Anybody like the sound of GORE/KUCINICH?!

[spooked]

Just dreaming...

[valerief]

1. I love it! nt

[mmonk]

2. Well of course.

But we're not on Fantasy Island.

[AnOhioan]

3. Sounds fantastic to me

Dennis is my choice right now. But if Gore were to step in (doubtful) I would have to support him.

[MedleyMisty]

4. Now there's a ticket I could vote for.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. Why?

I don't understand how Kucinich fans can like Al Gore.

They are polar opposites on issues of trade. Gore was THE point man in the clinton administration for NAFTA, china-MFN, WTO and fast-track.

[MedleyMisty]

7. I think it's okay

for a president and vice president to disagree on some things.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. some things, yes

but they're so vocally on opposite sides of this issue, and it's very important to both of them.

[AnOhioan]

8. That was then, this is now

I would not be surprised to learn that Gore has seen the light regarding trade.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. Has he ever said anything of the sort?

It would be an amazing turn-around, if so. Remember Al Gore debating Ross Perot on NAFTA? Gore was the biggest free-trader in the Clinton administration.

[Labors of Hercules]

20. That's called "doing his job".

He did his job well. Calling him the "biggest free-trader" doesn't gel with what he has said and done after leaving office.

[MonkeyFunk]

25. Can you tell me

where Gore has renounced his previous positions on free trade?

[Labors of Hercules]

30. no, because he hasn't, but the issue is the use of the term "free-trader"...

in it's negative connotation, which if you look at http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Gore_Free_Trade.htm">Gore's take on Free trade, doesn't accurately reflect his stance at all.

[MonkeyFunk]

41. I didn't mean to use the term

in a derogatory fashion. My views on the issue are much closer to Gore's than Kucinich's.

[Labors of Hercules]

47. That works for me!

:toast:

[sellitman]

16. Both men are fans of one another

Dennis would back Gore in a second. I know this from personal conversations with Dennis. VP's never agree with their Presidents on everything. It's natural.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. So Kucinich

would become a free-trader?

[sellitman]

21. No....he is against Nafta big time but it wouldn't be his call.

Look at it this way..


Gore picked a Repuke last time out as a VP.....picking Dennis might balance that out....lol

[MonkeyFunk]

24. well

you're wrong on a few points. Lieberman was/is a moderate Democrat, not a republican.

And picking Kucinich would be electoral suicide.

[sellitman]

27. Lieberman a Democrat?

I'm from Connecticut and Lieberman hasn't been a Democrat for years. If he was just moderate I could live with him but he is the most Conservative asshat I know. As for Dennis....I'd love to see the Liberal moniker around our necks....it's becoming very fashionable don't you know?

[MonkeyFunk]

28. I have no problem

with Kucinich being a liberal. It's being a fringe woo-woo that I have a problem with.

[sellitman]

45. I had the same reservations last time out but....

Dennis seems to have matured of late and the most important part of any candidate is the message. His is spot on.

[jobycom]

37. I doubt Gore has changed his views much, but there is a lot of common ground

on that issue. At its best, free trade helps struggling nations by allowing their own entrepeneurs a larger world market, and it pumps money into poor economies, ultimately bringing the rest of the world to our level (even if it does depress our level to some degree). That's a progressive's wet dream, or at least progressives who see the global structure as more important than the American structure. The problem isn't the concept of free trade, so much as the complete non-regulation of the way it is carried out now.

At its worst, of course, free trade brings exploitation to struggling nations too weak to fend it off, and it replaces struggling local employers with multi-national corporations who cut wages and benefits. It also allows regulations to be skirted, responsibilities to be shirked, etc.

I think both Gore and Kucinich would support those positives and oppose those negatives. The difference is that Kucinich doesn't (I assume) believe it is possibel to work free trade to achieve the positives and eliminate the negatives, whereas Gore (based on his Perot debate) does.

If they start from the assumption that the free trade agreements won't be overturned, then the best solution is to minimize the negatives and enhance the positives, and on the specific issues within that paradigm, I suspect that Gore and Kucinich would agree. So Kucinich would have to yield a little, but not do a 180. He could even approach it skeptically, with the attitude "I don't believe it can work, but IF it's possible, this is what we need to do."

Still not my dream ticket, but that issue could be worked out. There have been bigger positional differences on successful tickets.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. I agree to a large degree

but one of Kucinich's most vocal positions is the immediate withdrawal from NAFTA. There's not a lot of wiggle room there.

[jobycom]

40. No, he'd have to soften that. But Kucinich is less pure and more flexible than his supporters recall

Remember his about-face on abortion in 2003, and his lessening of his religious iconography in his campaign speeches.

[mike_c]

6. my. dream. ticket.

That's the one I'd sell my first born for.

[Bicoastal]

9. Place any current candidate's name behind Gore's on a ticket...

...sounds pretty good to me!

[Labors of Hercules]

32. AMEN TO THAT!

[MadBadger]

10. If we want to lose, then Sure!

[spooked]

12. Why do you say that and what would be YOUR ideal ticket?

just curious...

[MadBadger]

17. I think Kucinich is too radical to win a general election, even as a VP

Gore/Obama would be a fantastic ticket.

[Labors of Hercules]

34. or Gore/Edwards? When it comes to candidates, WE RECYLE!!!

Wooohooo!:woohoo:

[jefferson_dem]

23. Like him or not, Kucinich is too "extreme" and will never ever be selected for the veep slot.

n/t.

[tavalon]

11. More than you could imagine

Dennis deserves a chance at the Presidency but he is unelectable so this would be the way to get him the exposure that could eventually lead to him being President.

Honestly though, any of the current candidates (with the exception of Hillary Clinton) as a second to Gore sounds great to me.

[Canuckistanian]

13. That sounds like heaven

And probably just as unattainable.

[BlooInBloo]

18. Nnnnnope. Gore/Any other non-fringe candidate though is wonderful...

Fringe = Biden, Kucinich, Gravel.

[jobycom]

22. Is he thinking of adopting Gore Vidal?

:shrug:

Seriously, I don't know what Kucinich would bring to a Gore ticket. Gore would already have a lot of the progressive vote (which is ironic considering how badly the progressives used to shred him around here). Kucinich's geographic base is too regional to matter (It might be different if he could carry Ohio for Gore). I don't see how that would help Gore. It would help Kucinich, obviously, but Gore would need someone to draw voters that he wouldn't already get, regionally or demographically or politically. Or he would need a superstar to accentuate his own draw. I don't see how Kucinich does that.

Edwards would accentuate Gore (the way Gore did for Clinton), Obama and Clinton would add demographic boosts, though they are both demographics we already get. Gore needs someone who either pulls really well in the south (Clark, maybe?), or someone who can speak to independents (Clinton, Richardson).

I don't know. None of those are great matchups for him, really. I don't see Kucinich as that good for him. On the ticket, I mean. Kucinich's support would help him.

Of course, if Gore got the nomination and chose Kucinich, I'd be all like "DENNIS DAH MAN!!!" :)

[bpeale]

26. nope

[Raksha]

29. I like it...A LOT! I can't imagine a better ticket.

I agree with Dennis Kucinich on virtually every issue but let's face it--he just isn't a superstar and could never win the general election. Al Gore, OTOH...

[StarryNite]

31. I absolutely love it!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[zanne]

33. I don't think Kucinich would go for it.

He's small, but he kicks ass. No vice-presidency for him.

[lonestarnot]

35. Oh hell yeah! Hell yeah!

Now there is the ticket!

[spooked]

39. I like your enthusiasm!

Where can I get the bumper sticker?!

[Pastiche423]

36. They are my fantasy team!

The world needs them.

[HeeBGBz]

42. That would rock. n/t

[InvisibleTouch]

43. That would truly be the best of all worlds.

I don't think it'll happen, but one can dream!

[magellan]

44. That'd do me!

I'd prefer to see Kucinich as president, but only marginally more than Gore and unfortunately it's a lot less likely. Gore/Kucinich would be a dream! Man, what I wouldn't give to see that ticket, they'd win hands down!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

46. Gore / Anybody

Gore / Hillary
Gore / BigDog
Gore / Lieberman
Gore / Nader
Gore / Anybody

(just kidding about nader or lieberman, no need to flame) :rofl:

[Jade Fox]

48. Aye, brotha!!

Sorry, I'm channeling Desmond from "LOST".

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. I DO! I also like the sound of Gore/Obama...probably moreso than Gore/Kucinich

because it's a ticket that would win BIG!

[lovuian]

50. I love it

Gore would have somebody he could trust