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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:19 PM
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Why not a WPA type program?
How much crumbling transportation infrastructure do we have in this country?
Why not actually EMPLOY out-of-work people to fix it?
Don't give me shit about how impractical it is...we did it before...find a way to do it and make it happen.
Tangible results that will help people whose eyes glaze over at targetted tax credits.
What's stopping this?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:22 PM
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1. The system is broken if one party decides to
say no to everything nothing can be done.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:22 PM
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2. Direct government intervention defies the Neoliberal mindset.
They think that only the market creates jobs and so the government should help only the rich in order to help their people. Government intervention would also show how utterly useless our capitalist class is, and they do not want that.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:23 PM
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3. yeah, why not ?
we're afraid of the pukes that's why
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:27 PM
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4. Things have to get MUCH worse
A LARGE percentage of Americans have to be in a soup line, political party irrelevant, but no political party will go unblamed.

Then it becomes reality.
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babyblonde Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:28 PM
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17. foodstamps
are silent,HIDDEN souplines,and 1/4 of the country uses them
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:32 PM
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5. "We don't have the votes"
Same damn excuse for every good idea we can't do.
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jtuck004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:32 PM
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6. Would give people work...

Reason to get up in the morning, purpose - it's a good idea.

Would you pay them 25,000 a year? Might be enough for some to live on. Plus health care, say 800 a month. How many, 5 million people? At a minimum that is 125 billion, plus the medical at 42 billion (though you might could get a discount coupon for that one <G>, plus some death benefits and and large medical care for a few that get hurt or killed in your employ - another bit of money

So, say about 170 to 200 billion per year.

What else can you take out of the budget? You could run the debt up some more, or try raising taxes. What else costs 170 billion per year. What is the cost to have all these people not working? And they would certainly spend nearly all of it, which would do some good for food and soap companies. Several intangible benefits.



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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:34 PM
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7. These are the kinds of things that I would have expected from a "stimulus"
under a government that is run by a party I was expecting to be the voice of PEOPLE.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:41 PM
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12. Good points all, jtuck004. And welcome to DU. nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:37 PM
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8. That would a Democratic program. They're only doing Republican programs for now.
Don't ask me why.

Maybe that's what happens when your economic advisers don't know what a Jefferson-Jackson dinner is.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:38 PM
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9. The Republicans wouldn't like it,
and Obama would never, ever dream of doing something that might offend them.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:39 PM
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10. It's not "deficit neurtral"
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 PM by dflprincess
and we can't take money away from the war machine for it.

Every summer the Minnesota DUers have a picnic at Minnehaha Park where a lot of of the stone work (including bridges and walls) was done by the WPA. We sit on stone picnic benches that have "WPA" carved into them.

Seventy years ago FDR decided to invest in the country and one of the things we got for the money he spent was a beautiful urban park with structures that stand to this day (though some of stonework near the falls is eroding and needs fixing).

The WPA in Minnesota: economic stimulus during the Great Depression


..To its conservative critics, the WPA was just another big government boondoggle. But to its supporters,
this federal jobs initiative brought a modest weekly income and self-respect to millions of out-of-work
Americans who were the chief victims of the Great Depression.

WPA dollars began to reach Minnesota in late 1935, five months after the authorizing legislation was
approved in Washington. During the program's first month, in September of that year, slightly more than
4,000 Minnesotans were put to work on public improvement projects at a scattering of job sites throughout
the state. Three months later, that number had shot up to more than 56,000.

Its labor-intensive improvements at park and parkway sites provided a good fit for the federal program,
with its emphasis on small-scale construction projects that could be implemented quickly and employ large
numbers of the unskilled and semi-skilled men. Seventy five years later, many of these improvements are
still in place at sites such as Minnehaha Park, Theodore Wirth Park and Victory Memorial Drive.

By 1942, the WPA in Minneapolis had paved 60 miles of streets, curbs and gutters; installed 64,000
traffic signs; built 313,000 feet of sewers; and reconditioned 113 public schools. In addition to these
visible public-works projects, the federal program also funded indoor jobs for white-collar men and women,
who were put to work indexing newspaper articles for the local libraries, organizing the Health
Department's birth records and updating the city assessor's plat maps. More jobs were provided through
the Federal One project, which funded the arts. This federal initiative supported outdoor theater
performances at city parks, band concerts at Lake Harriet and an extensive educational program at the
Minneapolis Art Center.

Now, in 2009, as this country faces its most severe economic crisis since the Great Depression, shovels
are being rediscovered. As plans move forward in Washington for a massive economic stimulus, policymakers
are calling for "shovel-ready" projects that can put people to work quickly. During its era, the WPA
did not end the Depression. But it provided jobs when there were few available in the private economy,
it enhanced public services, and it helped ease the hardships faced by millions of out-of-work Americans.
Today, that earlier federal stimulus provides a model that could well be replicated as this country
struggles to halt its current economic meltdown.


edited to remove the picture link that wasn't working
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:40 PM
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11. thanks for that article
said it much better than I did
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:32 PM
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13. Here's How It Worked Before:
Link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/ccc /

Enjoy!!!

:hi:

Oh, and... K & R !!!

:kick:


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:48 PM
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14. Republicans call it welfare and trade unions don't like it. Sad, but true.
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unabelladonna Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:04 PM
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15. i'm not an economist
but i've been saying this for years. spend money on infrastructure....we need it to be fixed and it WILL create jobs.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:13 PM
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16. it's pretty obvious
If people are employed they have money to spend.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:32 PM
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18. Not enough money in it for Goldman Sachs?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:43 PM
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20. considering they don't sell anything
that people who are living hand to mouth are buying then you are probably right.
Nonetheless, I expect the Democratic party to be proposing policy to help people of all social strata.
The Republicans can worry about Goldman Sachs.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:33 PM
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19. K&R
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