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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:33 PM
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Would you support extending the Bush Tax Cuts if it ensured Democrats would keep control of Congress
If the Democrats can take away some of the Republicans issues this would help them politically. The tax issue is one of them. What would they be able to complain about if the tax cuts were extended and a commission to reduce the deficit (which is supported by lawmakers on both sides) were put into place.

I'm not advocating either way, just asking.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:35 PM
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1. NO.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 02:36 PM by aquart
And thanks for the trial balloon.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:35 PM
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2. I'd rather them start to try to fix things (end the tax cuts) and let the political chips fall
where they may.

End the bush tax cuts and as the economy starts to turn up, they will get more votes.
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:04 PM
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21. I'm not sure raising taxes by 2 trillion dollars at one time is going to help the economy
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:13 PM
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26. sure, how the hell could Obama fix the economy with 2 trillion of rich guy's money on hand?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:36 PM
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3. NO
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:37 PM
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4. they will ALWAYS find many things to complain about.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:38 PM
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5. Apeasement never works n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:39 PM
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6. No. nt
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:39 PM
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7. Dems controlling Congress? When did that begin?
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:51 PM
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16. +1
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:39 PM
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8. Not just no...
HELL no.

I'm dead set agains furthing of failed BushCo policy in any form.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:40 PM
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9. NO.
And thanks for showing us how this is going to be framed when the Dems go BACK on yet ANOTHER campaign promise.

Fuckheads. If they continue those cuts they DESERVE to lose their seats -- each and every one of them.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:40 PM
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10. No
Perpetuating the conservative attempt to bankrupt our country is the worst thing our party could do.

In fact I would INCREASE their taxes beyond the level it reverts to as a means to keep the very much needed entitlements (the programs Obama seems to be targeting for cuts) at current funding levels.

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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:42 PM
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11. Fuck no.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:42 PM
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12. If we remove the cuts......
...and lose the next election, the republicans will just put them back. If we keep them, we're no better than they are! Why give the rich a cut when they are the ones bleeding us dry already? No, you remove those cuts and make the rich pay their fair share, even if it's only for a few years. At least that is more for the little guy in the interem, and god knows we need a break right about now!
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:44 PM
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13. hell no!
I'm annoyed enough that they're just letting them expire rather than actively rolling them back last year.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:50 PM
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14. Are you NUTS????
"A commission to reduce the deficit (which is supported by lawmakers on both sides) were put into place."

Do you know what that stupid commission advocated by Pete Peterson is all about? Do you know the goal to reduce the deficit on the backs of Social Security and Medicare? Did you know the Social Security surplus right now is about $3 Trillion? That's $3 Trillion (with a T) that you and I paid to cover our parent's retirement and our retirement. The deficit hawks want to take our money and give it to Wall Street or just pass it on to the gubermint general budget and do away with our hard earned money that we put into Social Security.

Are you crazy? Take away an issue from the RepubliCONS by passing RepubliCON laws? Might as well put RepubliCONS in office if you are just going to their work for them as Democrats.

No, No, No, we didn't vote in liberals and progressives majorities to the Senate and the House to turn into idiot RepubliCONS and corporatists. We'd only be doing their sleazy work for them.


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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:52 PM
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17. +1010101010
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:03 PM
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20. If the Democrats lose Congress they can't do anything
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 03:05 PM by Tony_FLADEM
in other areas in which they are better than the Republicans i.e. the environment, education, foreign policy.

Both parties are responsible for the Social Security and Medicare trust funds being looted. I know there is supposed to be a surplus but it isn't there in reality.

There are about 40 Conservative Democrats in the House. The House is 50-50 Conservative Liberal and the Senate is about 53-47 Liberal.

I want the Democrats to stay in power because they are better in a variety of issues.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:17 PM
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29. The only reason there isn't a surplus is they've 'borrowed' it. It's supposed to be paid back
Now they're setting up a commission to show them the way to stealing it. If the Democrats don't roll those tax cuts back they are little better than the other party. I'd call restoring fairness to the tax codes the #1 priority in getting workers and the middle class back on their feet. And I do not think that letting the fat cats at the top off is popular at this point in time with any voters.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:21 PM
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33. Right, sure, that's the ticket
The environment=nothing cap and trade off the table
Education=Bringing in Jeb to promote privatizing public education, a total non-starter and an enemy of the people move
Foreign policy=a change in tone and rhetoric but the same old wars and rendition.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:10 PM
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37. they can't seem to do much when they win congress either
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 04:10 PM by frylock
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:51 PM
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15. NO........
The Dems have had control of Congress and haven't accomplished a damn thing.
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:09 PM
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24. The reason the Democrats haven't accomplished anything is because they have been stuck
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 03:55 PM by Tony_FLADEM
on health care. They should have kept the focus on insurance reform, cost reduction and expanding access. They made the bill very complex and can't get beyond it.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:52 PM
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18. No
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 02:58 PM
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19. FUCK NO
What is the point of electing Democrats if they do little if anything other than forwarding the Confederate party agenda?

Ensure Democrats keep control of Congress to mandate payment to a criminal cartel, coddling Wall Street, act as servents of Pharma and the insurance cartel, play footsie with Confederates for a year at a time for no fucking reason, to maintain the police state, to ignore justice, to protect the dragon hoards of the wealthy, and to raid Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid?

No, thank you very little. The Republicans seem much better suited for such a set of tasks if I wanted them done at all.
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:20 PM
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31. They would be in a better position to take on Wall Street if the Dems were not getting most of the
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 03:22 PM by Tony_FLADEM
blame for the economy. They wouldn't have to act as servants to Pharma and Insurance companies if the reform plan were focused solely on reining in insurance company abuses and reducing costs i.e. drug re importation. The most controversial things could have been enacted later.

Both parties use Social Security and Medicare funds to pay for general expenses.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:04 PM
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22. NO!
That would be like killing the patient to cure their cancer.

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:06 PM
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23. No! Why not try something that might work? Just for the novelty value? n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:11 PM
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25. Why would I care about the Democrats controlling Congress if their agenda is Republican?
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 03:13 PM by Marr
I'm a liberal, not a Democrat. If the Democratic Party wants to help me, I'll help them. If all they've got to offer is a brand name, they can shove it up their ass.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:17 PM
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27. Absoshittinglutely NOT.
These tax cuts screwed the National Debt and didn't at ALL do what they were supposed to do - give the wealthy incentive to create jobs as a result. Didn't even come CLOSE.

So FUCK them. Let these bastards start sharing the burden. The TMTR is the lowest it's been in 75 YEARS. It's not like their lives are going to change one f'ing BIT as a result, and don't let them bullshit you that it will.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:17 PM
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28. NO
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tnlurker Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:18 PM
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30. no
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:21 PM
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32. To what benefit is the Democrats keeping control of Congress?
:hide:
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:43 PM
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36. The Democrats (with a few exceptions) try to do what's best for the country
The Republicans always do what's best for the Chamber of Commerce types.

The Democrats are better at providing a safety net for the poorest of Americans. The Republicans couldn't care less.

The Democrats believe in using knowledge when it comes to foreign policy. The Republicans believe the answer to every foreign policy problem is to go to war.

I don't believe in throwing it all away because 1 or 2 issues.


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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:48 PM
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47. I challenge you to really examine the current situation in this country
and then re-read your post.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:22 PM
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34. HELL, NO!
Without tax increases the only thing left in that commission's recommendations are going to be stealing our SS and Medicare. I see no reason to worry about electing Democrats if they're going to continue to let the uber wealthy mooch off the rest of us and cut social programs. To me, fairness in the tax structure and support for a social safety net are at the top of my list of why I'm a Democrat.
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:56 PM
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40. The Commission is a separate issue from extending the Bush Tax Cuts
If the Commission recommends raising taxes the Democrats would not get blamed for this.

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:08 PM
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42. Let me be clear: REPEAL THE FUCKING TAX CUTS
Perhaps I was dissembled somewhat in my reply above. Can they hear me now?
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 03:42 PM
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35. Absolutely not
Those fucking tax cuts are the reason for the economic mess we are in..If we keep them in place we are no better for America than Republicans and don't deserve a damn thing. I will not vote for anyone that wants to keep fucking America over so the wealthy can get even wealthier..
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:11 PM
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38. No (nt)
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:12 PM
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39. Nope.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 04:59 PM
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41. No. The tax cuts are stupid and they won't be made smart by stupid logic tricks. nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:23 PM
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43. Someone having a really good year? nt
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:17 PM
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44. Same as usual middle class
Just want the Democrats to keep control of Congress.

I guess the Democrats are only capable of keeping control of Congress for 2 years in 12-16 year intervals. Oh well.

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:46 PM
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45. All the more reason to try to get some of our money back while they're there
Of course, Bush's rationale for the tax cut was that Clinton's surplus meant people had overpaid. Doubt we're going to see a surplus anytime soon.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:47 PM
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46. I'd rather have a civil war. n/t
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:50 PM
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48. no
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:51 PM
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49. It won't because the GOP will just up the ante
They'll propose making those cuts permanent or bigger.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:08 AM
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50. Hell, NO! NT
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