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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:49 PM
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Oliver Stone: Hitler 'Enabled By Western Bankers'
Oliver Stone: Hitler 'Enabled By Western Bankers'
Controversial Filmmaker Making 'Secret History Of United States'

BANGKOK -- Adolf Hitler was a psychopath and a monster but rose to power thanks to big business leaders and other supporters who appreciated his vow to destroy communism and control workers, Hollywood filmmaker Oliver Stone said Monday.

Stone, who is working on a 10-part documentary on the 20th century titled "The Secret History of the United States," said the German dictator was "enabled by Western bankers" and managed to "seduce" Germany's military industrial complex.

"Hitler is a monster. There is no question. I have no empathy for Hitler at all. He was a crazy psychopath," Stone told reporters in the Thai capital. "But like Frankenstein was a monster, there was a Dr. Frankenstein. He is product of his era."

He said the aim of his documentary, which two historians are helping him with, was to offer a fuller understanding of the 20th century and how some of those lessons may be relevant to President Barack Obama in 2010.

http://www.clickorlando.com/atthemovies/22330312/detail...
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:54 PM
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1. There are kernels of truth here. I think this project is interesting. n/t
n/t
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:57 PM
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3. More than just "kernels"
This is pretty widely known already among serious students of history. Hell, even GW Chimpster's grandpappy Prescott was in on the bankrolling of Adolf. So much so that he was indicted for lack of compliance with divestiture laws after the outbreak of war between the US and Germany.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:59 PM
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4. I hope Prescott Bush has a major part in the movie.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:13 PM
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5. He was one of the enablers....they confisciated his bank because of it
and after all that they then elected him a senator. Seems like even back then they forgave the republicans any thing they did.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:20 PM
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12. I believe he was Senator as this was going on.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:00 PM
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13. Grandpoppy Bush was in the Senate from 1952-1963
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

And every year the Connecticut Republicans hold their "Annual Prescott Bush Awards Dinner".

Leave it to a bunch of Republicans to name their big dinner after a Nazi-sympathizing traitor.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:36 AM
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29. E. Roland Harriman & W. Averell Harriman are the more interesting characters
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:42 AM
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25. Same here.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:07 PM
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20. sorry, but anyone who thinks that bush and other western money
people were the primary cause of Hitler's rise to power, isn't familiar with the history. they were on component, but he would almost certainly still have risen to power without them.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:12 PM
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21. Nobody said they were the "primary cause"
They said they were enablers...and they were. Fuck em all.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:11 PM
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38. Still waiting to see if Stone portrays this history accurately...
Until the film is out, I can't really complain. However, I do hope he sticks to the facts AND keeps those facts within context.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:15 PM
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22. Not necessarily
Hitler was backed by a lot of German industrial giants, Farbin, Thysen, etc. and those were backed by a lot of Western financial capital.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:14 PM
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40. Right, and I don't think anyone is dismissing the importance of support from GERMANY'S elites
who backed Hitler because they saw him as an obvious alternative to both the dysfunctional Reichstagg and a much feared Communist takeover of Germany. I'd say it remains highly inaccurate to portray any American support Hitler may have received as instrumental to his rise to power though.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:09 PM
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37. Exactly.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:56 PM
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2. He's better watch his back
He's getting close to those Bushies
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:18 PM
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6. It's a FACT the Bush family supported Hitler
Prescott Bush

Although you'll never find that factoid on FUX
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:29 PM
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44. To be fair.
You'll probably never hear of JFK's father being a Nazi appeaser or mobster.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:26 AM
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47. Who didn't make a little booze to make ends meet
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 04:36 AM by FreakinDJ
in the Last Great Depression - Want my Father's recipe for Gin?

Ang I guess you could call ANYONE who didn't want to enter WWII a "Nazi appeaser", Joe Kennedy was an Isolationist if any thing
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:23 PM
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7. I don't trust Oliver Stone after he made that ki$$ a$$ movie about *. nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:38 PM
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8. You must have seen a different movie than I did
The one I saw was sure not kind to Bush.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:42 PM
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9. delet
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 08:43 PM by Bluenorthwest
Repetitious post.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:03 PM
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18. Or his incredibly revisionist JFK film. nt
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:46 PM
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10. B. U. S. H. n/t
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:52 PM
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11. I can't see how he can do this without mentioning Prescott Bush
And the Harrimans and Browns who all went on to lay the foundations for Halliburton and Kellog, Brown and Root.

This is the absolute basis for the fortunes of the Bush family.

I wish him well.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:03 PM
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15. I hope he stays away from small planes.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:01 PM
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17. bush-walker fortunes predate prescott. prescott's dad worked for frank rockefeller.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 11:03 PM by Hannah Bell
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:03 PM
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14. That's something they will NEVER teach you in history textbooks
Just like the Business Plot against FDR, the PTB don;t want you to know about it.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:15 PM
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23. History textbooks routinely lie, too
Prof. J. Lowen wrote some fantastic books on that issue. They should, ironically, be standard reading in the schools.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:55 PM
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34. That's the entire point of having such textbooks to begin with
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:07 PM
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36. The question, how accurate is the picture Stone will be portraying?
While it's undoubtedly true that many business leaders, worldwide, found the Nazi regime preferable to say...a Soviet-style Communist takeover of Germany, I see no evidence that their support was instrumental in Hitler's rise to power, much less in keeping him there. I get the feeling this is one of those instances when people who aren't all that familiar with WWII are blowing a small aspect of it out of proportion because it makes for an interesting story.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:13 PM
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39. It's a movie, not a documentary. Ya think all war movies show absolute truth?
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:17 PM
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42. Yes, I'm an idiot and I believe all movies show the absolute truth. You got me.
Of course I realize that it's a movie and that some liberties will inevitably be taken (it IS Oliver Stone, after all...). However, when someone insists they're putting out a film in order to put Hitler in his proper context, that's a bit of a different story than say...Tarantino putting out the Inglorious Basterds. I expect accuracy and truth in cases such as this. Call me old fashioned.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:32 PM
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16. I am really looking forward to this
Stone always has some really interesting things to say about the U.S. :thumbsup:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:04 PM
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19. Not just the bankers
Ford and GM armed a good portion of the German military machine throughout the war, and IBM supplied the information technology that helped enable the Holocaust and make the Nazi war machine so very efficient.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:29 AM
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24. Which type of tank was ford built, which type of fighter was
GM built. Did they make Kar 98s for the German army. Which ships of the German Navy were ford or GM built. Please identify which arms Ford and GM
supplied the German Armed forces during the war.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:46 AM
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26. GM's Opel Blitz truck was a pivotal cog in Nazi Germany's military machine.


GM's Opel Blitz truck was a pivotal cog in Nazi Germany's military machine. It is shown here juxtaposed next to a Panzer tank, made by another manufacturer. Photo illustration by JTA

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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:59 PM
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35. Again which weapons did GM and Ford manufacture for
the Germans. What Tanks, aircraft, artillery, rifles, ships. Looks like the answer is zero. GMs partnership with Opal predated the Nazi take over in Germany.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:06 AM
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27. I'm not sure of the specifics,
Too early in the morning, too much material to go through before I've finished my coffee.

However I do know that GM provided much, if not most of the trucks and half tracks that Germany ran on while Ford was big into making airplane engines and such.

The specifics are fairly easy to research, there are a number of books on the subject.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:51 PM
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33. Which german aircraft used ford engines
beside the 1933 tri motor.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:16 AM
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28. Ford made 1/3 of all trucks in the German Army during WWII
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000124/silverstein/2

Ford vehicles were crucial to the revolutionary Nazi military strategy of blitzkrieg. Of the 350,000 trucks used by the motorized German Army as of 1942, roughly one-third were Ford-made. The Schneider report states that when American troops reached the European theater, "Ford trucks prominently present in the supply lines of the Wehrmacht were understandably an unpleasant sight to men in our Army." Indeed, the Cologne plant proved to be so important to the Reich's war effort that the Allies bombed it on several occasions. A secret 1944 US Air Force "Target Information Sheet" on the factory said that for the previous five years it had been "geared for war production on a high level."

While Ford Motor enthusiastically worked for the Reich, the company initially resisted calls from President Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Churchill to increase war production for the Allies. The Nazi government was grateful for that stance, as acknowledged in a letter from Heinrich Albert to Charles Sorenson, a top executive in Dearborn. Albert had been a lawyer for German Ford since at least 1927, a director since 1930 and, according to the Treasury report, part of a German espionage ring operating in the United States during World War I. "The 'Dementi' of Mr. Henry Ford concerning war orders for Great Britain has greatly helped us," Albert wrote in July of 1940, shortly after the fall of France, when England appeared to be on the verge of collapse before the Fhrer's troops.

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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:51 PM
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32. Ford made 100 % of the trucks used by the Soviet Army
up until 1942. Does this make Ford a Communist sympathizer
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:45 PM
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45. nope, just a vulgar war profiteer
Ford could have stopped the war by just saying no to trucks for anyone.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:04 PM
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46. Probably not
We have an image of the German armed forces being highly mechanized. Less than half of german logistics was by truck. Majority of German supplies moved by horse and wagon in the field. The Imperial Japanese Army was the least mechanized of all of the major armies in WWII. If ford did not make trucks, the only people it would have hurt would have been the United States, the Soviet Union and the British Empire. Not having Ford trucks would have slowed the Germans down, it would not have stopped them. To the Japanese it would have made no difference whatsoever. Not having Ford Trucks would not have stopped war.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:42 AM
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30. Reinhardt Gehlen. Should have an hour on Operation Paperclip. EOM
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:56 AM
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31. Should just have an hour on Gehlen himself
Gee, nothing like putting a rabid Nazi war criminal in charge of gathering intelligence on the Soviet Union.

What gets me is when it is proven that Gehlen was drastically overestimating the Soviet threat, we still kept listening to him. Hmm, wonder why, perhaps because his overblown reports allowed the MIC to keep up the arms race and keep them making money.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:14 PM
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41. Stone's only error here is that Frankenstein is the doctor, and the creature is just the creature.
The monster is never called Frankenstein in the book, just the creature, or the monster.

As to the banking stuff, he's totally right - and Prescott Bush at Citibank was the numero uno traitor of 'em all.

During Shrubya's tyranny of incompetence I used to work by his old building at 1 Broadway in downtown Manhattan, and walked by it quite often and thought of ol' Prescott and his Nazi sympathizing America-betraying ways, and how even two generations later his evil seed is still fucking this country.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:23 PM
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43. Actually, he was enabled by German people.
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