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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:24 PM
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Ideas about UNRECOMMEND.
Since its inception, the Unrecommend Button seems to have caused somewhat of a stir here at DU.

I personally have accidentally pressed it when meaning to Recommend a thread, only to find that I can't "undo" the Unrecommend & change to Recommend. I suspect I'm not alone in this. I would like to see the ability to cancel & "do over" added to this feature.

I also feel it would be much more beneficial for 3 numbers to show:
1) # of Recommends
2) # of Unrecommeds
3) # representing the balance of the two (what actually shows now)

What do you think about these ideas?



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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:26 PM
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1. I have also made that mistake.
n/t
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:26 PM
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2. good ideas
but unrec for mentioning the rec function, sorry I have committed to this. :D
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:26 PM
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3. I think the issue needs more discussion. nt
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:35 PM
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17. No, this issue has already been discussed to death and has been settled on.
It is here and it's a good idea. Deserving threads make it to the greatest page. Rec/UnRec is overrated anyways since they are only good for 24 hours. Kicking a thread is what is important and UnRec has no effect on that at all.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:36 PM
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18. I'm sorry
...I never imagined I'd need the sarcasm tag thingie. Apologies. :D
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:26 PM
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4. I don't even understand of the point of having a unrecommend feature.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:29 PM
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7. I don't understand why people get their panties in a wad over it.
It's vanity.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:38 PM
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22. Because we LOVE to confound people who can show us the error of our ways,
and are always overly willing to do so.

You see? We are propping up your superiority jag.

Feel better?
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:43 PM
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25. Well that sure contributed to the discussion
could you have possibly said the same thing without the swipe? Without the sarcasm? Oh, and if you're worried about someone having a "superiority jag" at your expense, don't make it so easy.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:46 PM
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26. Just responding in kind to your "panties in a wad" sneer, dearie.
You already put yourself on that superiority pedastal.

Hope the altitude doesn't give you a nosebleed.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:14 PM
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44. "don't make it so easy"
:rofl:

:thumbsup:
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
30. Panties not wadded. No vanity, either.
Just an honest effort to make this feature reflective of what is actually happening on a thread.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:31 PM
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11. Well, do you agree with every thread? Would you like a way of expressing your disagreement?
You don't believe that the freeper-trolls here could give a terrible OP the 5 Recs it needs to make to the Greatest page? Do you understand now?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. I suppose I could ignore the post, or address the OP with my reasons
for disagreeing.

How about we require the unrecommender to show their name?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:59 PM
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40. Only if you require Rec to show their name as well. Fair is fair.
How about posts that say, "Obama should be impeached" or "Dennis Kucinich sucks"? Would simply ignoring them be good enough? If you respond to the thread that is actually better than an UnRec because it will kick it to the top of its forum. Without UnRec the freeper-trolls could easily muster the 5 votes needed to move such threads to the Greatest page.

This has all been discussed to death in the past and unless there is some dramatic change, UnRec is here to stay and it is just as valid a way of expressing a point of view as Rec.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
15. I don't even understand of the point of having a recommend feature.
But if we are going to have one we should have the other.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:28 PM
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5. ...
:popcorn;
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:29 PM
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6. I think
a half-second's consideration of this issue is a vast waste of intellectual energy
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:29 PM
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8. I've concluded that the unrec feature is just proof of Skinner's sick & twisted sense of humor.
J/K

:evilgrin:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:30 PM
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9. Reflecting all three numbers seems logical to me and I don't know why someone would argue against
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 03:48 PM by Uncle Joe
having more editing power for themselves to cancel their unrec or rec at least for a limited period of time?

Thanks for the thread, southerncrone.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
42. That was the original implementation
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 05:03 PM by jgraz
It was changed almost immediately because almost every thread seemed to devolve into a flame war over recs and unrecs.

BTW, I think I still hold the record for most unrecs while unrec counts were displayed (yes, it was a thread about unrecs).
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:30 PM
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10. It's only about making the "greatest page"
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 03:32 PM by itsrobert
I never go to the "Greatest Page". The post is still there, "unrecommend" does not remove them. The only reason why some are concern about the "rec/unrec" voting are motivated by ego. If you need your ego stroke go out and do something productive. I have pity on those who's main goal in life is make the "greatest page" so they can stroke their egos.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. +1
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:39 PM
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23. This has nothing to do with the Greatest Page.
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 03:39 PM by Uncle Joe
You could still require a 5+ rec vote margin to make the page.

I see the current system of taking the peoples' rec/votes away from them as distorting the main forum, this symbol <0 is applied evenhandedly to a thread with 100 unrecs and 0 recs as a thread with 105 unrecs and 100 recs.

With this symbol of <0 you can't tell except on rare occasions whether your rec or unrec vote was counted because their is no visibility.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:55 PM
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29. I think that's a 'mercy rule'
Unrec wasn't introduced to make it obvious what many DUers really hate; it was to improve the quality of threads on the Greatest page, by making a difference between "I haven't even seen this thread" and "I have read this OP, and I think it is poor". Admin has decided that the '<0' is suficient to let people know the thread is not well received. If a full count of the unrecs was shown, some DUers would be unrecing just to make it known "lots of people really hate this thread/poster". Unfortunate, but there are DUers childish enough to do that.

Threads that do have 105 unrecs and 100 recs tend to show up in the "very close" list in the 'alternative top 10'.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
35. Nope it's about wanting to shut people up.
And demoralizing them enough so they won't post similar items.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
46. Sounds like some real f'ed up people
Who are easily intiminated by an "unrec"
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 05:50 AM
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51. I'm not.
But I know its what they want.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:22 AM
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53. Yes. It's also painful to have one's pet thread graded in public...
...and to find that it's not as terrifically awesome as one imagined.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:31 PM
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12. well, my rec didn't get you out of minus--I tried. LOVE your avatar, by the way
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:31 PM
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14. I Wish There Was A Time Period (Like Editing) Where
you can change your mind, or fix it, if you gave a rec or unrec accidentally.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:33 PM
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16. Horse. Dead. Beat it more.
:popcorn:
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #16
37. I have a billy bat!
A kingdom of unrecs for a dead horse to beat!

:nopity:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:37 PM
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19. I unrec all threads about unrec.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:38 PM
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21. Those ideas are good, if we can't go with the best idea:
Get rid of the "unrec" feature altogether.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:39 PM
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24. Sounds good to me
I have posted a couple threads lately and they get unrecommended after other people have recommnded them. I'm honestly baffled why they seem to get the unrec's . They are not really controversial and are politely worded. *shrug*

With this idea we could see how many rec's we truly get before and after the "unrecommend" squad shows up.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:54 PM
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28. Exactly my point.
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 03:55 PM by southerncrone
For any Recs this thread got, those who think it's cute to Unrec any thing about the Unrec thread have negated any Recs, simply because.

I know there are trolls & immature characters on DU that engage in this type of behavior all too often.

AND I AGREE......WHY DO WE EVEN NEED THE UNRECOMMEND OPTION!

But if we are stuck w/it, just trying to make it reflective of what is happening. I also like the idea of having the Unrecs to show their name & give reason why. This might actually bring back discussion to DU again.


Edited to fix HTML.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:58 PM
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31. I have to agree...unrec needs to go
It seems to only cause hard feelings and conflict, I really don't understand the purpose of the unrec feature. It is a purely negative vote, why not have only positive votes for threads. If you don't like a thread then you don't vote for it by recommending it, I don't see what the problem with that could be.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:12 PM
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34. giving the reason why rather defeats the point
because it would kick the thread, thus giving a thread the unreccer dislikes more visibility.

Making the names of the reccers and unreccers known might be more open, but would probably increase the sense of 'fights' on DU. For the actual purpose of rec and unrec (ie constructing a Greatest Page for DU, based on the collective wisdom of the members), the present system works better than the alternatives suggested so far, IMO. For other purposes (eg personal feedback), it doesn't work well.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:53 PM
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27. this very post has made the knucklejerk unreccers very upset!
n/t
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:00 PM
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32. There's an unrecommend button? Who knew?!
I may even press it now since I just saw it. Oh, the humanity!
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:07 PM
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33. I don't understand what it is for and how it works, so I ignore it.
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Call Me Wesley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:28 PM
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36. Actually, it doesn't do much.
It mostly keeps threads that shouldn't belong on the Greatest page away from the Greatest page. Of course, these threads don't vanish, they're still there to enjoy and discuss, and only because they're not on the Greatest page doesn't mean they're not worthy. But there might be dupe threads, the same picture/cartoon posted over and over, and so forth.

Of course it'll get abused. What irks me is that no one ever seemed to have started a thread that the 'recommendation' button get abused - and it gets it as well. Before the unrecommend button, you just needed five friends of yours to have anything you ever posted on the Greatest page. No matter what.

Now, this isn't that easy to achieve anymore. Of course, everyone thinks that as soon as the 'Post message' button is hit, it should show up on Greatest. Now, we have a democratic tool that prevents this from happening, and it's a good tool. Otherwise, enable the Lounge for the Greatest page and you won't see any thread there from other forums anymore.

As I said, it gets abused. So does the 'recommend' button. That's how it goes. But it's way better than it was before. :hi:
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. well said
:applause:
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:33 PM
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38. It's a very convenient method for...
1). Lurking freeps to unrecommend threads they don't like

2). DUers who don't like other DUers to unrecommend threads by those DUers

Other than that, it sucks tailpipe. On the order of Moses parting the Red effin' Sea. That's how much this "enhancement" sucks.

:patriot:
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:02 PM
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41. It works great as it is.
No need to change it.

K&U
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:11 PM
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43. I've accidently hit the wrong button too. nt
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:16 PM
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45. What would be FUNNIEST (maybe not best, but fuckin' hilarious)...
would be if Skinner suddenly activated a feature that showed how many threads an individual has unrec'd in the last hour. I think it would go like this:

OP: blah blah blah

replier 1: who the HELL unrecc'd this!

replier 2: Looks like you might have!

replier 1: fuck! you caught me.
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:26 PM
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47. I'd like to see every action on a post, including recs & unrecs & edits, be a kick n/t
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:28 PM
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48. Gosh, you know what would be great?
If all the people who hate unrecommend would hold their breath until it goes away.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:29 PM
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49. I love Unrecommend.
I wouldn't change a thing!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:43 PM
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50. The only solution for all the problems UnRec causes is to not give a shit about it.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 06:30 AM
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52. Unrec...
it ain't broke, and doesn't need to be fixed.

Sid
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 08:44 AM
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54. Unrec is a way for rethug trolls to respond without blowing their cover
Obviously, not everyone who un-recs a thread is a troll - but it does allow them to respond without verbally identifying themselves. Some of the threads that get un-rec'd around here are simply stunning.
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