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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:16 PM
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"Stupid Hooverism" - Rachel Maddow's term for this proposed spending freeze
She's also pointing out that "this big right turn" is NOT going to get any Republican votes.

A point Keith Olbermann and David Corn made last hour, too.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:18 PM
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1. What a freakiing disaster...n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:22 PM
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14. VIDEO Here:
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falcon97 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:20 PM
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2. While being sympathetic to her point,
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 08:21 PM by falcon97
she seemed overwrought. It reminded me of election night when she was frantic that "nothing had changed" because states like Ohio and Florida hadn't been called at that point in time. I'm on her side and am suspicious of what might be frozen. But, Jared Bernstein was convincing in his push back.
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Ildem09 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:23 PM
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3. Mon Dieu!
I'm so upset at the Democrats right now it feels like i'm loosing my religion ala REM
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:27 PM
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4. And she's absolutely right.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:28 PM
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5. I just can't believe that this administration won't look at how
the Great Depression came about and how the Roosevelt administration eventually turned it around. The game plan is there. Also Obama should note that Roosevelt was a three term President and elected to a fourth term when he died. I don't think it was because he followed Hoover's policies and had a bunch of staffers and advisors who were only slightly left of Hoover's.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:34 PM
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23. What happened to trust in "the plan"?
This step isn't something Obama is taking lightly, I am sure. It's just a step in a larger plan. Maybe we'll know more about it after tomorrow night.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:39 PM
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24. Oh, it's part of a larger plan, alright.
Along with the "Debt Commission".

We're watching corporate stooges turn the government into little more than a collection plate for Corporate America.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:39 PM
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6. They are so right. It's so damn depressing.
And I also have news for him: Middle-class "relief" designed to help nobody but college students, parents, and caregivers for elderly parents ISN'T GOING TO HELP ME ONE IOTA!!!!!!!!

I paid off my student loans back in 1997.

I have no children.

My mother is dead, and so far my father is hale and heartier than he probably should be. His wife is also keeping fine watch over him to make sure he stays that way. We don't even live in the same state.

I may be part of the "Sandwich Generation," but I'm not one of the sandwiches...just a single, older, childless, unemployed potato chip left forgotten at the bottom of the bag.

I need a JOB. A J-O-B, JOB. Not tax breaks. Not incentives. A JOB.

Cutting government spending isn't going to help me get a job. Government spending on job creation, however, might HELP.

Please. Obama. Quit trying to appease and please people who didn't even vote for you. Try pleasing people who DID. OK? Thanks.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:40 PM
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7. I just hope they wait to introduce this when the country is in real
real recovery. If they initiate it too soon, Ws will go into
a double dip Depression. Just as well call it what it will
feel like.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:43 PM
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8. It's supposed to be in effect three years, 2011-2013.
According to ABC...
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:57 PM
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9. k and r
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:01 PM
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10. Isn't a spending freeze antithetical to a stimulus plan?
What's the use of pouring money into the economy with one hand while gathering it up with the other?

Seriously, I don't think he knows what he's doing any more. This MA election thing has got him rattled, listening to any half-baked idea.

Jesus.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:11 PM
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11. It's been suggested...
That there are several hundred billion in TARP funds (both unspent originally and since repaid) that could be repurposed as stimulus funding.

I don't know if that's correct, or even possible, however.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:56 AM
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20. Except that would not be a spending freeze
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 12:59 AM by jgraz
Spending is spending, no matter how you pay for it. You could use TARP money and call it "deficit neutral", but you couldn't call it a spending freeze.

Plus, if they were going to do it that way, why would they keep it a secret? Jared Bernstein said nothing about using TARP funds during that interview.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:55 PM
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12. and Republican Sen Grassley's half baked idea too
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:24 PM
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15. Rachel is correct as usual.
If Obama goes through with this spending freeze, he is going to end up another Hoover. It ain't gonna be pretty, that's for sure.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:26 PM
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16. The right will say it's not enough and the left will say it's wrong.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 10:28 PM by EFerrari
Somebody is not doing Obama any favors.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:45 PM
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17. K&R
I agree with Rachel.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:01 PM
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18. recommend
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:56 PM
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19. Rachel is right in the middle of a depression and a WAR OF YOUR OWN CHOOSING
you don't tie you hands like this...

His people deserve a serious :wtf:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:03 AM
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21. K&R.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:27 PM
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22. Rachel finally finds her last straw.
She's tried to tow the line, propping up the sagging agenda of the Dems in DC, winning the love of Obama apologists, who must now toss her under their bus.

She is just too smart to fall for the latest.
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