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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:07 PM
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Does the Catholic church oppose birth control in Haiti? If so, then that's messed up.
Abduct Pope Benedict and release him onto the streets of Port-au-Prince.

There you go, genius. Tell those Haitians to make more Haitians.

You tall-hat-wearing clown.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:08 PM
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1. What on earth is your point?
:shrug:
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:09 PM
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2. Go forth and multiply.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:36 PM
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12. He wants less Haitians.
Presumably because they're poor.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:10 PM
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3. The Pope opposes all forms of birth control
So it's not only about having babies. It's about protection from AIDS too.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:13 PM
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4. You know the answer to your question. Why do you ask it?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:16 PM
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5. I thought we were taking account of all those who have caused that nation woe.
Don't want to overlook such an important player.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:17 PM
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6. The church opposes it everywhere
It's not all about church opposition, The access to contraception is slim because the nation is poor and very underdeveloped.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:18 PM
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7. The Catholic Church has been a major impediment to contraception accessibility. eom
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:25 PM
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9. Would Benedict spend a single Euro to buy a condom? Or does he like large families too much?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:25 PM
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8. However, Catholic countries in Europe ignore the Pope and practice birth control
The major problem in Haiti is lack of education and desperate poverty. Way more people are illiterate than literate, and there is a direct correlation between the average educational level of a country (especially the educational level of a country's women) and a low birth rate.

It's true worldwide, regardless of the religious background of the country. Countries where the average woman has at least the equivalent of a high school education have low birth rates, sometimes below replacement level, as in Japan or (here's the shocker) Italy.

A few years ago in Discover or Scientific American, there was an article about an anthropologist who studied fertility patterns around the world. She found that in country after country, uneducated women didn't want to have one child after another but they didn't know what to do about it or didn't have enough power within the family to make their own reproductive decisions.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:32 PM
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10. Wonderful stuff, Lydia. Does it matter if such education is Church delivered?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:38 PM
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13. Not really
How many Catholic school graduates do you know who don't practice birth control?

One of my grandmother's oldest friend was a devout Catholic whose four (only four) kids went to Catholic schools and colleges. Her sister-in-law had nine kids, all of them Catholic educated, but none of those nine kids had more than three of their own. None of the children of my grandmother's friend had more than two.

I don't know about the legal status of birth control in Haiti, but not everyone there is Catholic. When I was in high school, I had a Haitian pen pal who was a Methodist, and I learned in the aftermath of the earthquake that Haiti is one of the largest dioceses under the umbrella of the (U.S.) Episcopal Church.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:43 PM
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17. Predominantly Catholic, though. With family planning doctrine presumably influential.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:35 PM
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11. So you don't support their reproductive freedom?
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:39 PM
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14. Hey, you would arm them all to control the population.
I started this as an anti-religion thread.

Don't turn it into an anti-gun thread, please.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:40 PM
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15. Way to try and avoid the question. Do you support reproductive freedom in Haiti?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:43 PM
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16. Decrying the Church's opposition to birth control...
...would seem to be supporting reproductive freedom.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:44 PM
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18. Locking
We ask that members utilize sensitivity when discussing some topics, including religion, that might offend other members. This does not qualify as excercising that degree of sensitivity.

Thanks,

cbayer
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