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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:10 AM
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I think HCR is dying because...

...it started out, and always was intended, as a give-away to the health insurance industry.
More corporate welfare is not popular with the people.

Notice how any hint of a single-payer/public option and reform popularity skyrockets.
Without an affordable government insurance program that is accessible to all (and covers medical, dental, and vision) there can be no true reform.

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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:19 AM
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1. I would add
and covers mental health
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:21 AM
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2. I only assumed that so...

...good call!
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:22 AM
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3. The reason why HCR is dying, is cuz we watched the sausage being ground
and saw the meat picked off the bone, till the only thing left is the carcass. the bill got worse and worse, as we payed attention. This is Not how legislation should be sold.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:26 AM
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4. You're preaching to the choir here.
We all know that taking the profit out of basic health insurance is the best solution. Obama and the Democratic leadership know it too, but they made the decision at the beginning to keep the for-profit insurance companies in the game. The outcome was preordained.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:30 AM
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5. SHRED 'em with logic
Right. The bailout of crappy insurance companies has been postponed. They did bet a huge benefit out of this. Most of them jacked their prices way up in "anticipation" of health care reform and they weren't called on it.

As for the people who "rule" us, we are nothing to them.

We're not even worth throwing under the bus.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:36 AM
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6. The prerequisite
has to be bringing down the cost of care - and NOT by squeezing doctors and other providers yet again. It has to come out of the insurance bureaucracy, the litigation industry, and the pharmas - that's where all the waste is going, these people have set up an epic scam that costs an obscene amount of money and filters very little down to the people actually needing care.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:39 AM
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7. I don't think it was ever alive except
in the minds of us who wanted to feel the government would actually do its job. Sometimes I feel I have wasted over a year being upbeat and having a positive attitude toward our government. I suppose it does not actually matter what party is in charge. I feel like an empty bag of potato chips that has been thrown on the ground and now is being swept up to put in the trash.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:53 AM
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10. I share your feelings

But somehow I hold out hope because our government is still better than total corporate rule although it's getting more difficult to tell the difference.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:40 AM
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8. I don't know what part of this they don't get nt
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:52 AM
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9. It was never going to pass. This was a huge waste of Obama's political capital.
The focus should have been on job creation first thing.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 11:54 AM
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11. Totally agree


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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:12 PM
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12. I can't imagine obama was ever on our side on this.
The blunders were so massive they just couldn't have been an accident.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:15 PM
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13. His stated objective was that the insurance Parasites not be harmed. That is like an exterminator sa...
his prime focus is that the vermin not be harmed.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:38 PM
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15. Even though...
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 12:43 PM by SHRED

...poll after poll showed wide public support for an inclusive government insurance to compete with the private sector.

What the fuck was he thinking?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:57 PM
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17. He was thinking his corporate masters would not be pleased it they were not allowed to rape us
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:32 PM
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14. We demanded it. n/t
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thotzRthingz Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:44 PM
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16. k&r ... I agree that it will be an uphill battle, but it can be done... see:

my thread:

list of 120 members of the HOUSE who want the Senate to pass the PUBLIC OPTION...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7629641

...join the cause, and pass the word! If we are not willing to FIGHT for it, then why should our representatives?
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