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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:52 PM
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Simple Question: What Purpose does Attacking Progressives Serve?
If we're irrelevant, naive and simple as so many in the DLC (and their admirers) claim, then what purpose does it serve to insult us and then scream at us for causing Democrats to lose elections? How can we influence elections when we're so weak and such a small portion of the electorate?

On the other hand, if we are so powerful that we can swing elections, what makes anyone think that insulting us and telling us to find our own party is a way to keep us in the fold? Is this some sort of reverse psychology? Are the centrists and establishment DLCers hoping that progressives react kindly to abuse?

Could it be that these establishment Democrats really don't want progressive views infiltrating government again? It does seem that there's been a lot of work to ensure that real liberal candidates are smeared and marginalized in most campaigns. I'm sure we all remember what happened to Howard Dean in 2004 and that Dennis Kucinich is more famous for possibly claiming to see a UFO than for his economic policies.

So it makes me curious. Why, exactly, are so many Democrats more interested in taking potshots at progressives instead of listening to what we have to say?
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:53 PM
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1. i have no idea. nt
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:57 PM
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6. No offense, but George Bush has exclusive rights to those four words.
:rofl:
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:59 PM
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10. thank you for making me laugh.
:toast:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:55 PM
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2. You do not define who is a Progressive. I am a Progressive. What part of that don't you get?
It has nothing to do with Progressive Ideals, or discontent or even strategy.

It's the inability of some who call themselves progressive to understand the contentious nature of politics and the necessity for compromise and starting SOMEWHERE rather than insisting on doing nothing and dragging the party as whole downwards.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:56 PM
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5. Case in point.
n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:02 PM
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11. case in point of what?
that was not a coherent response.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:55 PM
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3. progressives arent causing anyone to lose elections.
they know that. if elections are lost its because people are tired of the status quo and sellout in DC. by both parties.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:56 PM
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4. DLCers fear progressives and populists aligning over economic interests
The hard right fear the same thing
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:57 PM
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7. Blame game
No conservative has ever taken responsibility for their fuckups.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:57 PM
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8. makes some people all warm and fuzzy ...
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:58 PM
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9. Scapegoating......
They need someone to blame when their middle of the road, bland, corporate leaning "centrism" comes back to bite them in the ass.

It's the same mentality and mindset that the entrenched washington insiders and media has. If Democrats win it's because they tacked right and acted conservatively. If they lose it's because they were too beholden to progressives.

Heads I win, Tails you lose. Oldest trick in the book.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:03 PM
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12. Um...we have no money?
Let's face it, nearly everything in this country is based on money. Food, shelter, clothing, transportation, everything that we need costs something. I have no problem with that, except when politicians and others abuse it. And that is what's happening now.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:06 PM
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13. Define progressive, then continue.
I don't recognize Obama-bashers and USA-bashers as "progressive." What's your definition?
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:09 PM
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14. I know today's TPM is to question our "progressive" credentials, but I'm not playing that game.
Progressive means what its always meant. Strange that no one was asking this question until today, isn't it? Suddenly, there are a dozen OPs and hundreds of posters asking the same exact question.

Almost seems concerted, somehow... :shrug:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:12 PM
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17. that's because quite a few of us PROGRESSIVES are sick of the small number of DU'ers who want to
claim the mantle of Progressive whilst trashing the Democratic party, Obama and doing their best to disrupt PROGRESS.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:13 PM
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19. Great. Then you define "Progressive" and we'll see if it fits.
n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:12 PM
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18. I played in a few concerts.
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 07:15 PM by MineralMan
Right now, I'm acting alone. I have seen many, and varied, definitions of what is "progressive." I have been a progressive since 1965, when I was in Selma walking across the Pettis bridge. I've been a progressive ever since. I know what progressivism is. It is not what you think it is, nor are many of the "progressives" on DU actually progressives.

So, again, define it, then continue. It's not a game.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:14 PM
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20. One more thing: You are not qualified to define the word
"progressive." Not at all. I know what you mean by it, and it's not a progressive thing at all.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:15 PM
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21. So you want me to define it but then say I'm not qualified to do so.
Make up your mind, buddy.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:09 PM
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15. Because some folks who call themselves "progressives" are against "progress"
and are perfectly content with putting republicans back in power - it's sort of an reverse psychology with them.

and the Obama = Bush crowd are just plain nuts and marginalize themselves.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:10 PM
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16. Because attacking the DFHs means never having to criticize President Lieberman and V.P. Nelson.
Who have actual power to kill the bill and threatened to do just that if they didn't get what they want.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:16 PM
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22. What purpose does attacking people like Coakley serve
when the alternative -- Brown -- is so much worse?
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:17 PM
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23. Locking
Things are very heated and divisive here right now, and this kind of OP really feeds the fire. We are locking it as inflammatory and divisive.

cbayer
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