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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:47 PM
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Need help debunking Kronick UCSD (nobody dies from lack of healthcare)
"The possibility that no one risks death by going without health insurance may be startling, but some research supports it. Richard Kronick of the University of California at San Diego’s Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, an adviser to the Clinton administration, recently published the results of what may be the largest and most comprehensive analysis yet done of the effect of insurance on mortality. He used a sample of more than 600,000, and controlled not only for the standard factors, but for how long the subjects went without insurance, whether their disease was particularly amenable to early intervention, and even whether they lived in a mobile home. In test after test, he found no significantly elevated risk of death among the uninsured. "

http://www.politifactfla.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/aug/20/second-opinion-deaths-totals-uninsured/
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:49 PM
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1. what that means is: our health insurance is so crappy, it makes no difference.
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 09:49 PM by provis99
You'll die with or without health insurance, because the health insurance industry won't cover you if you get sick.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:49 PM
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2. Here's one:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 10:44 PM
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3. Kronick's study has been used to debunk the IOM's 2002 study.
But the IOM revisited the issue in 2009 and confirmed that their conclusions were correct. The lack of health insurance does contribute to an elevated risk of death.

You can read the 2009 study here: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12511&page=1
The Institute of Medicine's results were confirmed by a recent Harvard Medical school study (unfortunately I can't find the entire study - only the abstract) http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/short/99/12/2289

And you can read a short summary of the results here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/all_you_ever_wanted_to_know_ab_1.html

The above link contains this critique of Kronick's methodology:
"Kronick’s study had its own problems because, as his paper alludes, he was not able to address a critically important methodological issue—namely, that people in poor health are more likely to seek health insurance, which obscures any positive relationship between health insurance and health status. Studies that adjust for this factor have found a statistically and quantitatively significant relationship between lack of insurance and increased mortality risk. "
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