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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:00 PM
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Digby: "Yes, the Democrats are corrupt and inept. But the other side is batshit insane."
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Sunday, January 17, 2010

On Sending Messages

by digby

If my comment section, email and other blogs are to be believed, there is a lot of netroots angst about the Democratic party these days. It's certainly understandable. With the free floating anxiety that's pervasive out in the country as a whole, the horrific spectacle of health care reform sausage making and the toppling of President Obama from his heavenly pedestal, we have the making of a full blown insurrection on our hands. The question is what to do about it.

Many people believe that the only thing Democrats understand is pain and so the thing that will change this dynamic will be to deliver them a loss of their majority and perhaps the presidency to show the consequences of failure to fulfill the progressive agenda. That certainly sounds right, except you can't ever know exactly what lesson will be taken from this sort of pain and if history is any guide, the likeliest one is the simplest and most obvious: they lost because people preferred what the other side had to offer. Obviously, that's not necessarily the case, but it isn't illogical for them to believe that. And the exit polls or whatever other data may be available rarely clearly show that it was base demobilization that caused a turnover. Often people don't even know why they failed to vote and you can't exit poll those who didn't bother.

More importantly, you have the ongoing, pernicious problem of the conservative Democrats who will always pimp the anti-liberal line and their friends in the media who pull the old "this is a conservative country" narrative off the shelf by reflex. Indeed, we can see it in its full glory already manifesting itself with this classic Adam Nagourney piece in today's NY Times:

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There is a fairly compelling theory in political science that says that after political parties come into power, fulfill some pieces of their agenda, get fat and bloated and are finally removed from office, they then tend to deny the reality of their loss and blame it on everything but themselves until they lose enough elections that they finally realize that their ideology has failed. The current GOP is not there yet by a long shot. They are still in the process of doubling down on their radical agenda at a time when the economy is still in ruins, the effects of globalization are being fully felt, the planet is in peril and about to reach a tipping point, and a radical fundamentalist movement is trying to blow people up. I don't think the world can take any more of the right's prescriptions for these problems right now: Lindsay Graham is considered too liberal and neo-Hooverism is their economic program. Yes, the Democrats are corrupt and inept. But the other side is batshit insane.

However, that doesn't mean that there's nothing we can do but wring our hands about how the system is broken and fret ourselves into intertia. The other way to send messages to the Democratic party is through the unsatisfying and often thankless process of primary challenges. Nobody can have any problem understanding that message, not even Adam Nagourney.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:01 PM
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1. That summarizes it neatly. nt
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:19 PM
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6. Yep that about covers it.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:06 PM
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2. K&R
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:11 PM
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3. On that I can agree!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:11 PM
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4. And then folks wonder why fifty percent of Americans do not vote.
Mainly because unless you are in the upper one percent, your interests have as much chance of being served up to you as a homeless person has of sleeping in a mansion tonight.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:15 PM
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5. After W - I know my interests are much better served by someone other than him
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:32 PM
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7. I'm DISGUSTED by all the folks eligible to vote in '04 who did NOT VOTE. DISgusted! nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:37 PM
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9. Don't have to worry about Dubya, he is barred from being POTUS again.. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:35 PM
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8. The problem is that we seem to be relying upon the people who got us into this mess--
the so-called Democratic leadership of the last 20 years--to get us out of it. That idea does not give me much hope since they seem to be in this political game for the money and the power and not the welfare of the country.

I agree about the primary challenges as one major option. That's where my money's going.

Corrupt and Inept versus Batshit Insane

Devil and Deep Blue Sea

Rock and A Hard Place

Rec.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:43 PM
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10. Oh dear, now Digby is part of the Leftist Club for Growth, too?



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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:57 PM
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11. Sending a message is OK as long as the senders are happy to live with the consequences.
From those I've conversed with, the people here who want to send a message look forward to the aftermath.
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