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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:34 PM
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Are We Really Worried About Massachusetts?
It is nearing absurdity to think that Massachusetts is on the verge of handing Ted Kennedy's seat to the republicans. It is almost insulting to me, in North Carolina that I am being told to make calls for Democratic support in Massachusetts! This is a media circus. It is a manufactured horse race. With this happening in an electoral vacuum, the full force of the national media is able to focus on and affect the story.

The repukes are pushing the story for it to appear close. They know they can't win it. They aren't going to try to steal it. They are creating this story as their frame. For the next weeks (probably longer) we will hear from the RW-spewers that "The goppers made it close in a place it shouldn't have been close, proof Obama is a failure!". Whether it will actually be close is yet to be seen. But, that is really all the repukes are looking for to claim victory. And, like most of their 'victories', the are devoid of any real gains.

But, hey. The national media wants to make the election a referendum on Democrats and Obama? Fine, we can play that game. When Coakley is declared winner early in the evening, we will know that the American People are still standing with the Democratic Party.


The last Senate race in Massachusetts (granted with an incumbent) (2008):



http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/election_resul... /



The last mid-term race in Massachusetts, for Governor (2006):



http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/2006_electi... /


And, 2004:

http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/2004_result...
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:36 PM
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1. The media's hyping of the polls will end up helping the Dems
by getting them off their butts and to the polls.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:37 PM
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3. I agree.
The voters in Mass are not interested in being portrayed as repukes.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:22 PM
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33. That's what I've been saying
Honestly, if I didn't know the race was this close, I might have sat it out assuming it was in the bag. (Pathetic but true - when you're so blue you don't even think it's a contest...)
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:36 PM
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2. Obama seems to be concerned - he went out of his way during a hectic time to campaign there
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:38 PM
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4. Sure, he is concerned with attaching himself to this
media-created national story. He is on film standing with the winner and is the winner.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:39 PM
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5. I'm worried about it. This isn't 2008 or 2006
Patrick is deeply unpopular. And frankly, as of now, I think Brown will win.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:41 PM
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10. I'll eat my hat if Mass hands it to a puke.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:40 PM
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6. There is no other race for the media to focus on. And the Dems are in power right now.
Plus the media is naturally more sympathetic to those who want to tax the wealthy the least. All 3 things add up to pure media speculation.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:40 PM
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7. I'm not worried.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:08 PM
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21. Me neither---and I live in MA.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:40 PM
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8. I hope you're correct about this. I'm worried. nt
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:41 PM
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9. The media does create drama in order to make money...
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 07:44 PM by Ozymanithrax
but that doesn't mean that the polls are wrong.

I think it hinges on turnout. There are about a half million more registered independents than Democrats, and more than a million more Democrats than Republicans. Independents can swing his in a Republican favor if they vote big. The past doesn't always predict the future.

***Edited to clear up a monstrous misspelling.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:42 PM
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13. All true. I too think, like said upthread, this will get them off their asses.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:42 PM
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11. Okay I'm glad I can relax then
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:42 PM
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12. DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN
something to think about...
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:43 PM
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14. I don't think we'll lose it, but we should always work hard for seats
Personally, I think the whole idea that this would be a cakewalk because it was a blue state and Kennedy's seat was what put it in contention. Voters don't really like being taken for granted and it can cause shakeups.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:51 PM
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15. The main reason to worry is polls show "independents swinging
to Brown. Republicans are good at emotional appeal and
excitement (mob psychology) at the very end of a race.

Focusing on Blue Collar Sections.

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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:53 PM
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17. A week ago. Most polls show Brown's momentum tapering off.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:56 PM
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18. We could use reconfirmation of this.
Do you know of any final polls coming out?
GOTV is key here.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:58 PM
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20. PPP.
They had Brown leading by two back on the ninth. Their poll released tonight should show it a tie.

If that's the case, it will suggest Brown's surge has ended.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:14 PM
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23. Not just ended, but peaked.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:09 PM
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34. Last PPP poll, Brown 51% Coakley 46%
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:52 PM
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16. they elected Mitt Romney when another dem ran a lackluster campaign
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Meldread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:56 PM
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19. I think the best answer to give is: "We just don't know."
I am inclined to agree with you; no matter what the fight is going to be uphill for Brown. To throw out a prediction, I'm going to say Coakley wins by 5 to 10 points, and if by some miracle Brown wins it's going to be by 1 point or less - enough to tie it up in the courts for months.

Why don't we know for certain? It is very hard to poll for special elections. You never know who is going to turn out.

However, at the moment both sides are energized. Republicans believe they have a real shot, so they want to GOTV and Democrats desperately want to hold onto the seat. If there is going to be a depressed turn out then it's going to be on the Democratic side, and that'll naturally favor Brown.

This all brings me back to my original statement: "We just don't know." Therefore, it's better to be safe than sorry. My gut has me cautiously optimistic though, but that's difficult to trust because I don't live in Massachusetts and therefore can't really "feel" which way the wind is blowing.

As for the media, they're of course hyping it for ratings. However, now that they have Haiti to talk about (real news at last), they'll talk about that until ratings start to drop and then shift to something else. The media hype may have worked in favor of the Democrats though, and energized the party enough to have a GOTV to at least equal the Republicans. Without the media hype, I think Brown's chances would have been much better - putting my predicted Coakley victory into a 1 or 2 percentage point margin. Perhaps even enough for a court challenge.
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Raspberry Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:09 PM
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22. Have you checked Intrade lately?
I've heard they are pretty reliable.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:15 PM
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24. I heard they base their numbers only on individual's speculation.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:16 PM
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25. " They aren't going to try to steal it."
Are you sure?....Remember they have done it before...2000-Gore ....2002-Max Cleland and Sonny Perdue lost in Georgia after a Diabold rep installed a patch on machines, to fix a clock, in 2 counties then....Kerry in 2004....Mike Connel who worked for Bush died in a plane crash before he was testify about what happened in Ohio....
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leftygolfer Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:17 PM
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26. This is surreal to me too...but now for reality
We do OUR job in GOTV...and we win. It's that simple. No way they outnumber us. All they can do is outwork us. And shame on us if we let that happen.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:18 PM
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27. How'd Mitt Romney get elected?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:22 PM
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28. They elect lots of R govs in MA, Coakley is flat and was too quiet for too long, AND there is a rec-
ession on which has people very upset and feeling anti-incumbent, and the current D Governor is not popular. Put it all together, and THIS is why she is struggling. Had she hit the ground running hard as all hell the day after he won the primary she'd be in a much better spot. That all said, Dem volunteers are working the phones and ground hard, and with heavy GOTV they can do it, and I damn well hope so.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:26 PM
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29. O.K., so you give me HOPE!1 Thank you!1 n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:30 PM
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30. Well, here's a election result map for Massachusetts we DON'T want to see:
Romney 2002:

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:10 PM
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31. Check back Wednesday morning. I'm not taking anything for granted.
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 09:11 PM by TheCowsCameHome
There's a lot of frustrated and angry people in this state, though, that much I CAN tell you.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:11 PM
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32. I totally agree with the OP.
I posted here yesterday that Coakley will win. It will be closer than it should be, but not as close as the MSM is portraying it.
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