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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:35 PM
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Obama to annouce spending Freeze
But not for the Penatagon or homeland sercuity?

Good or bad???
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:37 PM
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1. Really really bad
You dont tie your hands on spending in the middle of a deep recession.

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:39 PM
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3. domestic programs -- the ones that help the poor and unemployed?
Yeah -- he really *got* the message in Massachusetts didn't he?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:38 PM
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2. To "Cut the Deficit" he can do three things:
1.) Raise Taxes

2.) Cut Military Spending

3.) Cut Entitlements

My guess? So much for SS and the Trust Fund.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:44 PM
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4. What is with all the "spending freeze" threads?
If he does this, he can pretty much consider himself a one term president.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:05 PM
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7. One 'change you can believe in' is I'm going back to my old screen
name at the next name change amnesty.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:48 PM
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5. Isn't that what McCain said he would do in the campaign
And didn't Obama argue that a spending freeze in the middle of a "supposed" recession was dangerous or something?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:17 PM
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11. here
MCCAIN: OK, what -- what would I cut? I would have, first of all, across-the-board spending freeze, OK? Some people say that's a hatchet. That's a hatchet, and then I would get out a scalpel, OK?


OBAMA: Well, look, I think that we do have a disagreement about an across-the-board spending freeze. It sounds good. It's proposed periodically. It doesn't happen.

And, in fact, an across-the-board spending freeze is a hatchet, and we do need a scalpel, because there are some programs that don't work at all. There are some programs that are underfunded. And I want to make sure that we are focused on those programs that work.

. . . I do want to just point out that autism, for example, or other special needs will require some additional funding, if we're going to get serious in terms of research. That is something that every family that advocates on behalf of disabled children talk about.

And if we have an across-the-board spending freeze, we're not going to be able to do it. That's an example of, I think, the kind of use of the scalpel that we want to make sure that we're funding some of those programs.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/deba...
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:01 PM
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6. OMG. He's going to try to out-republican the Republicans.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:37 PM
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21. Yes, but he doesn't have the nasty, mean, evil and crazy part
down just yet. Maybe next term.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:40 PM
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23. Bingo!
and that is why no military cuts. But of course, voters would vote for a real Republican before a pretend Republican.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:11 PM
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8. billions for war and industry
. . . a miserly pittance for everything else.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:14 PM
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9. Bad.
The Pentagon is way overdue for a budgetary hit.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:16 PM
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10. fucking ridiculous
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:25 PM
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12. Obama doesn't care if he is a one term president....
Goldman Sachs has his position all lined up and waiting for him in 2012. He and his family will be just fine.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:35 PM
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20. This is going to hurt the midterms more than 2012.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:26 PM
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13. Plan de Austeridad, that is the other name
Austerity Plan... welcome to our nightmare...

Oh and THIS is what disaster capitalism looks like
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:41 PM
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34. Austerlitz? More like Waterloo.
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:28 PM
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14. this just keeps getting worse and worse
it almost sounds like Obama WANTS to lose in 2012...

*sigh*
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:30 PM
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15. I made the same comment on another thread.
Does look like it, doesn't it? It's like he is going out of his way to piss off as many people as he can.

And it's working.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:32 PM
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16. $57,000 per minute plus:
War-fighting funds requested by the Obama administration for 2010: $68 billion (a figure which will, for the first time since 2003, exceed funds requested for Iraq).

Funds recently requested by U.S. Ambassador Karl Eikenberry for non-military spending in Afghanistan, 2010: $2.5 billion.

Funds spent since 2001 on Afghan "reconstruction": $38 billion ("more than half of it on training and equipping Afghan security forces").

Percentage of U.S. funding in Afghanistan that has gone for military purposes: Nearly 90%.

Estimated U.S. funds needed to support and upgrade Afghan forces for the next decade: $4 billion a year ("with a like sum for development") according to former Assistant Secretary of Defense Bing West. (According to the Brookings Institution's Michael O'Hanlon, "It's a reasonable guess that for 20 years, we essentially will have to fund half the Afghan budget.")

Afghan gross national product: $23 billion ("the size of Boise" Idaho's, writes columnist George Will) about $3 billion of it from opium production.

Annual budget of the Afghan government: $600 million.

Maintenance cost for the force of 450,000 Afghan soldiers and police U.S. generals dream of creating: approximately 500% of the Afghan budget.

Amount spent on police "mentoring and training" since 2001: $10 billion.

Percentage of the more than 400 Afghan National Police units "still incapable of running their operations independently": 75% (2008 figures).

Cost of the latest upgrade of Bagram Air Base (an old Soviet base that has become the largest American base in Afghanistan): $220 million.

Cost of a single recent Pentagon contract to DynCorp International Inc. and Fluor Corporation "to build and support U.S. military bases throughout Afghanistan": up to $15 billion


mother jones
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:34 PM
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17. So Obama & Co has spent all our money on the Wars and now there's nothing left?
Not surprised.

Pissed off, but not surprised. :grr:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:35 PM
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18. Doesn't that cancel out the idea behind the stimulus?
Why is he even considering this?
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:35 PM
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19. Like a previous poster said, this was what McCain planned to do.
sigh
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reformist Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:38 PM
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22. His hands might be tied.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 08:39 PM by reformist
There's a good chance Obama might have been told by our creditors (read: our friends the Chinese) that they aren't going to finance our $1 trillion deficits anymore if we don't start showing some fiscal responsibility. If this is what is happening behind the scenes, then Obama would only have two choices: raise taxes, or freeze spending. We may end up having to do both.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:43 PM
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35. The Chinese can go fuck themselves.
What are they gonna do? Invade us and demand payment? HA!!! If we had a leader with a spine he/she would tell the Chinese "tough luck, you ain't getting your money back".
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:17 PM
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39. Though it is suicidal you should know the Chinese do
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 10:18 PM by nadinbrzezinski
have a military.

That said, this is not the way the game's played. There is another way to skin this cat. Google reserve currency and what happens when you lose that status. They have been floating that for close to two years now.

Oh and by the way, the fourth turning, the crisis is here.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:31 PM
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41. "the crisis is here" I know.
:hi:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:48 PM
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37. We could save a bundle of money if we stopped spending on endless wars
but you'll notice only "domestic spending" - the kind that might help people and provide jobs here if we invest in infrastructure is all that's being talked about.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:48 PM
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24. "We" wanted war, now we will learn what it means to pay the piper.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:00 PM
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25. absolutely horrible for the middle class..seems like there is nothing but an attack on the middle
class!

What we are hearing as teasers here in Tampa ..Obama will be coming here with Biden the day after the SOTU address..the teaser is that he will be giving money to build the rapid train or Bullet train from Tampa to Orlando..

Is it true?..I don't know but that is what our local TV has been saying all week.

Just who will this benefit?? I just wonder..
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:01 PM
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26. Voters To Announce Voting Freeze
That is all.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:03 PM
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27. no shit!! +10,million!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:05 PM
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28. Awwwwwww
:hug: :pals:
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:31 PM
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29. Excellent post.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:44 AM
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44. Thank You
:) :hi:
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:32 PM
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30. now that Banksters got theirs!
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:36 PM
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31. Bad -- he should cut the military too.
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:38 PM
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32. Remember when we were laughing at the Republicans about this idea?
I'll wait for more details, but I am extremely skeptical. When I read those "wasteful spending" lists many of them are from the Department of Homeland Security.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:39 PM
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33. FUCK THAT SHIT! Stick a fork in Obama, I'm done with him.
Just another corporatist tool.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:44 PM
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36. Rachel Maddow called it Hooverisum....
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 09:46 PM by SlingBlade
Well, Now we know for sure after the MA. election that this administration
IS NOT turning to the LEFT, But actually going even FURTHER to the RIGHT.
Watch the spin here by Bidens Boy....

Maddows Link Here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908#35069615
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:53 PM
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38. Maybe Obama should stop spending .
How about that, , he wants to fund more war, he funds this big staff and expanded government and he flys all over the globe does nothing and had alllt eh perks one can imagine. How does one think this sets with americans who are in poverty , do you think they like it?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:25 PM
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40. Change you can believe in*
*-as long as you're part of the military-industrial complex or its bratty little brother, the terrorism-industrial complex. :grr: :banghead:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:32 PM
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42. Stupid political WHORING.
:grr:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:26 PM
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43. Gates, McChrystal, Geithner, Bernanke, Summers ....
Sometimes I feel as if I only dreamed that we won in 2008.

The president has lost his way, and unless he comes home to Democratic ideals and constituencies, he's ten months from becoming a lame duck.
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