everyone, but not everyone is getting enough in loans for tuition....
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