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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:39 PM
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Poll question: Let's get down to brass tacks then.
Given Obama's record so far, if he announces a three year spending freeze, sans military and security spending, will you vote for him, either in the primary or the general?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:46 PM
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1. FYI
It's Dekker...not Decker.

http://www.desmonddekker.com /

RIP, Desmond.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:50 PM
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5. Thanks for the FYI
I've seen it both ways, but nice to know the definitive spelling.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:47 PM
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2. Nader supporters are going to love this poll
Btw, IBTL :popcorn:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:49 PM
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3. I figure it's a valid question
After all, this is a democracy where supposedly the wishes of the people are listened to and acted on. So far I don't see that this administration is listening.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:56 PM
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9. Are we allowed to discuss this here?
I get confused. Some days puppies are out and then they're back in. My head hoits. :hug:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:00 PM
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12. Sorry about hurting your head
I just want to cut to the chase that's all.

But hey, I like pups, I've got three myself. They're grown up pups now, but still lots of fun.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:50 AM
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40. There he is.....
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 10:53 AM by blindpig


the boogieman
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:49 PM
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4. Of course I will vote for him in the general
Unless some very cool party that represented Dem ideals better came out of nowhere with a real chance to win.

Chance of that = 0%

So yeah, I expect I'll be voting for him if he is our nominee.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:53 PM
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8. Well, of course if you continue to go with the same ol' same ol'
Then that chance is zero.

My reason for this poll is to find out just how much abuse people in this party will take. With the real possibilities of a Democrat cutting Social Security and now this spending freeze how many people can vote for this man and still call themselves a sane Democrat.

That dime's worth of difference has officially shrunk to two cents.

You want real change, you have got to make it happen, one way or another.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:50 PM
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6. wow. it's already 2012. gee, here's a novel idea:
I'll make up my mind when we get there.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:57 PM
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10. Really?
What, is this first year a mulligan? A three year spending freeze is going to be literally killing people in 2012.

Besides, don't you think that there is something fundamentally wrong with an administration that will sacrifice its own populace on the altar of war? To me, that's one of those biggies, you don't get past that one, you don't pass go, you don't get to win the election. But hey, that's me, darn those pesky ethics and all.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:24 PM
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19. I think it's too early to make up my mind and that there are too many variables
really.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:29 PM
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20. Will you vote for Obama if he is the Dem candidate?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:33 PM
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21. No, I won't
By some definitions, insanity is when you keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result every time. I'm through with engaging in that kind of insanity.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:34 PM
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22. Who will you vote for? Person or party. Who will you advise others to vote for?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:38 PM
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23. LOL, nice try there
:evilgrin:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:39 PM
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24. If you won't vote for the dem candidate, what will you do?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:43 PM
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25. I will bestow my vote as I see fit
Now give it up, you've overplayed your hand.

Besides, I'm now enjoying the music of Sonos, they do a really interesting arrangement of MJ's "I Want You Back". Not a light, frothy version, but much more stalkerish. Kind of cool.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:46 PM
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27. 1 more kick to see how many Duers won't vote for the dem pres candidate if it's Obama
someday I wish to vote for the person I want, not against the other.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:50 PM
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28. You can, it's just a matter of consulting your own ethics and morals
Then making your mark.

That is, after all, how a democracy works. We vote for the person who most closely represents our beliefs and ethics.

Try it sometime.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:59 PM
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30. Yup, voting for Nader sure did a good thing for the world. eom
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:01 PM
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31. Funny thing, how his dime's worth of difference is now looking more like two cents
Really now, a spending freeze, cutting Social Security, how Republican can you get?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:51 PM
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7. I seriously doubt he'll run again n/t
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:57 PM
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11. And then the birthers will howl and tear at their clothes
I don't think I could handle all that so I do hope he runs for a second term.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:03 PM
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13. Obama was a good guy...
Any politician who included "restore Habeas Corpus" in his Blueprint for America--was a candidate
who knew that our democracy was in trouble and wanted to change it.

Whatever has its talons around our country, is bigger than the Presidency.

I believe Obama is totally powerless to render any meaningful change. He wasn't even supposed to win.
Hillary was their inevitable one on the left and McCain was their boy on the right. Obama surprised
them and won Iowa and Hillary surprised them and came in third in Iowa.

I'm sure Obama has been told---Go too far and we'll destroy you. Does anyone actually believe that
the stock marketing tanking on the day that Obama announced tougher regs on banks--is really a coincidence?
These people can move markets and give a nod to their financial talking heads--who will ask a thousand
times a day, "Is Obama going to far with his liberal regulations on banks and how will his destruction of
the economy affect the middle class?"

Oh please. It's over. Either Obama wont' run, because he won't want to be a part of it--or he'll acquiesce and
do their bidding. Either way, we lose. It's so over. Anyone who doesn't see this need a big ol bowl of reality.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:09 PM
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16. I agree,
However the question is do we continue to use our votes to play their game, and thus acquiesce to Corporate America, or do we take the control of the wheel of change and do so peacefully? If we don't do that now, then it will happen later, only violently and destructively. I would rather avoid that scenario.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:05 PM
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14. You know, I'm kind of that persuation myself.
He's just destroying his base in almost a deliberate way. Fuck up the HCR, double down on the war, cut SS, freeze spending, on all these issues he is alienating large chunks of his voting bloc.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:06 PM
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15. 19 DUers won't vote for the dem candidate if it is Obama. Whew
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:11 PM
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17. Well, gee, this has only been up a little while,
And as we all know of the art of polling, it's all based on samples. Granted, in a poll like this your margin of error is going to be large, but that doesn't mean that the poll itself isn't useful. But hey, thanks for kicking it up.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:15 PM
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18. I'll hold my nose and vote for him over any Republican.
As bad and as disappointing as his first year has been, it's still light years better than Dubya's best year.

I gave as much money as I could afford and volunteered for Obama last time around, though, and I can't imagine I'll be motivated to do anything like that in 2012.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:44 PM
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26. Damn liberals, now they want to tax brass!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:52 PM
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29. LOL!
:rofl:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:58 AM
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32. Kick for the morning n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:27 AM
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33. And again, n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:28 AM
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34. 'primary' and 'general' are two separate issues.
As things stand I will not vote for Obama in the primaries. Then again I didn't last time either. In the general election I will reluctantly cast my vote for the compromised center right kleptocratic nominee of the Democratic Party.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:36 AM
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35. Well, there is always that one definition of insanity
Doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result each time.

I think that it's time this country stopped acting in such an insane manner. We need real change in this country, desperately and quickly, not more of the same ol' same ol' faux change.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:06 AM
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36. Well, it's always real easy to accuse others of practicing insanity
at the same time as NOT divulging how one would vote himself.

One of those "gotcha" moments, I believe.


Here's another example of insanity...either voting for a third party candidate we KNOW will never be elected, or not voting at all.

It all boils down to the same thing, doesn't it...it pretty much turns out the same way each time, even when we think we're being so honorable in following our inner moral compasses.


Like someone said upthread, people who voted for Ralph Nader really ended up changing the world for the better, didn't they?


They got the chance to feel all morally superior, and in the process, they likely fucked over this whole country for a long time to come. And they'd probably do it again. And again. And again. Because, you know, it's really all about THEIR conscience. Nothing else.

What sickening selfishness. If we didn't have polls actually showing what chances a particular candidate has of winning, then I could understand.

But voting for someone we KNOW can't win? And doing it time after time?

THAT is yet another example of insanity, and doesn't earn anyone a medal for taking the high road.



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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:41 AM
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38. Thank you.
Seriously, thank you, good to see there are still others here with good sense.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:12 AM
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37. I'll vote for the most progressive, anti-war, candidate on the ballot.
If there isn't one listed, I'll write one in.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:44 AM
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39. +1
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