DUers in denial: They own the media, they own the voting systems

[happy_liberal]

They create reality now.

Sarah Palin/Cheney 2012 is a very real possiblity and we better stop bashing her and figure out what we are going to do to stop them!

[Vincardog]

1. Well we could force our 'leaders' to vote like Democrats. That is the best thing we can do to foil

failin Pailin's plans.

[happy_liberal]

7. I agree

We need to stop bashing the dems because that helps provide the propaganda needed, and instead pressure the dems to become the party this country needs and deserves.

[KansDem]

2. Which Cheney?

Dick or Liz?

[happy_liberal]

24. Dick! He is going to find that no one can serve as VP quite as well as him

just like with George W.

He gets a full hour on MTP next sunday.

[FrenchieCat]

Is this like calling out DUers?

Why make it so specific.

and isn't bashing one of the ways to stop a freak show?

[happy_liberal]

11. Reading through the threads I see many Duers in denail

As if George W was voted into office or something...they don't need the votes, they need the political climate created by their media propaganda, and then the vote is left to whomever does the counting.

I don't think the bashing is helping...the more we hate on Sarah, the more the pubes support her.

[SpiralHawk]

3. And THEY are occultly shoving genetically mutant food down your gullet

Because it's everywhere, it's unlabeled, and RepubliconMinded profiteers don't give a shit that America is now spenidn 22% of its wealth each year on health care necessitated by crappy food.

[Robb]

4. If they create reality, we'd best give up.

I don't want to get on the wrong side of these powerful sorcerers you describe. :eyes:

[TheKentuckian]

6. It is naive to pretend they don't drastically control the perception and framing of events

and personalities.

You are being overly literal to avoid the very real point being made. Reality is heavily filtered and/or often flat out ignored in favor of the perception that is desired.

[Robb]

23. And yet, somehow, "we" are immune?

We rise above it all, why, exactly? Is the rest of the country a bunch of ninnies?

[Echo In Light]

5. Basically I agree. The entire thing is a rigged show, the 2 parties like pro wrestling 'enemies'

[DCBob]

8. If "they" own the media and the voting systems then......

time to move elsewhere.

[happy_liberal]

13. Time to take our media and voting systems back

:spank:

[timeforpeace]

14. OK, let's hear your ideas on how to do that. Be specific.

[Fly by night]

38. Re media: reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine. Re voting: Pass the Holt bill.

'Nuf said.

[aquart]

9. "They" always did. No poor man ever owned a newspaper.

I always thought the Bible quote was quite wrong. It isn't the poor who will always be with us, it's the rich.

[happy_liberal]

15. We use to have a bit more of a free press

Just twenty years ago Corporations and politicians could not get away with the overt corruption that we see today.
We use to have real reporters, investigations etc before it was morphed into Katie Couric entertainment news.

[aquart]

43. Watergate was journalism's brief shining hour.

I'm guessing you don't remember how hard it was to get the case taken seriously.

[cbdo2007]

10. Then how did Obama win?

[timeforpeace]

16. Thank you for that dose of sanity.

[happy_liberal]

18. They let Obama win so they would have someone to blame everything on

I thought that was pretty obvious by now.

He is continuing most of their 'work', Cheney has his stay behinds in all agencies ready to go...they are enjoying all the bashing of Obama for the horrible conditions they have created in the nation, then they will steal it all back in a new 'Newt Gingrich' type Republican revolution.

[Robb]

32. LOL

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. That reply got you an unrec, because it's stupid

You're being paranoid now. You may as well be invoking the Illuminati. Stop being so negative, and rejoin the real world.

[happy_liberal]

39. I hope I am wrong

maybe I'm just being negative...

[pampango]

22. It's a very complicated conspiracy, don't you know? And not a very effective one at times, since

it allowed McCain/Palin to lose and for the repubs to lose the House and Senate, too. Not to worry, though. When Democrats do win, it's just another part of the conspiracy. "They" have to allow us to win occasionally (so that the "sheeple" don't wise up, you know) so "they" make sure that the Democratic winners are moderates/conservatives or, if not, are hamstrung by the mod/cons around them. When it's our "turn" to win, "they" ease up on their media control and reprogram the voting machines to make sure it happens. Then things return to normal so that repubs win in 2010 and 2012, ... unless they don't and Democrats retain control of congress this year and Obama gets reelected in 2012. That would just mean that the conspiracy is even more complicated than I realize and "they" are playing 3-D chess way beyond by ability to understand.

I hope you understand now. :)

[Echo In Light]

25. Corporate interests needed a friendlier face after Bush/Cheney

[Ozymanithrax]

12. Cheney will not be Palin's running mate...

It will be Palin/Jesus all the way. After all, who needs a bucket of warm spit to go to state funerals anyway.

[Ganja Ninja]

17. I refuse to live in fear of Sarah Palin.

She'll hurt them as much as she'll hurt me so if the dumb asses want to go there I say bring her on. That will make 2 utterly stupid excuses for president in a row that the right will have forced the nation to endure. Four years under her will make even Bush 43 seem competent.

[texastoast]

19. That's the point

You needn't live in fear of Sarah.

But we all need to respect the level of stupidity of the people who would cast their ballots for her. And there are millions.

[Echo In Light]

26. AND the millions who would smugly dismiss another illegal RW installation

[happy_liberal]

42. yes

!

[happy_liberal]

21. They also write the history books

It doesn't matter how stupid George W was, they are already rewriting history to show him as a great leader. He was quoted as saying that Iraq 'wouldn't let the inspectors in' before we bombed them, and even that wasn't enough to show he had no clue what was even going on. Sarah could be the biggest fuckup since George W, but still will be painted as a great leader, well loved by the American people.

It is not about living in fear of Palin, it is about living in the very real reality that our media is controlling perception and helping to steal our elections.

We cannot just go one pretending all is okay. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.

[Echo In Light]

28. You're on the correct track...although it's obviously a highly unpopular thing to suss a rigged game

... among those who enjoy the game as-is

[RedCloud]

20. Calling Sarah Stalin/Dick Chain Knee. I fear thee not!

[happy_liberal]

34. I am not afraid of Sarah but I am afraid....

that they will steal the elections 2010 and 2012 for the Republicans and then use it to spread their propaganda/stupidity/war of terror/Homeland 'Security' even further and put the final nail in the coffin for the USA.

Look at the media now...why did we hear so much about a speech to 500 people? Why is everything Sarah does ALLways covered? Why is Cheney still all over the media when we know he needs his privacy? It is all about creating the propaganda needed for election 2012. Corrupt people are still in control and they are not going to stop stealing elections and directing the US treasury to their corporations.

[Doctor_J]

27. Yup. Denial is epidemic

Our few opportunities in Big media should ALL be spent calling her a liar. Of course anyone who uses that word about Palin will get yanked off the air, but it should be said anyway.

[zbdent]

29. been saying that about the "liberal media"

and I got "ignored" (recent example pointed out to me) for saying so ...

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Sorry, they do not create reality not now, not ever

And not however much you might hope for it to be. I can tell you this, if I could create reality, one feature of that reality would be an audience of more than 600 people. Just saying. If that panics you, feel free to run screaming around the room. Shout, whatever. I'll not be joining in your desire to promote a woman who plays half empty banquet rooms. Sorry. Enjoy your freak out, or love fest to the right or whatever this is.

[Echo In Light]

31. Necessary Illusions: Thought Control in Democratic Societies, Noam Chomsky 1989

Just a little background into the not-so-distant past:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/Necessary_Illusions.html

[Bluenorthwest]

40. I'm familiar with Chomsky's writings.

And I do not recall that he used many of these 'He is all powerful. He must not be laughed at, he must be feared for he creates the world in which you live' concepts.
It is really a leap to take the pro Republican fear based framing of the OP and compare it to Chomsky, really. He who creates reality does not have bad gums. That is also not Chomsky. She who creates reality plays to more than 600 people, in something other than a dining hall. At least, when I create my reality, I don't play to a handful of sad sacks. So if they create reality, they are like Toonces, not very good at it.
Karl Rove used to create reality, as I recall. I guess that wore off because now he's bald pulp on a cable show. No one creates that to live in.
Maybe they are outsourcing the creation of reality. That would explain a lot. Maybe that's it.

[Echo In Light]

41. I'm unsure of what you're taking issue with, b/c, yes, propaganda does create "reality" for many

... a la "The Big Lie," and all the more reinforced when the perception is that - a tactic often employed by M$M - everyone abides whatever info/data is being sold to the public mind. Perhaps I'm speaking more so to the usage and overall effectiveness of political/ideological propaganda in general as opposed to any one sticking point addressed by the OP.

[happy_liberal]

33. Why did the media even show the speech?

Why were half the threads on DU about Sarah Palin for two days?

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. Stop bashing her? Never. She need to be bashed. She's a quitter.

She's not good enough to be president. She wasn't good enough to stay as Alaskan governor. Again and again, she shows she is too incompetent to be given public office. She's a greedy egomaniac who wants attention and fame, but has no ideas.

Bashing her is the way to stop her. Remind Republicans, every time you can, that she quit public office so that she could sell her book. Remind Independents she's the stupidest politician, possibly of all time, and certainly still in politics. Remind Democrats she an evil bastard who'd take away the basic rights of women and homosexuals, and wowuld destroy the environment of the whole world.

Bash her. Every chance you get.

[NoPasaran]

36. Oh for the love of fucking god

Not this defeatist shit again