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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:15 AM
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Other DU'ers finding it nearly impossible to defend Democrats?
Warpig Doctrine-Check

Willing to deficit spend America into collapse-Check.

Willing to deficit spend for the war doctrine-Check.

AntiUnion-Check

AntiHealthcarereform-Check.

Owned by corporations-Check.

Using HCR and Social Security as deficit reduction-Check.

Nafta, Cafta, Gatt/WTO still destroying America-Check.

Outsourcing jobs to China-Check.

Banks plundering the US Treasury and Fed.-Check.

Crashing American dollar-Check.

Once again, rising energy costs, record big oil profits-Check.

Out-of-control corporate trusts-Check.

Wire-tapping-Check.

WOT-Check.

Change-UNCHECK.

Barack Obama, Sen Bayh, Landreau, Baucus, Nelson Twins, Conrad to name a few-Status Quo Enablers.

When I used to go door knocking for Dems during campaign canvassing, I used to be able to draw a distinction between Dems and 'Pubs.

Today, if I went canvassing for Dems it would sound like I'm doing so for an Arch-Right-Wing Republican.

I'm long done working and volunteering for this party. I no longer trust anyone with a 'D' next to their name.

I will no longer volunteer or support the Republican Party Part 2. Which is exactly what DLC conservadems have turned this party into.

How are party activists supposed to defend the Dem party when canvassing or talking politics with another person.

What achievements can a party activist talk about?

The Dem party has given activists little to be proud of.

That's why I find it nearly impossible to defend the Dem party nowadays.

Shame that it has turned out this way.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:17 AM
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1. Anti-civil rights.
Check
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:20 AM
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2. Damn right! I'm gay and can't believe I forgot to add that one. Thanks for adding! nt
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:20 AM
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3. I hear you, however
an admission on this board of being unable to defend Democrats is often considered an invitation to flame away.
Just a word to the wise. Stay strong.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:20 AM
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4. Yeah.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:21 AM
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5. Right here....
..I'm not going to claim that I won't vote for them still since obviously it is the lesser of two bad choices. But other than a few very specific people who happen to be democrats, I don't even bother to defend or fight for or speak up on behalf of.

They may get my vote but they won't get a dime of my money or a minute of my time outside of the voting booth. That will be going to specific causes I believe in, most of which the party has clearly no interest in paying anything other than lip service to.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:22 AM
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6. Nope. No problems at all
In fact, the only people I know who have a problem defending Democrats are REPUBLICANS.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:26 AM
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8. Pick a policy and defend it.. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:28 AM
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:32 AM
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13. Finding it hard to defend a policy? You defend the DLC with conviction so it shouldn't be so hard..
to list 1 policy of theirs that you support and defend it with a reasonable arguement.

Again, I'll ask, pick 1 DLC policy and defend it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:33 AM
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:42 AM
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18. A Party Loyalist
Just like the Republicans, loyal to the Party always, loyal to the people when they are loyal to the Party.

Walk in lockstep much?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:48 AM
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21. that's so very quaint how you put party over country and We, the People
aren't you just precious. :sarcasm: :puke:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:22 AM
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7. As a collective,. yes. Individually? Depends.
I will be proud to volunteer for Peter Welch's campaign this fall. Same goes for Pat Leahy. I've never worked on any of Leahy's campaigns because it was always clear he'd breeze through. If it looks like he has a real challenge this year, I'll volunteer.

And none of my reps in Washington is any of the things you listed.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:27 AM
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9. Adding more
False promises of transparency? Check

False promises to close Guantanamo? Check

Making up/breaking laws to suit fleeting poll-driven political purposes? Check
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:29 AM
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12. Thank you for adding.
As I wrote out this list, my head started steaming and I had to stop. I left out a lot.

Thanks for adding.

Peace.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:28 AM
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10. Clear and Concise ...
KnR.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:35 AM
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15. I stand with the Democratic Party. It's elected members aren't all perfect
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 09:36 AM by KittyWampus
but as an organization it's the only boat available at this time.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:36 AM
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16. there are other websites where you may feel more comfortable
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:37 AM
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17. the problem starts at the very top
how can anyone defend health insurance reform when not ten people in the entire country know what exactly it will end up meaning.

I try and support the president ,but his inexperience has been writ large on this initiative.

Did anyone expect congress to arrive at a cohesive argument? Apparently the president did, I didn't.

Have we turned caution into a republican position?

this much is certain: We as party cannot undergo another 6 months of talking about healthcare .


More and more democrats will come to the conclusion that opposing the president on healthcare will do them more good at home than supporting him.
W and even Reagan had a democratic congress to point to and blame.
We have nobody to blame but ourselves
We can't get our shit together, with the whole country watching,we look like the gang who couldn't shoot straight.

I get no pleasure from any of this, but we as a party have to face facts, we have screwed this up badly,perhaps irreparably.


I think it was Gore Vidal who said "no talent is not enough".
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:42 AM
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19. Yes, and it breaks my heart
I guess the real kicker is I knew better, deep down, then to trust politicians. But I fell for the party line, hook line and sinker. I believed this was the time and that change would happen. Instead I see things moving in the exact opposite way I had hoped. I've found myself becoming really angry and bitter.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:47 AM
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20. WoD and WoT still raging away: check
civil liberties still in the crapper: check.

What's to defend?
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:55 AM
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22. Defending the indefencible is hard work.

Small wonder they're testy.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 AM
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23. I don't blindly accept any politician's words or actions...
Or even political affiliation.
Everybody gets equally scrutinized.

If I've got to vote third party, or even Republican, because the Democratic candidate is a right-wing hack pushing a neo-con agenda, I'll go right ahead and do that.

Screw "party loyalty." If my so-called Democratic representatives in government aren't loyal to the party, no reason that I should be loyal to them.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:07 AM
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24. I don't defend democrats- I attack Republicans
and hold them responsible for the consequences of their failed ideology every chance I get.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:21 AM
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25. Principles before Party
means not only can I not defend them, I cannot stomach them. This Insurance Company Bailout Bill they want to pass is the first step to destroying medicare. This is the party that is doing *'s job better than * did it.

We have two right wing parties and a huge section of the population not represented. I unsubscribed from democratic party emails and have declared myself a Progressive Independent. Now when I take research polls, I mark myself independent. I am working hard to get these bums thrown out. Sounds like quite a few people are feeling the same way.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:30 AM
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27. You're not alone. I can assure you of that.
You pretty much wrote what I feel. Many others here feel that way too. We are not alone.

Peace
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:24 AM
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26. Not at all
...but I live in the real world, so other than showing equivalencies to other downturns as examples and how Obama is doing better than most, there is no issue at all.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:33 AM
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29. OP broadbrushing Dems, not productive.
And, some of the membership here are Democrats...

Likely to be locked.

:donut:
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:19 AM
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31. LOL nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:33 AM
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28. Cool story, bro. n/t
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yailbloor Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:39 AM
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30. Another.....
Inability to receive and process real criticism - check.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:19 AM
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32. Awww....
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:20 AM
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33. We're locking this.
As written this isn't constructive criticism of either the Democratic Party or the Obama Administration.
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