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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:30 AM
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WE NEED A SECOND CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT - for Economic Justice and Structural Transformation
It's going to take more than the ballot box to fix/save our country. And I am more and more convinced each day that looking to the development and history of the Civil Rights Movement from small local protest to sweeping national action is where we need to be looking.

And calling it a Civil Rights movement is exactly accurate. It's time we finish the work Dr. King died advocating. In his last days his focus and message had turned to addressing the structural injustice and inequality of our political and economic system itself, and the call for economic justice. He was the first one to call for this Civil Rights Movement for economic justice. But it cost him his life.

Things have to reach a tipping point, where the comfortable and sluggish who "have" just enough to kiss the whip and oppose taking action are finally so fed up with a system that does not work for ordinary Americans that they become willing to risk and act.

We keep flirting with the tipping point in recent times, with the smoldering anger at Wall Street and the steadily going disgust with everyone in Washington, regardless of party, as more and more people wake up to the fact that none of them really act with working families interests firstin their minds.

Will we, the people be able to study the history and lessons of movement and organizing available do us in the legacy of the Civil Rights Movement? And will we be able to shake off that malaise created by this modern culture that, some 40ish years later, has done so much more to indoctrinate and pacify the citizenry, keeping us ignorant and isolated, locked in an existence of consumption and wage slavery that makes so many believe organized resistance is impossible.

But organized resistance is the only thing that has ever seriously challenged social injustice and the status quo enforced by power and privilege. It was the force behind the New Deal, as million of Americans took to the streets and even rioted as they demanded social change and refused to sit passively by for meager hand-me-downs from the privileged.

It was the driving force behind the labor movement, and the workplace victories won for ordinary people at the dawn of the industrial revolution.

It was the driving force behind Abolition, a movement without which slavery would not have ended.

It was the driving force behind the Women's sufferage movement.

It was the driving force behind the civil rights movement.

In every instance where one can point to dramatic structural change in our society and government, it has been mass movement of people willing to sit down and refuse to move, willing to disobey civilly, willing to march and refuse to turn back, willing to push onward and "overcome" even when confronted with threats, violence and even in some cases death.

But before any of this could ever happen, enough American people have to really believe that our situation is so serious and critical that it would move them to fight back.

We are certainly nowhere near that, as many Americans continue to care more about American Idol or who will win the Late Night wars than they care about any sort of true change in our country. But before we discard all hope, there have certainly been rumblings and stirrings among the people in the last few years, and signs of a building outrage at the insanity of corporate exploitation and the political parties that support and allow it. This anger at being used and being treated like political and economic slaves has to grow, to the point where populism and the demand for radical change becomes more important than conventional "wisdom" or conventional social place and position.

It may never happen. Or it may happen. Either way it is what we need. And I think we should start becoming experts on the birth, evolution and legacy of the civil rights movement - how it grew, how it was able to turn into a campaign of national protest and righteous unrest in demand of justice. Because its an example of the same situation we are in - where as individuals we feel somewhat helpless to build a movement.

Many of us say, "what can I do? If I go downtown and march by myself that doesn't really produce any change. How do we go from isolated individuals to organized movements? The answer, or at least the beginning of an answer, is in the simple reminder that it has been done before, numerous times, in many different socail and historical climates. And so studying that history and understanding how radical movements of the past have gone from a couple individuals sitting down and refusing to move to a national uprising of millions of people - and what we can learn from them.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:43 AM
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1. I have been for some time thinking Civil War but your idea
Is Better...Was reading a Bill Moyers transcript yesterday which mde a lot of sense to me. The guy he had on his show was talking about how "We Forget" we forget about so many things instead of doing something about it...That is why we are in this mess ( my computer is running a scan and it would take forever to get you a link so if your interested I can post it later) There is so many things going on today , and people don't have a lot of time but as an organized group we might be able to accomplish something. I woke from a sound sleep and began thinking about how our country has changed, how our Party has changed. And I ended up sitting at this computer in the middle of the night because I knew I woudn't be able to go back to sleep. I have, seven kids, 14 grand childen and two Greatgrand kids. And I sure would like to leave them a better place. I don't know how much I can do, but really feel I must do something more than I've done. If I've said it once, I've sadi it a million times,if I can see where we ae going as a Country why can't others.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:48 AM
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2. K&R
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:11 PM
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3. midday kick
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 02:16 AM
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4. K&R
And here is a good place to start:

https://votep2.us/Amendment.php


The Democracy Amendment
September 17, 2002

Section 1. The sovereign authority and the legislative power of citizens of the United States to enact, repeal and amend public policy, laws, charters, and constitutions by local, state and national initiatives shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state.

Section 2. The citizens of the United States hereby sanction the national election conducted by the nonprofit corporation Philadelphia II, permitting the enactment of this Article and the Democracy Act.


Section 3. The United States Electoral Trust (hereinafter "Electoral Trust") is hereby created to administer the procedures established by this Article and the Democracy Act. A Board of Trustees and a Director shall govern the Electoral Trust. The Board of Trustees shall be composed of one member elected by the citizens of each state, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Territories of the United States. An election shall be conducted every two years to elect members of the Board of Trustees. Immediately after the first election, the elected members shall be divided as equally as possible into two classes. The seats of the members of the first class shall be vacated at the expiration of the second year; the seats of the members of the second class shall be vacated at the expiration of the fourth year. All members of the Board of Trustees shall serve for four years except the members of the first class. In order to facilitate the initial election of members to the Board of Trustees, an Interim Board is appointed by the Democracy Act. A Director responsible for day-to-day operations shall be appointed by the majority of the members of the Board of Trustees, except that the first Director shall be appointed by the Board of Directors of Philadelphia II.


~Snip~


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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 08:16 PM
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5. I generally agree with you, but I have some reservations.
It always seemed to me that these historic social and political movements were founded on a solid argument based on some kind of moral clarity. Ending slavery, castrating the robber barons, ending segregation and apartheid, all of them had a moral (if not spiritual) root.

It is hard for me to reconcile this belief that I have, the belief that these movements were based on moral clarity, with this statement:

”Things have to reach a tipping point, where the comfortable and sluggish who "have" just enough to kiss the whip and oppose taking action are finally so fed up with a system that does not work for ordinary Americans that they become willing to risk and act.”

Instead of staking our future on the action or inaction of the comfortable and sluggish, why not look for the moral high ground instead? That seems to be the common denominator here, not some sort of tantrum or something. The key is in motivating good people to do the right thing because they are good people. It has nothing to do with being fed up, it has to do with seeing an injustice and having a desire, a will, to set it right.

The movement that got Obama through the primaries was organized around what were, and are, very high principles. We should have learned that this kind of movement can occur quickly in this society, a lot quicker than I would have expected. From Iowa to the convention was a few months, half a year, and the public became very motivated.

It seems to me that if we start looking for a spontaneous uprising based on anger and dissatisfaction, like the one in Iran recently, then I’m pretty sure that we can expect the same results as they had, or worse. A better approach could be to try and find that moral high ground, and I don’t think it lies in judging people based on their wealth; it has more to do with behavior, actions, that kind of thing. Bribery, usury, fraud, cronyism, tyranny, the whole culture of corruption is wrong.

I think we need to be careful about how we go about this so we don’t end up like they did (I know the struggle continues over there, and that there are many that are still trying to organize under pain of death. I’m just not sure that theirs was the best approach. But if it does come to that, then we do NEED the moral high ground, because we are seriously outgunned and we will surely lose if we don’t have a clear claim on that particular front.

In any event, I agree that we must organize somehow. That much is clear to a lot of people, so this is just my two cents about how to go about it.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 09:48 PM
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6. Had your tea today?
Edited on Sat Jan-23-10 09:50 PM by BeFree
What you guys are talking about is what the tea bag people are doing. It seems.

As a long time activist, I just gotta say, get off your ass and jam.

PS> If anybody ever gets out ahead of the tea bag people, ala an Obama type, we better hope that person is ok cuz they'll end up ruling.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 03:24 AM
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9. That is not how most (or any) social movements or structural change has ever worked.

Instead of staking our future on the action or inaction of the comfortable and sluggish, why not look for the moral high ground instead? That seems to be the common denominator here, not some sort of tantrum or something. The key is in motivating good people to do the right thing because they are good people. It has nothing to do with being fed up, it has to do with seeing an injustice and having a desire, a will, to set it right.


I appreciate your thoughtful response. However with respect, I don't see the history of social movements or any successful attempt to force structural change working as you suggest.

Actually, every mass social movement I can think of starts from dissatisfaction and the resentment that comes from being treated unfairly. Mass movements don't start from the outside - from people not directly effected by the injustice. They start when the people directly affected simply can't accept the situation anymore. That's what happened with early labor successes. That's what happened with women's suffrage, that's what happened with the Civil Rights Movement.

As movements grow, your description of good people and the need to reach out them kicks in, and successful movements reach the hearts and minds of decent folk that would not otherwise be directly affected and they do decide to join the struggle.

There's a point where you consistently miss a reality about class analysis. And I have some sympathy (depending on how you choose to write about it) because I can sort of see where the mistake can happen. Class analysis has never been about saying, "if you make less than x dollars you are a noble person and part of the solution, but if you make more than x dollars you are a wicked person and part of the problem."

No one I know has ever implied that, no writer writing from a post-modern critical theory framework (my sociological perspective - look it up if you're interested) nor even any writer that I'm aware of writing from a traditional full-on Marxist perspective would ever suggest something that simplistic.

"Rich" people sometimes side with those marginalized by the political and economic system. "Poor" people sometimes side with those who possess most power and influence and who frequently act in ways that harm the poor. Or put in simple everyday language, its always true that some "rich" people can be saints and some "poor" people can be sinners.

You seem to always want to die on this particular hill, and infer from this that "wealth does not matter." Wealth matters if for no other reason that because wealth buys political influence, and political policy and economic decisions are made primarily by wealth primarily for wealth with those without such wealth treated as externalites.

And in every day life differences between very rich and very poor matter because - through no deliberate fault of any one person's - people living in near completely different worlds have difficultly identifying with, empathizing with, and relating to each other. The tends to increase the likelihood of insensitivity to injustices are ill treatment, desensitization to certain plights.

I know this is true, not only because I observe it happen, but because it has been true in my own life on several fronts. Specifically when it comes to racial divides, a somewhat parallel example. Being white, and living in the south, then the midwest, then in a Colorado town where the population was 100% white, then living in Idaho meant that I had immense, dramatic difficultly even remotely relating to or understanding the situation or conditions for, say, a black women living below the poverty line in the inner city. It wasn't about me being a bad person. It was about me being divided by a certain type of "class" divide - in this case race and the complete removal from any black culture.

I was never a conscious racist, thank god. But the mere reality of the racial divide and the lack of empathetic understanding of an entire different world that some people lived in because of race made me more than a little insensitive. I scoffed at things like affirmative action, and bristled at black history month or political correctness towards race. I talked about reverse racism because from my little closeted perspective as a totally culturally sheltered white man, I thought everyone should just be equal and black people talking about racism all the time was just asking for special treatment.

Very racist. But I didn't know it. I didn't want to be racist. I was simply an ignorant hick.

A similar kind of disconnect frequently happens because those who have a great deal and those who have next to nothing. It's not about a person who "has" being a consciously bad person. It's about the ways in which the wealthy and poor live in two different Americans (and Michael Harrington wrote that long before Edwards co-opted the line and then got himself forever discredited.) Human beings always struggle to understand the "other." In America for the wealthy, the poor are often the "other."

Class analysis is not about analyzing the hearts of people - be they rich or poor. It's about institutional analysis, understanding the ways that a system structurally benefits one group of people by taking away from another group of people. Class analysis is about understanding a very factual, very basic historical reality, which is that wealth is a dividing societal factor. The world looks entirely different for those who have it and those who don't.

In our country, people like me believe that our political economic system functions in such away that it gives those who have it even more in excess, and that excess is taken from those who don't have it who then have even less. Again, in simple everyday English, the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. Statistics back this up, showing the shocking surge in the level of income inequality in the United States, which now leads its twenty other peer industrialized nations as having the biggest expansive gap between richest and poorest.

When I refer to people that are sluggish in their comfortability, you read into that a personal attack on the personal character of someone who is "rich." But I could have just as easily meant someone like myself, who is poor but currently has my basic needs comfortably met for the time being. Or anyone who feels that they enjoy some measure of security and fear losing that security. That's not a slam on anyone. And you have to ask yourself, why aren't more people in the streets right now?

To suggest that for some, it is because the uncertainty and risk to their livelihood and security keeps them from moving to action. That's a pretty reasonable and fair assumption. And I know that in past times in my life, it was absolutely true of me. Back when I was a Project Manager for a Fortune 100 company, the last thing I wanted to do was any sort of "radical" activity that might risk my job - even though I had at least an emotional desire to see certain things change in our country.

Class is a reality, that people have different lives and are treated differently when they are in the underlcass, that people have different lives ad are treated differently when they are in the "middle" class, and that people have different lives and are treated differently when they are in the overclass is a pretty obvious truism. And in a system that revolves around money and its built in the accumulation of wealth, it is not "radical" but rather common sense to understand that a dividing factor that often (often is not the same as always) divides attitudes, understanding and actions between groups of people is money.

Finally, I think you have a completely wrong idea about Iran. Completely wrong. You speak of those protesting in the past tense. In a country like that, there was never going to be any sort of change that wasn't conflict driven. You have a violent tyranny quite comfortable using violence and direct oppression to control the population. That leaves the population very few options other than to have the courage to resist and protest anyway.

What you already categorize as a failure, I believe will historically mark the beginning of the revolution. I predict the Iranian regimes days are now numbered. If we were fighting a violent tyranny, our resistance and demands for change would look a lot like theres. But instead, given the conditions and structure of our society, our resistance and demands for change may instead look lot like the Civil Rights Movement of our own history.

A movement that, I remind you, did not start in the hearts of good-natured decent rich white Americans. I started in the hearts of some poor black women and men who were indeed "fed up" and decided they could take it no longer (god bless you, Rosa Parks)

I hope that one day I can convince you that class analysis does not mean hating rich people, and that class analysis (doesn't have to be pure unfetter marxism, again do a google on postmodern criticla theory - a sociological framework) is completely critical to understanding a market driven society.

Cheers,
PH
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 06:34 PM
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11. Again, we agree on a lot of this.



I’ll try and focus on the areas of disagreement.

First off, some of the ideas you attribute to me are not my own. That is sort of frustrating because it is one of my pet peeves of late. I only bring it up because this is a public forum and some readers may actually think I believe some of the ideas that you are attributing to me. I wish you would try and refrain from that behavior.

The point you are missing is that I have always said that wealth isn’t all that important to ME. Class isn’t all that important to ME. I don’t dispute that it is all-consuming to some others, be they wealthy or poor. I just don’t have any particular axe to grind about someone having a lot of money, or having none at all, as long as it does no damage to society as a whole. The reality of the situation is that one uber-wealthy person is more of a burden on us than a whole multitude of poor people. I think I understand the realities well enough. I believe that the path we should be seeking will lie in finding solutions that are based on decreasing the gap between rich and poor.

Just as a thought experiment, let’s look at two imaginary societies, each of which is completely democratic in their decision making. Everyone has an equal voice. In the first case, the people have a stratified class structure where the poor and rich coexist, and in the other there is no class strata.

Assuming that everyone has an equal voice, will these societies behave differently, and if so, why? I have a difficult time believing that the two will be much different. Sure, some voters may be influenced by their own financial status to vote a certain way on certain issues, but I honestly think that this effect would be very small because I don’t think that the rich and the poor are all that different when viewed as EQUALS.

The problem that I see is that the rich and the poor are NOT equals, they do not have the same voice, they do not live by the same rules, they do not have the same privilege.

Let me ask you to comment on this thought experiment. I think it has tremendous importance. And, by the way, this is the hill I keep fighting and dying on. Not the one you think I am on.



I don’t think Iran is a done deal at all, I just think that barring any major external influence from some other nation, any progressive movement in that country has probably been set back by a generation. That is my understanding based on how close I believe they were to achieving a political victory.

For the most part I reject the idea of the http://www.zimbio.com/Black+History+Month/articles/265/Malcolm+X+House+Negro+vs+Field+Negro">house Negroes that Malcom X talked about. You seem to be making a similar argument, and it may have its merits, but I don’t think it is central to figuring out why we find ourselves where we are. I believe basic Americanism is fundamentally correct, that we are all equal. Of course people are not all equal in every aspect, and that is very important. Our basic human rights are how we define our equality and we are currently on path where some folks have more rights than others and it is getting worse by the minute. I think this is where the fight should be fought, which I think fits more closely with what was good about this particular Malcolm X essay and also in your OP and, by the way, with Rosa Parks, God rest her soul.

Like I said, I agree with you on most all of it. Only one small part goes “clank” while the rest is music to my ears.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 09:50 PM
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7. Direct action FTW! nt
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-23-10 09:57 PM
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8. Were you alive during the previous one?
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WeCanWorkItOut Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 12:27 PM
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10. But part of the problem is the "Tory Progressives," who seem so comfortable with big divides
I do not believe that the Tory Progressives,
the ones like Rob Reich, the ones guiding the unions,
want a world in which there is much more opportunity for the lower classes.
A little, maybe. Not too much.

For example, there was so much time in which they could have protested against
the abuses of Wall Street. But they hardly protested at all.

And there's the huge bias in favor of doctors that has helped us get
into this medical crisis. Think how little effort the people
who know better have made to tell others,
yes, they're overcompensated, yes, there's monopoly power at work here.

So people end up thinking, for example, that it's only natural
that they usually can't get health care on weekends, or in difficult areas,
and that nurse practitioners, who could provide the care,
are severely restricted.

Another example: one of the great disappointments of the women's movement
was that it acted so much to the benefit of higher income women.

Unfortunately these Tory Progressives, with their severe class bias,
are whom so many progressives look to for guidance.
They even look to such mediocre (and unpleasant) minds as Al Franken. It's sad.

So I think people need deal with this kind of bias,
and with our ugly tolerance of knowledge-monopolies.
I'm tired of seeing the idealism of good people working to the benefit
of the Tories (Progressive or Conservative),
at the expense of the less fortunate.


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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-24-10 07:09 PM
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12. I've mulled this over for a while, and I have to ask a question.
What's wrong with Al? I honestly think he is one of the good guys. What am I missing here? Am I missing something?
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