Another AWESOME Gravel video: "Eisenhower's Warning" and more! I'm HOOKED!

[BeHereNow]

(Eisenhower's warning)
http://www.gravel2008.us/?q=node/257

(On the Iraq war)
http://www.gravel2008.us/?q=node/271

(On the Military Industrial Complex owned media censoring candidates
who oppose the neocon agenda)
http://www.gravel2008.us/?q=node/472

PEOPLE! WATCH these clips! PLEASE! I'm begging you!
He is the ONLY candidate I've heard that is telling the TRUTH.
The man knows the history of all of it and explains it.

OH my GOD, do I dare hope that the Democrats actually
have a viable candidate now?
Perhaps not, given the "American Idol" brain set of
both parties...

Gravel's website-
http://www.gravel2008.us/

Go NOW- Donate!
BHN

[BeHereNow]

1. Shameless Kick- because it MATTERS.

BHN

[wicket]

15. kick

:kick:

[calimary]

I'll bite.

And kick!

Bookmarked this, also. I'd like to be able to find these again. Thanks for posting.

He was mighty refreshing, wasn't he?

[BeHereNow]

6. Please help me keep this kicked!

He is most important vioce I have heard in YEARS!
I'm afraid of what the corporatists may do to him!
That is how POWERFUL his message is!
BHN

[calimary]

81. Happily.

KICK!!!

[Rainscents]

2. He got my vote!!!

[IndyOp]

3. You were not kidding... Truth. Holy Hell.

:wow: :wow: :wow:

I've heard Gravel before, but haven't heard him talking about the military-industrial-congressional complex.

Gravel is doing incredible work for us all.

[BeHereNow]

13. He is the ONLY Candidate talking about what MATTERS.

For this, I am truly grateful to the man.
He's got my vote.
If they allow him to stay in the running that is!
BHN

[davekriss]

76. Not true

While I welcome Gravel's voice to the debate, Dennis Kucinich has been a consistent voice for progress too. Personally, I am strongly opposed to his positions on the "fair tax" and on social security.

(On edit, it would help if I got Dennis' name right. I put "John" in the original post!!)

[Rainscents]

4. His web site is VERY busy!!!

Very slow!!! :-)

[BeHereNow]

5. From his BIO- NIXON/WATERGATE etc...this man is a truth warrior for the people!

"In 1971, he waged a successful one-man filibuster for five months that forced the Nixon administration to cut a deal, effectively ending the draft in the United States. He is most prominently known for his release of the Pentagon Papers, the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War. After the New York Times published portions of the leaked study, the Nixon administration moved to block any further publication of information and to punish any newspaper publisher who revealed the contents.

From the floor of the senate, Gravel (a junior senator at the time) insisted that his constituents had a right to know the truth behind the war and proceeded to read 4,100 pages of the 7,000 page document into the senate record. The Supreme Court ultimately ruled that Senator Gravel did not have the right and responsibility to share official documents with his constituents.

He then published The Senator Gravel Edition, The Pentagon Papers, Beacon Press (1971). This publication resulted in litigation, Gravel v. U.S., resulting in a landmark Supreme Court decision (No. 71-1017-1026) relative to the Speech and Debate Clause (Article 1, Section 6) of the United States Constitution."

WE MUST FIGHT TO KEPP HIS VOICE HEARD IN THE DEBATES!
The powers that be will do everything in their power to silence this man.

VOTE with your feet and check books people!
I say we lauch a MASSIVE grass roots compaign to make
our friends and neighbors aware of him.
Lord knows the MIC owned media will not
want them to learn of him.

BHN

[The Count]

7. Count me in too! Did you see him smacking down Tweety?

[BeHereNow]

11. No! I would LOVE to see that! Is there a link to it on his site?

Drooling with anticipation!
BHN

[The Count]

45. I saw it on TV - post-debate interview. maybe someone puts it on line

Tweety: "So why do you think the other candidates keep the status quo"?
because they can get away with it - as long as you, the media reward them for it"
Tweety: That was harsh
Gravel: "you deserve it"
There were 2 more exchanges about getting a law through Senate (i.e criminalizing staying in Iraq) where Tweety tried to patronize Gravel and got smacked down. And another old story where Tweety implied that in '72 Gravel nominated himself as VP at the convention. "Once again, the media gets it wrong"
His tone was perfect too - firm, calm, authoritative.

[Clark2008]

8. And, of course, all the punditry was laughing at him and saying

that he needed medical attention.

:eyes:

[Burried News]

19. Very good thank you. It is the first time I heard him speak.

That he gets no coverage shows that the fix is in or the Media will only promote someone who has the funding to buy millions of dollars worth of coverage.
Something is majorly wrong here ... again.

[BeHereNow]

22. Yes, something is wrong- check out the video in my op about censoring him.

We need to fight like hell to kepp his voice alive and in the debates.
Everybody knows the dice are loaded and the game is rigged,
but for heaven's skae, I want my kid to be able to one day
read his words and know that some one actually TRIED.
That is more than I can say for the other MIC placed mealy mouthed
democratic candidates...I agree with Gravel; they SCARE me.

BHN

[PuraVidaDreamin]

49. KO even pissed me off

When he hinted at flashbacks
of a Zell Miller moment!

Kieth should be held to the fire for that one.

[H2O Man]

9. I think he offers

a voice for progressive democrats and associated anti-war folks.

[BeHereNow]

14. Not mention people (on both sides of the aisle) who have no idea what's been going onfor DECADES.

Now, if we could just get them out of the "American Idol for President"
mind set and into "reality based analysis" of what they've been told by
the corporate MIC media networks.

BHN:banghead:

[Toots]

53. I think he does more than that

He asks very tough questions that the other Democratic candidates will be forced to answer..I doubt he will ever be elected but he will spice up the race and seek out truth...The one that finally wins the nomination will have to do some "straight talking: of their own. Gravel will set a benchmark which all will be forced to meet.

[Carolina]

10. Excellent

I liked him last night at the debate but this is icing on the cake.

He really tells it like it is.

K&R

[bleever]

12. Damn, that WAS good.

Recommended before I watch more.

[BeHereNow]

16. Thanks for recommending! People NEED to hear this man! Or DU is a joke.

Want to hear a REAL representative, speaking for WE, the PEOPLE?
Tune in to Gravel before he is silenced.
He is an actual threat to the powers that be,
as proven in his bio here:

"In 1971, he waged a successful one-man filibuster for five months that forced the Nixon administration to cut a deal, effectively ending the draft in the United States. He is most prominently known for his release of the Pentagon Papers, the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War. After the New York Times published portions of the leaked study, the Nixon administration moved to block any further publication of information and to punish any newspaper publisher who revealed the contents.

From the floor of the senate, Gravel (a junior senator at the time) insisted that his constituents had a right to know the truth behind the war and proceeded to read 4,100 pages of the 7,000 page document into the senate record. The Supreme Court ultimately ruled that Senator Gravel did not have the right and responsibility to share official documents with his constituents.

He then published The Senator Gravel Edition, The Pentagon Papers, Beacon Press (1971). This publication resulted in litigation, Gravel v. U.S., resulting in a landmark Supreme Court decision (No. 71-1017-1026) relative to the Speech and Debate Clause (Article 1, Section 6) of the United States Constitution."

BHN

[SmellsLikeDeanSpirit]

17. Gravel has won me over. He has nothing to lose and is speaking the truth.

[BeHereNow]

18. EXACTLY! If nothing else, history will show that there was ONE true voice speaking as

America died at the hands of the global elite...
I intend to do everything in my power to keep his voice alive
as long as possible.
At least one day then, our children will read about the fact that SOME ONE fought for
them until the bitter end.

BHN

[Rainscents]

21. BHN...

I held out who to support until I heard him talk yesterday!!! My support is soiled for this man!!!

[BeHereNow]

23. I didn't support ANY of them. I fear there is not a rat's chance in hell for him, but that is NOT

the point.

We lost the country years ago- I just want it on record SOME WHERE, that
SOME ONE tried to get it back.

BHN

[dansolo]

83. Oh please, cut the hyperbole

As disillusioned I am with most of our elected officials, there are still many honorable people who have been speaking out.

[Swamp Rat]

20. k&r

:kick:

[sproutster]

24. I am in!!

Gore/Gavel :D

Only thing I'm afeared of... what are their views on outsourcing. Pretty crappy that the way things are ... they have my vote lock tight... But I would like to know their views on the destruction of the middle class.

Hey no Gore?
Gavel/Webb :)

[nicknameless]

25. K&R!

[Crunchy Frog]

26. That "Eisenhower's Warning" one is hooking me too.

He may end up being my guy, if Wes doesn't get in.

[BeHereNow]

29. For your consideration: Clark/Bush on madatory civilian service.

During his campaign, Clark touted a mandatory civilian service program
that looked great for a second, UNTIL you examined one clause more closely.
The clause would allow the President to call up the corp and deploy the corps
in the event of an emergency- no congressional oversight.

A few months ago- Bush repeated the very SAME proposal.

Sorry, as a thinking woman, I find the touting of the plan by BOTH
parties to be rather interesting.

So no, I am not a Clark fan.
Four star generals don't achieve that status in the MIC run
government by disagreeing with the military hegemony plan.

Food for thought, food for thought.
No offense intended in your choice of candidates, but to this
day, I remain HIGHLY suspicious of Clark.

In all the time he had a mic on Faux News, tell me when did
he actually address what MATTERS.

BHN

[Crunchy Frog]

32. I'm not interested in reading any spurious attacks on Clark in this thread.

I'm not asking you to like him, but I do. If we both like Gravel, I don't see why we can't meet each other there, and leave the attacks on other candidates out of it.

[BeHereNow]

33. WE agree to agree and disagree- and btw- I am not attacking- just making an empircal observation.

The fact the Bush parroted the Clark proposal disturbed me.
Glad we agree on Gravel- I would like to hear more of what Gravel
speaks about from Clark.
So far, I have not.
Respectfully,
BH

[Crunchy Frog]

35. So don't support Clark if he's not saying what you want to hear.

Nobody is asking you to support him.
Not particularly respecfully,
Crunchy

BTW, nice hijack of your own thread. :eyes:

[Adelante]

54. Clark touted a VOLUNTARY civilian service program

You got the "mandatory" wrong.

Democratic candidate Wesley Clark said Tuesday that if elected president, he would mobilize thousands of volunteers for a civilian reserve to respond to terror attacks and national disasters.

Clark said the reserve, much like the National Guard, could be called up by the president in times of national emergency. Every American 18 or older could register for a five-year tour and would serve as long as six months if called to duty.

"In the 21st century, we've learned that armies alone aren't enough," Clark said in a speech at Hunter College.

Those called to duty would receive health care, a stipend and the right to return to their jobs when their service had been completed. Clark, one of nine Democrats seeking the nomination, said the program would cost about $100-million a year and would be within the Department of Homeland Security.

-snip

In times of national emergency, such as floods, forest fires or terror attacks, the president could call to duty up to 5,000 civilian reservists, who would not carry weapons.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/10/15/Worldandnation/Clark_wants_to_start_.shtml

[karlrschneider]

27. He's been a damned fine iconoclast for decades and never got much press.

:kick:

[Rydz777]

28. He's 77 years old,

but what a guy! He'll not get the nomination - and probably doesn't expect it - but he not only tells the truth...he shouts it. He needs to be in every debate.

[BeHereNow]

30. I agree plus some. Remember, Kissinger is REALLY old and STILL running FP- so maybe there's hope?

I can't believe I just used the word "hope" in reference to our country...
BHN

[BeHereNow]

31. Yes, I am prepared to kick this thread the rest of my DU days. You MUST listen to him!

PLEASE!
LISTEN to the man., while you can.
Voices like his are about to be silenced forever in this country.
BHN

[bonito]

34. K&R thanks!

[Individualist]

36. K&R

[Gemini Cat]

37. K&R

[BeHereNow]

38. Yes, I will continue to kick it.Mike Malloy said there was nothing worth repeating about the debate

Isn't that interesting, given WHAT Gravel SAID, OVER the NATIONAL airwaves?
Why is it that Malloy would not replay what we have all been waiting to hear?
I have sent him an email to ask why, I think it a fair question to
someone who professes to be a truth seeker.

In the meantime, I will continue to do everything in my power to keep
Gravel in your consciousness, even if Malloy does not think him worthy
of your attention.

BHN

[brentspeak]

39. Didn't Mike Malloy have some LaRouche-ite as a guest once?

That was apparently one of the reasons Air America got rid of him.

[BeHereNow]

41. I don't know- I do know there is SOME truth in every position.

For all of the LOONEY shit LaRouche has been associated with,
he has been right at least twice a day, like a clock, to speak metaphorically.
It is unfortunate that he is a kook, because in truth, he has been right
on SOME things.
Not that it counts when the mention of his name automatically
voids his message.

BHN

[Lord Balto]

69. No, Actually...

I suspect Malloy got bounced because he said ALL the world's problems would magically go away if the Israelis settled with the Palestinians.

[Jcrowley]

40. Kick and Rec n/t

[rhett o rick]

42. K & R. Some say the truth hurts. It sure can bring tears to my eyes. Go Mike go. nm

[undergroundpanther]

43. Gravel ROCKS... KICK!

Rocks me like a landslide!!

Wow this race we got TWO politicians with a conscience ...Gravel and Kuchinich!!

I must say, I LOve 'em both. If Gravel wins I'd be so blown away, if he makes Kuchinich the VP I's be delirious with joy!!

And if Dennis wins I'd still be so blown away,and if he makes Gravel his VP I'd be delirious with joy too ..

And I would have never thought this kind of goodness would emerge shining like supernovas starkly showing us the twisted political landscape as it IS..in my wildest dreams I wish for America to get off this right winged psychopathy trip,grow back it's heart and rekindle that corruption hating fire in the belly ..It came back!!
I am ready..Lets' deliver them the Whitehouse! Tear down that FUCKING MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX MESS FOREVER,Finds it's owners and drag them out to face the public and be accountable . May the truth COME to Light no matter who tries to cover it,regardless of who spins and tells lies.Truth will out..heads will roll.So must it be.

Hail Sekhmet ,Great dreaded lion of the sun,go forth,and Stalk the hearts of all americans,in the name of Maat,make them see what is happening and that thier votes from the heart and consience can avert disaster of this destructive disease of bullies,tyrants fascists.. Sekhmet bring Gravel or Kuchinich to power(Sekhem) for they speak the TRUTH to a nation blinded by lies to the point of self destruction!!Crush the psychopaths and destroy their masks,reveal them and remove their undeserved power forever broken under your claws.May the red understand to be free they must run blue.

[BeHereNow]

44. You rock...my sentiments exactly- of course, it may not happen, but we must never give up.

:grouphug:
BHN

[loudsue]

59. Once again, undergroundpanther, I agree w/ you TOTALLY!! Kucinich & Gravel ROCK the foundation

of the military industrial complex... which is a sinister, insidious, evil political/immoral structure that NEEDS to have its foundation rocked, like a level 10 earthquake, until it collapses.

The two candidates on that stage that I admired the most were Kucinich and Gravel. Statesmen who TRULY put their country above their financial interests. And they are being TOTALLY marginalized by the media.

I think I'm going to send them both the maximum donation allowed. And to those who think I'm throwing my money up a wild hog's ass, I only wish everyone else who LOVES what this country formerly stood for would do the same. These men are patriots of the highest order.

Did anyone hear Kucinich say on Bill Maher last night that marijuana needs to quit being illegal, and that all those minimum sentences laws need to be thrown out? He KNOWS that the new "privatized" prison system is getting obscenely rich over the destroyed lives of the prisoners who have been put there for little or nothing. (Holding marijuana, for instance.)

Gravel and Kucinich SHOULD NOT be silenced by the media and their snarky little condescending talking heads!!! Unfortunately, the only way they will ever hear any of us is if these candidates start getting LOTS of money into their campaigns....money being the ONLY language that this country now understands pays attention to.

:loveya: THANKS FOR THIS THREAD, BeHereNow!!! :applause:

Keep putting this front & center!

:kick::kick::kick:

[quiet.american]

46. Thank you for posting these links. n/t

[TheUnspeakable]

47. k&r

[G_j]

48. "prominently known for his release of the Pentagon Papers"

In 1971, he waged a successful one-man filibuster for five months that forced the Nixon administration to cut a deal, effectively ending the draft in the United States. He is most prominently known for his release of the Pentagon Papers, the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

50. I'm with you BHN!

Gonna spread the word far and wide.

We MUST keep this guy in all the debates!

(btw- yesterday when I donated to Gravel's campaign,
the $100.00 registered twice. His campaign sent out an imed.
e-mail to me to alert me) How refreshing!

Thanked them and wished I could let them have it, but
promised more next month.

PeaceIN

[hootinholler]

51. Vote Gravel because we aleardy tried the box o rocks!

Look where that got us!

This guy has more than my respect, he is the first candidate I have actually donated money to!

-Hoot

[enough]

52. Thanks for opening my eyes. I was barely aware of Gravel before this.

(Did not see the debate.)

[upi402]

55. He's right. But! 'mericans would need a dictionary to understand him.

And a pictorial instruction page on how to use a dictionary.

(edit) to add a "recommend" for your thread. It's good grist for the mill!

[merh]

56. The message is there and I liked it, but he lacks charisma

and I am sorry to have to say this, but it takes someone with that extra something to win the election. That "x" factor, they have to be able to catch the attention and respect of the general public, the public has to feel that the candidate will be a good steward. His reading of his message reminded me of a professor reading his lecture notes.

I'll watch the rest and see if I see any energy. If he is serious, he needs to get a coach and he needs to memorize his speeches which would be easy to do since they are his own.

[hfojvt]

58. not charisma as much as speaking skills

something he could learn, or at least improve.

[merh]

64. I agree which is why I suggested he get coaching

and learn how to express what he feels beyond writing a speech and reading it.

[loudsue]

60. I understand, merh, but I hope there are enough patriotic Americans left to see beyond

the coiffed hairdo's, the glitz and the glamour, and that there will be enough donations to Gravel & Kucinich that it will start to send the message that needs to be sent to the powers that be.

I love their messages enough that I don't care if they've both got Tucker Carlson's lip herpes sores all over their faces, or if they have a speech impediment. Their message is clear, true, and vital if this country will ever again get back on the right path.

I think he made the more "charismatic" top three look like business as usual during the debates. And THAT is what this country needs to get away from.

:kick::kick::kick:

[merh]

63. Sadly there are not enough who see beyond the image.

That is obvious given the close election results, close enough that stealing some in certain areas gave them their monarch.

If image didn't matter, if what is projected wasn't a consideration wouldn't DennisK have a better shot at the job than what he is perceived to have?

If these politicians want to be taken seriously, they have to take the race and themselves seriously and get in touch with what the public wants and needs.

Our dems have done a poor job of reminded this administration and the MSM of the obvious. They were given the power in Congress because folks want a change and don't want to be in war. Every time this admin says "veto" they need to remind the president that he, like them, work for the people and it isn't about what he wants or what his generals want, it is about what the people want. Just because the admin wants to be the world bully doesn't mean that is what the citizens want and they work for us.

And the dems have to get smart, give them their funding but write the legislation to include tax increases that go directly to the war funding and no where else. Write legislation that provides for a nationwide vote on a nonbinding referendum on the taxes and the war. Popular vote on paper ballots. No deadline to hand count the ballots, just that the ballots are hand counted. Put it to the people once and for all and stop the politics and the manipulation.

Of course, I am now just posting wishful thinking.

The image that the politicians project is what the people react to and support. Not everyone is a political junky like you and me. They are just now learning that the admin warped the intelligence and ignored the facts. How long have you known that?

[loudsue]

65. Everything you say is absolutely true. And I know that Gravel & Kucinich

don't have an ice cube's chance in hell to be the Dem nominee. In fact, those who own the vote counting machines are the ONLY ones who will determine who the Dem candidate is in the end....not the people who vote in the primaries.

That said, I think that if there is a big grass-roots effort to fund the Kucinich and Gravel campaigns, if for no other reason than to put them more into the forefront during the primaries, then there has been a greater purpose served.

Obama & Hillary & Edwards are getting the big money from the big donors. Kucinich and Gravel will NEVER get those sources over to their side. But I would really like to see the message sent from the grass-roots that we hear what Kucinich and Gravel stand for, and "we approve this message", if you know what I mean.

Once the primary is over, we can work for whoever Diebold & ES&S & Triad hand us as the candidate, and make sure enough of us turn out to vote that it helps screw up karl rove's plans for which elections to steal.

It's a truly sad state of affairs, and a complex, complicated one we are dealing with.

:kick::kick::kick:

[AzDar]

57. K & R n/t

[Kurts Girl]

62. G and K or K and G

I can't make up my mind. Gravel and Kucinich or Kucinich and Gravel?

[NastyDiaper]

61. Ike's closing address:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5407.htm

Hartung, William D. "Eisenhower's Warning: The Military-Industrial Complex Forty Years Later". World Policy Journal 18, no. 1 (Spring 2001).

Spring 2001. Not soon before we responded to UBL's attack by letting the complex raid our treasury.

[Lord Balto]

70. Don't tell me about Eisenhower...

Eisenhower let Joe McCarthy ruin hundreds of people's lives until the pre-neocon idiot got around to picking on Eisenhower's army buddies. So what did Ike DO while he was president to reign in the military-industrial complex beyond making a speech when he no longer had any power? Don't tell me about Eisenhower. Adlai Stevenson would have made a much better president.

[jgraz]

66. Sent him $50

The longer he stays in the race, the better off we are.

[Kansas Wyatt]

67. While all other candidates are careful to not upset 'The Powers That Be'

Gravel says exactly what the American People need to hear and need to know. Therefore, 'The Powers That Be' will never allow such an individual, such as Gravel, to incite the American People into reclaiming their country.

This country has been turned into a marketing racket and a fraud against the American People, to benefit the privileged few.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

72. Yes we need more 'Rottweillers' (not weather vanes)

He does a good job.

We need more to stand up for the people instead of 'weather vanes' I think we need to tell Democrats to stand up for their values and policies instead of seeing which way the wind is blowing!

[butterfly77]

68. K&R...

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. After studying his website

his flat tax leaves me cold... as in very cold... as in extremely regresive

It is a badly implemented VAT by another name.

After that I put away the credit card, he had me until THAT point

[MADem]

73. I've lived in VAT countries, and it SUCKS. It really is a tax that weighs on the

poor heaviest, as the middle class as well.

Unless taxes are progressive, they just grind down the least of our brethren.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. The problem is that many folks are really not thinking this

through.

Something like Canada has is workable since it is actually progressive

Their VAT literally changes in percentage by goods (And they still have national taxes anyway)

But if you are buying basic goods needed for survival, no bs about a federal program to calculate how much you spend... rather they are lightly taxed (Mexico simply doesn't tax those goods, including medicines). Now if this is a luxury good, prepare to pay trough the nose... but hey, it is you who wanted that boat, right? And boats are NOT everyday needed goods.

Of course Cnnucks get a lot from their service fees... but that is a mixture I'd be willing to give the time of day. HIS program, as it stands right now, no thank you

[MADem]

84. You're right. His tax plan would kick his cheerleaders right between the eyes, too.

They just are not seeing it...

[Pharaoh]

74. he is speaking to sane people

he does'nt have a chance to be elected, but he is speaking truth over the sacred airwaves.............for that he is an awakened human being.

[133724]

75. OMG a candidate that actually thinks???? Unprecedented!!!! n/t

[puebloknot]

77. The clear voice of a seasoned elder statesman!

No posturing for the camera, just simple truth.

Bring him on!

And yes, I support Dennis Kucinich. Let's get them together!

[SlipperySlope]

78. K&R

[BeHereNow]

79. Kicking for the Saturday Night DU Crew

I meant what I said...I am going to kick this thread
until EVERYONE watches his video clips on what MATTERS.
BHN:toast:

[Name removed]

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[StefanX]

85. Gravel is great!

I feel so uninformed for never having heard of him till now.