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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:54 PM
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Nobody mentions Aristide.
Aristide was the democratically elected president of Haiti. OUR government, OUR tax dollars, overthrew him and installed a puppet.

I have no idea if Aristide would be a better president, but his election was certified as clean.

Just like we tried to overthrow Hugo Chavez, and failed. Only in this one bit of imperialism, we succeeded.

:wtf:

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:59 PM
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1. I have posted on about a dozen threads and I started one. I am obsessed with
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 03:01 PM by peacetalksforall
what we did and I am finding all kinds of ironies that make me ever more bitter about the coup d'etat we led with the IMF and World Bank and that was co-authored with and aided by France and Canada.

But, are you talking about us ... are we DUer's not mentioning him or are you referring to the NYT, CNN, etc.?

I have plenty to mention.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:02 PM
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2. apparently he was not governing the way we wanted back then, so I don't know why he
would do any better now. Maybe that's why nobody is mentioning him. Although, I share your views.

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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:04 PM
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3. Do see sources here:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Haiti/Haiti.html

(So much information. No single quote could be sufficient. Do read).
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:23 PM
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4. he is certainly being mentioned on DU-- amy talked about him, and the international news is talking
about him.

ohhh, you were referring to what passes for news in this country?
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:28 PM
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5. Aristide was not favorable for the Haitian elite (often mulattos) and the international businesses
He was on the wrong side of the class and race conflicts.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:47 PM
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6. Aristide has been mentioning Aristide - and its been reported in the mainstream media
ie NY times
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:30 PM
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7. Ironies and history - my view
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 04:34 PM by peacetalksforall
When I look at the US helicopters flying over Haiti with life saving supplies for the people or when I hear George W. Bushs name in relation to Haiti relief or when I look at Sec. Clinton meeting with her team and Haitian dignitaries and other leaders I cant help having thoughts that link the last decade with this decade.

Helicopters: Our military, loaded down with equipment is being photographed all over Haiti to show us what we are doing to help with the earthquake. Well, I cant help picturing 2004 when they were in Haiti to help George W. Bush pull off a coup detat that Aristide all pre-planned. We invaded the country and kidnapped their legally elected President who was trying to help the people and who was supported by the little people the poor and those who had little opportunity. This coup which this country led was a wealth class-corporate coup. The World Bank, and IMF was in on it. Those helicopter soldiers were also most likely all dressed in uniform and the same kind of gear to steal a President for secret reasons - the same gear as they are wearing today.

So President Obama comes in and appoints Secretary of State Clinton and when I try to note what policies were reversed or revised, I cant think of one. Instead we had a coup in 2009 that appears to have been sponsored and supported by our administration - in Honduras, one of the other poorest nations in this Hemisphere. And we have also heard extremely threatening remarks about the leaders in Venezuela and Bolivia by Sec. Clinton or her staff two leaders who are trying to help their people just as Aristide did.

I see irony everywhere. I am bitter about our policies against countries where duly elected Presidents are targeted by the United States of Corporations. And it doesnt seem to matter which administration is in place.

1991 - first coup against President Aristide
1991 first coup against President Chavez (Feburary 4)
2002 - second coup against President Chavez
2004 second coup against President Aristide (February 29)
2009 - coup against President Zelaya with George Bush administration staff as advisors and operatives
2009 - claim by President Morales that a coup attempt against him was discovered and interrupted

This leaves out many other leaders of Central and South America where we were involved in outing and killing.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:41 PM
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8. President Chavez wasn't in office in 1991. He became president in 1999.
And don't forget Chavez was leading an attempted coup d'etat himself in 1992.

Which doesn't mean I don't support President Chavez.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:17 PM
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14. You're right. I remembered it wrong. I think it's too late to edit it. Thanks.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:46 PM
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9. what bullshit. if you think there was a coup against
Chavez in 1991 it's clear you don't know what you're talking about. And there's exactly NO credible evidence that the U.S. was involved with the coup against Zelaya let alone one against Morales.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 05:00 PM
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13. I started to write a reply, but then saw it was you, so I deleted it again...
With people who are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO blind in their support for the president, you can't argue. Facts mean nothing to them.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:22 PM
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16. I apoligize for my mistake about Chavez - 1991. I'm not going to go into Zelaya. We were
blatantly involved and people were killed because of it. The people of Honduras knew.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:19 PM
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15. The second line is wrong. - 1991 - sorry.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:49 PM
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10. he was on CNN a couple days ago , saying he wanted to go back to his country..
his wife was sitting next to him crying.
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duphase Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:58 PM
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11. Maybe bush and clinton will want to meet with him and

get his input. Think?

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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:59 PM
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12. Was Aristide democratically elected? I doubt it.
In the 2000 presidential and parliamentary elections, President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his Fanmi Lavalas party claimed victory with a turnout that hardly rose above 10 per cent of the voters. The opposition, as well as members of the international community, contested the results and accused the Government of manipulating them.

From: http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/minustah/bac...

Aristide's party controlled the Provisional Election Commission. It declared the official results when counting had barely even began. It ignored the constitutional requirement for run-off.

From: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16126

Aristide also was caught up in drug trafficking, cronyism, and corruption (involving a number of telecom schemes).
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:43 PM
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17. Earthquake. n/t
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