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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:18 PM
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There is intimidation of those who question school closings in NYC...
There was a recent demonstration by parents, students, and teachers to protest Mayor Bloomberg's planned mass closings of public schools and their replacement by charter schools.

The groups had legal permission to protest in front of Bloomberg's mansion, but at the last minute they had to move across the street. The police still took photos of the group, though it was a peaceful gathering.

From Leonie Haimson at Huffington Post:

Meanwhile, a reporter from the Village Voice named Steven Thrasher caught members of the Police Department on videotape taking photographs from the roof and inside of a private school directly adjacent to the mayor's house. Check out this chilling video.

In 1985, the federal court ruled that it is illegal for the New York City police to take photos of protesters, unless they have cause to believe that a crime may be committed.


Here is more from Haimson's post.

Police Surveillance of Parents Protesting Bloomberg's Privatization of Public Schools

On Thursday, January 21, hundreds of parents, students and teachers protested on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, across the street from where Mayor Bloomberg lives, chanting and holding signs against his proposals to force mass closings of public schools and their takeover by charter schools. With the help of famed civil rights attorney Norman Siegel, members of this group had earlier sued in federal court to gain the right to protest directly in front of Bloomberg's mansion, on the north side of E. 79 Street.

Though Judge Alvin Hellerstein had concurred that they had such a right, at the last minute the city appealed, and on the morning of the protest, the Federal Circuit Court reversed his decision, forcing us to protest across the street.

So here we were, on the south side of E. 79 Street, adults, youth and children, of all races and ethnicities, peacefully exercising our constitutional right under the First Amendment, urging the mayor to halt his policies, which many of us believe are undermining the strength and stability of our public school system.


Turns out the police said the surveillance was all about "planning crowd control." Really.

The police responded to inquiries from the press yesterday, by claiming that they were taking pictures for "for crowd control planning purposes," which, on the face of it, is absurd.


The blogger reminds us of a terribly scary incident that happened in 2007 to someone who once favored all these changes to public schools. Diane Ravitch did a complete turn-around and became critical publicly. The NY DOE assigned employees to monitor her closely. This is scary stuff indeed.

This sort of intimidation and surveillance does not occur in a vacuum. In 2007, it was revealed that officials from the city's Department of Education had assigned an employee to tape Diane Ravitch, one of the administration's most articulate critics, and was keeping a dossier on her. They even persuaded Kathy Wylde, head of the NYC Partnership, the city's Chamber of Commerce, to publish an op-ed in the NY Post personally attacking her.


They also did some monitoring of the internet.

Subsequently, it was revealed that DOE officials also had assigned several employees to closely monitor listservs and blogs where parents, teachers and advocates discussed and criticized their educational policies.


Diane Ravitch wrote about this surveillance in 2007 at the Education Week blog.

Scare Tactics in NYC

I received a phone call late last Monday afternoon (Oct. 29) from an editor at the New York Post, offering me a heads up. He said, Just wanted to let you know that there will be a personal attack on you in tomorrows paper, on the opinion page. That was a bit unsettling, to say the least. A few hours later, I received an email from a journalist friend that contained the actual article, with the byline of Kathryn Wylde, the CEO of the New York City Partnership, the organization that represents major corporations in the city. Somehow the article was in circulation before it was published, and the last emailtransmitting the article to the Postwas written by Howard Rubenstein, who owns a major public relations firm that is very active in New York politics. So, it was clear that the article came to the Post from a PR firm, and it was not clear who wrote it.

The next day, the article appeared, with a headline calling me a "Hypocritical Critic. The trigger for the blast at me evidently was an article I had written the previous week, in which I pointed out that the teachers union had outsmarted the Mayor and the Chancellor in their recent negotiation over performance pay. Although the Mayor and Chancellor claimed that they had won merit pay, what they got instead was a schoolwide bonus plan whose distribution would be decided at every individual school and which might or might not include non-teachers such as secretaries who belong to the union.

But instead of debating the issues, the article was a personal slam at me, attempting to destroy my reputation and credibility because I was not supporting every move of the Klein regime.


But the really bad part came when she found out that the attacks on her had been done in conjunction with the NY Department of Education.

The very next day, as I was pondering whether to respond, an article appeared in the New York Sun documenting the fact that Wyldes attack had been written in concert with operatives at the New York City Department of Education. The Sun reporter, Elizabeth Green, wrote that the DOE had been keeping a file on me, comparing my statements past and present, and this dossier was the basis of the Wylde attack on me.


Ravitch continued:

The fact that they compiled a dossier on me and then turned it over to someone to write an attack is a frightening misuse of government power. They think they did nothing wrong. They think that if journalists and academics can compile files on people, so can they. They forget that they are not journalists or academics: They are government. Wouldnt you think they have enough to do managing 1,500 schools without having time to pursue those who dare to question their policies?

I forgot to mention one more thing. I discovered last spring that someone from the Department of Education press office was taping my public lectures. The first time I thought it was amusing. The second time I thought it was weird. The third time I thought it was scary. Now I realize that I was under surveillance.


It is not popular to criticize the new Democratic agenda on education. I will try not to forget the most important sentence in the article, something that makes one wonder if it is still occurring.

Subsequently, it was revealed that DOE officials also had assigned several employees to closely monitor listservs and blogs where parents, teachers and advocates discussed and criticized their educational policies.


The NY Department of Education forgot they were government, and they intruded on the private life of a critic of their policy.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:22 PM
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1. It's amazing that even with the statisics for charter schools
NY is still pushing for them.
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:23 PM
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2. Jeezus Christ
This is chilling.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:25 PM
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3. Really scary.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 09:28 PM by BrklynLiberal
The D of E has become one of those bureaucracies whose main, if not only, function has become to make it sure it keeps on existing.

It has long forgotten its purposes regarding education of the children of NYC.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:31 PM
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4. Lurkers are unrec'g this post --
I just got it back up to 5.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:35 PM
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7. I know they are. It happens all the time on an education post.
Thanks for the rec, BTW
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 PM
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13. Any idea why education posts attract unrecs?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:03 PM
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17. Actually...
it is because it is questioning policy that Obama is putting into effect.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:19 AM
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32. You can't have a police state without
the Though Police and Ministry of Truth.

Rec to +38
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:06 AM
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27. That is bizarre, what is wrong with addressing this serious problem?
I just don't get it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:33 PM
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5. NYC has 1600 schools with 1.1 million students
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 09:33 PM by sandnsea
There are currently 99 charters in NYC, serving 30,000 students. The public schools are not at risk from 99 more charters.

Wouldn't your time be better served advocating for the policies that make some charters successful, so that schools can start implementing the changes needed.

http://schools.nyc.gov/AboutUs/default.htm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:37 PM
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8. No. Too many are encouraging the dismantling of public schools.
I will not be one of them.

Feel free, though.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:46 PM
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10. 99 out of 1600 is hardly dismantling
Schools got $90 billion in the stimulus. Any articles about where it's going? Or do you only care about negative news?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:48 PM
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11. Yes, I have posted much about where it is headed.
I have written a lot about the views of Obama and Arne Duncan whom he appointed. I find it appalling that Jeb Bush and Newt Gingrich just love these ideas. In fact these are the very plans Gingrich and Jeb have had for education for years. The goals are more charter schools, which take public taxpayer money from traditional public schools. If the children return to public school, there is no guarantee the money will follow them back.

It is the defunding of public education and privatization thereof. People don't like to hear it, but that is what is happening. This is just a portion of what I have written. Our Democrats are completing the right wing dream for undermining public schools.

To be sure you understand, hubby and I donated a huge amount to Obama during the campaign. There are two major areas in which I feel he is lacking....the appointments of Arne Duncan and Rahm Emanuel took the party in a different direction that we had hoped. We have stopped all Democratic donations until we see which way the wind is blowing.

Right-wing legal power exploiting loopholes for a fundamentalist takeover of public education.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Palmetto Christian School in Florida joins 7 former Catholic schools, turns charter for public money
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

AP says "ethic rules have been waived" to allow DOE folks to deal more easily with Gates Foundation
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

DOE money to flow to schools which defy their unions. To districts which form charter schools.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Some Catholic schools in Florida converting to charter schools this fall.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

NY public school students get limited use of school library so 3 charter schools can use it.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Private Christian school gets charter school taxpayer money. Expels children of woman who questions.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Jeb Bush is delighted that Obama is taking on teachers' unions.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Up to 250 public schools to be turned over to outside bidders? Called a hostile takeover.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Are the words "school choice" public code words for the movement to privatize public education?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

"Stand and Deliver" school, Garfield High, sadly is one of 12 schools available to outside bidders
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

The demeaning of public education began under Reagan. It has worked well.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Charter school director blames too-hard tests and pupils tired of test-taking for poor test scores.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

The hodge-podge nature of schools getting public money makes it hard to have funding accountability.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Herbert Kohl on scripted curriculum, surveillance of teachers, and TIME on Arne's 5 billion
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Charter school principals fired after questioning taxpayer money spent on school's real estate arm.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...


There is much more.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 PM
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12. The $90 billion is not all going to charters
The majority of it is going straight into public schools to retain teachers, improve buildings, and put more money in classroom improvement. You've got a post there about the "hostile takeover" of 250 CA schools, when that state has TEN THOUSAND schools. I mean honestly, this is ridiculous. This is like the people who complain about a six month waiting period on health care, as opposed to the NOTHING those people have now. What The Hell is the matter with you? Was life really handed to you on a platter to the point you don't know when you've got it good?

Help under-achieving schools get better. That's all the public wants. We don't care how. But don't whine about why you can't, don't trash the ones who are trying, and don't blame the parents. Is that too much to ask from a teacher?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:03 PM
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14. Where did you get the 90 billion figure?
That is not what I posted about at all.

We are just going to have to disagree on this issue.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:25 PM
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15. I know it isn't what you post about
You look at less than 1% of the school system and pretend there's some danger it's going to take over the other 99%, while ignoring anything positive in the 99% where most of the education money is going. People are trying to do heart surgery and you're pissed that the patient is going to get a comb for her hair.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:37 AM
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24. You miss the point that the dismantlement of public schools is funded by large corporate
interests (in NYC it's primarily hedge funders, per the NYT) who have no fucking interest in children generally -- their interest is in their own bottom lines, tax burden & profits picture.

This effort is deliberate, & has been coordinated & planned over the long term.

The contingent of charter school cheerleaders here for the most part absolutely refuses to even acknowledge this. They simply ignore the documentation of the facts & repeat their talking points.

"Charter schools are *public schools*!"

"One size fits all doesn't work for kids! We need choices!"

"Our schools are *failing*! We have to do something!"


No one on the other side has ever denied that some charters do a good job, or better job than *some* public schools.

Your side, however, won't acknowledge that most don't; in fact, that the most thorough analysis shows 37% do *worse,* while only 17% do better, & that in a number of cases the early cheerleading propaganda was a pack of lies -- most recently in Chicago.

You also pretend that the situation is static, rather than constantly evolving & *always* in the direction of adding charters & dismantling public schools -- as well as increasing privatization or quasi privatization of public facilities.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:10 AM
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31. Yes, the mantras that are heard most.
The "we need choices" and "charter schools are public schools"...both not really true.

Of course the "failing" schools is heard loudly.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:22 AM
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33. "I find it appalling that Jeb Bush and Newt Gingrich...
...just love these ideas."

Appalling, but not surprising.

Look at what happened to public schools in New Orleans after Katrina.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:33 PM
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36. "in New Orleans after Katrina"
That was a huge windfall for charter schools. They moved in quickly.

Jeb and Newt are seeing their dreams come true under a Democratic administration.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:22 AM
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34. Delete
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 11:23 AM by Goldstein1984
Duplicate
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:15 AM
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sleep...go to sleep....
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:22 AM
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21. Wouldn't your time be better served by advocating for the policies that make more
public schools successful than charters, since 37% of charters perform worse than public schools, while only 17% perform better?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:27 AM
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23. Amen.
:applause:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:50 AM
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25. It's a problem when facilities are taken from public schools and given to the charter schools
And this has already happened.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:11 AM
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28. Yes, like this "A" school being taken over by a charter in NY
PAVE charter may "share" NYC's PS 15 public school building for 5 years.

Initially, the DOE presented this as a fait accompli, said Michael Schweinsburg, spokesman for Gonzalez. Now theyve stepped back from an entrenched position. Thats important.

.."It looks like theyre trying to correct the way they went about things, said one teacher requesting anonymity.

Parents dont want the charter school in PS 15 because they say the loss of space jeopardizes the A grade that the school just earned on its city report card.

The kids are going to lose out on a lot of the things they have now, said Vicki LaSalle, a parent who was gathering signatures on her anti-charter school petition last week."
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:18 AM
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29. Here in DC, a public school 3 blocks from Capitol was turned into a GOLD'S GYM.
Because the student body had declined after all the "scattered site" public housing in the neighborhood was demolished by Dem-affiliated "neo-urbanist" "reclaim the city" developer Eakin-Youngentaub.

And the architect behind these changes was elected to City Council representing Capitol Hill (and part of Anacostia) as a reward for evicting poor and/or black people from their neighborhood.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:34 PM
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6. I have two questions about charter schools.
1. How will the charter schools provide to taxpayers sufficient transparency with regard to the management and teaching content and student performance of the schools?

2. Why are so many mayors backing charter schools? Are some of them being paid off?

3. Are they seriously trying to destroy public education so that educating a child becomes the sole financial responsibility of the child's particular parents and thus a way for those who manage the charter schools to make money?

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:28 PM
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16. Some answers.
1. They won't.

2. Mayors will get to control the school system in large cities. That's real power.

3. Not sure of that one. I know it will profit CMOs or EMOs, whatever you call them.

Good questions, not enough good answers.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:26 AM
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22. 1. They won't. Non-transparency helps them steal.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:38 PM
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9. K&R. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:48 PM
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18. Tell me I should be shocked and ouraged
I am having trouble here. Just too many hits lately I guess.

Great piece, mad. Thanks for posting.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:07 AM
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19. Too many things that required outrage.
I know what you mean.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 01:15 AM
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20. First television report of its kind in the country, I believe, on NYC's Rubber Rooms
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 01:19 AM by tonysam
I've posted this WCBS-TV link of tonight's report in a couple of other threads for visibility:

Video Library

Title of the report: CBS 2 Hidden Camera: Inside Teacher 'Rubber Rooms'
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:12 AM
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26. Once again, great information
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:39 AM
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30. REC and kick. nt
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:56 PM
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35. I have little love for .....
Public school administrators or school district officials, here's why:

When I was attending High School in the South San Antonio school district in the early 1970s, our school district failed to adequately prepare for the influx of students. We had 3,000 students in a school designed for 2,000. Their brilliant solution was to go to split schedules. Juniors / Seniors went to class from 7:30am to 12:30pm, Freshmen / Sophomores went from 1:00pm to 6:00pm. Five hours straight and that was it. Most times it was AFTER 7:00pm when I got home as a Freshman / Sophmore, and I had to get up at 5:00am to catch the bus when I was a Junior / Senior. Incredibly the State of Texas let them do it. To say that I thought we got screwed is an understatement.

Despite the fact half the students in the district were active duty military brats, so the Federal Government was paying the district money, the administration of our HS highest priority every single day was getting their attendance report off to the state every day so they could be assured of getting their money from the State of Texas. Asses in seats equaled money. They didn't care if students were being bullied, they obviously didn't care if the students got a substandard education, every day it was the same speech on the PA: "Teachers, PLEASE, get your attendance reports into the office immediately, so we can our report off to Austin." Every day three or more times.

Now, the teachers were for the most part wonderful, they cared about teaching, and did great jobs. It was just the admins that sucked. To this day I despise most public school officials, especially with their zero tolerance crap. I never had children, but if I did, they would go to private school, no matter the cost. If some public school moron started that zero tolerance bullshit on my kid, I would probably take a baseball bat to their legs.

The point of this story is that if the NYC admins are anything like my experiences with school admins, then they are a bunch of low-life scum sucking POS.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:21 PM
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37. I'm a school administrator.
Thanks for tarring me and all my collegues with a story from 40 years ago. It makes my work so fulfilling.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:55 PM
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39. Well, where to start.
1. We don't expel kids for aspirin here.

2. If there are zero-tolerance policies, it's only because STATE LAW requires them. We would always prefer to use some of our own judgment in any case. But when the legislature passes a law saying any kid with a weapon of any kind has to be expelled for one year - well, there isn't a lot of choice. Thankfully, here in Colorado they've defined "weapon" pretty well, so we don't have kids getting kicked out for Boy Scout mess kits. But it's not that way in other states, I guess.

3. I really hope your not threatening anyone with your ball bat idea. That's not conducive to a positive posting experience here.

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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:59 PM
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40. Of course not all school admin are POS,
but unfortunately most of them are, with absolute job security, unlike teachers, thanks to districts gaming the legal system on their behalf.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:08 PM
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41. Job security?
I don't know about other places, but we've fired TONS of administrators. I can usually pinpoint them after the first month. I don't know why those who hire them can't see it.

But then, I run student activities so I have a lot more teacher contact than some people. I start hearing the stories early.
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