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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:41 PM
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Looter burned alive on the streets of Haiti (warning graphic pictures)
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:46 PM
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1. Another link...
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:05 PM
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15. Actually the headline in your link reads
Looter Killed & Burned by Haitian mob as Police Watch

the question then is was he burned alive or was he killed by the mob and then burned as bodies are now being burned

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/haiti/2010/01/15/124835...

in any event that the Haitian police turned him over to a mob is an indication that Haiti is in chaos
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:34 PM
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43. Not sure of your point...
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 07:45 PM by TeeYiYi
"The New York Times said the police brought a man to Ptionville in the back of a pickup and informed a gathering crowd that he had been caught looting in another neighborhood, witnesses said. While the police officers stood by, an angry mob pulled the man from the truck.

The mob stripped the accused looter, then began beating him. They dragged him up the street while pummeling him, then threw him on a trash heap, where he lay vomiting and bleeding.

One man began piling trash on top of him and set it on fire.
As the firelight flickered on an art gallery and a church on opposite sides of the street, dozens gathered to watch the man burn to death.



He was alive and vomiting and bleeding when they lit him on fire to watch him BURN TO DEATH.

TYY
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:49 PM
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48. Doesn't the same thing happen in America?
Didn't someone just burn up a young woman in a dumpster in Miami last week?
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:00 PM
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51. Perhaps. But, without any inclination of intent...
... I am incapable of making an informed judgment.

TYY :shrug:
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:47 PM
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2. In crisis justice and be swith and brutal
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:50 PM
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4. Are you serious?
The police tipped off the crowd and handed this guy off to them so that they could punish him...

This is absolutely wrong.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:09 PM
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19. I have a friend who was in Katrina, she did not have guns before
But is now armed like Poncho Via's army now. When the maturer of live and death for you and your family is measured in seconds, 911 is minute away. I have no mercy for looters.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:18 PM
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22. What evidence do you have that this man was a looter?
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:34 PM
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31. The title.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 03:08 PM
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52. Wow...
Guess that settles it then. We should adopt this here. Print a picture with a title and we can save billions of taxpayer dollars. Who needs juries???

:eyes:
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:28 PM
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39. First of all, it's Pancho Villa...
second of all...oh, why bother?
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:35 PM
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40. You mean you don't know what "the maturer of live and death for you
and your family is measured in seconds, 911 is minute away" means?

How silly of you!

:rofl:
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:46 PM
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46. Yeah, I guess I haven't had enough beer tonight...
to figure that one out. :toast:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 03:13 PM
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53. When the maturer of live and death for you and your family is measured in seconds,911 is minute away
That should join whatever that was "until I explained the situation" thing in du lexicon. Doing community service
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:36 PM
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44. huh?
:crazy:
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:02 PM
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12. From what I've read, we can hardly rely on the Haitian police to be "just" - nor is this "justice"
I am not sure what you meant by your post and I'm not attacking you - for all I know you are being ironic, I give you the benefit of the doubt.

We have no idea for sure that this was really even a "looter" and not some sort of revenge/retaliation. We also don't know if the man was "looting" for water or scraps of food. And even if he were acting for himself alone, trying to survive at the expense of others, even children, or seeking things to sell purely for gain, surely beating a man near to death and then incinerating him the rest of the way is not "justice" as we define it in civilized countries?
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:56 PM
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34. Don't use words you don't comprehend. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:48 PM
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3. But we have people screaming that we don't need no stinking
security.

This is WHY.

What you guys think that desperate people will not do this to aid workers with no backup?

And no, this is not about Haiti... is is insert disaster here.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:52 PM
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5. The security handed this guy to the mob so that they could punish him!
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:53 PM
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7. The Haitian police are hardly the sort of security
to which nadinb refers.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:44 PM
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41. yup, in situs like this you need highly motivated and disciplined troops or militia
who are willing to actually step in and stop the worst of the worst, hopwfully now the troops will be taking over the security and start to bring order..
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:00 PM
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10. That is the local police,
knowing Haitian history I am not surprised actually.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:53 PM
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6. Yeah, this is crazy...
Did you read the story at the second link? It says that the "police" brought this man in the back of a truck and basically served him up to the angry gathering mob. Told them that this guy had been "looting" in another neighborhood.

What police? I had heard that the Haiti police were nonexistent.

TYY
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:00 PM
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11. There IS police, a few of them, but there is
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:57 PM
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9. These people did this BECAUSE the aid has been so concerned with security.
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 01:00 PM by FedUpWithIt All
Read the article. They punished this man to show that they will not tolerate the looters that they think ARE SCARING AID WORKERS.

http://kreyolnetwork.com/looter-killed-burned-by-haitia...

The slow and cautious is what caused this. People are now desperate. It is a travesty and it is only going to get worse.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:04 PM
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14. No it is not... you think crowds do not go nuts
even in regular times? They do... look at a mall for early morning specials on Black Friday.

I know people do not want to see this, but humans can and do get nasty. And this has nothing to do with melanin content, or language spoken.

Now that they have enough troops to start moving in, they will.

Yes they said they had thousands of troops... well now they can start going up in tempo.

And you laugh, but that emphasis in security... comes from people actually dying trying to deliver aid in disasters... well intentioned, but dumb.

Or did you miss the two freelancers from the Dominican Republic who were shot yesterday? To me it was a reminder of why that security is such a necessity.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:19 PM
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35. Well in this case...
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 03:51 PM by FedUpWithIt All
the crowds did not get nasty until they went for more than 4 days without life giving necessities.

Edited to add that even after 4 days the majority stood calmly and patiently for food and water they desperately needed. Perhaps you underestimate the people who are actually watching their loved ones die.

I wonder how patient many here would be if forced to wait for LIFE SAVING water for their children. People cannot even be civil and patient on damned message boards.

A life is a life is a life is a life...whether it be an aid worker or an old man under some rubble. People would do well to remember this.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:23 PM
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38. acually early repprts of violence started two days ago
and here is your free clue of the day... why do you think reporters pulled back to the airport at sundown every night?

They are mostly isolated... but they have been happening.

And let me ask you this... let's assume I went down there as a freelancer... out of the goodness of my heart... I am a trained paramedic. Forget about my family, but what good can I do if I am dead?

Yes that is the real calculus in insert disaster here. Not that my life is more valuable than yours, but protecting my skills at this moment is important so I can do some good.

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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:04 PM
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13. Seems you will say anything to cover your ass.
You don't get it, you never will..."you are everything we expect from years of government training..."
Protocol and all, you know.


And whats with the "we" shit?

You crack me up.
Air drops are not air drops unless you say they are.

Bent.
Thinking.
Yours.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:08 PM
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18. They're not.. they are short haul helicopter drops
I guess the MEXICAN RED CROSS, an NGO, warped my mind.

And those 1500 hours of theory in disaster management and three disasters under my belt make me unqualified to have an informed opinion in this, exactly how dear?...

So exactly what are YOUR qualifications in this?

Oh yes, ye are part of the keyboard commando brigade... what we call tyhoid rumors.



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:34 PM
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30. Yes we are... I deal in reality
you deal in fantasy

And please, thank you for the ignore... after all, what gosh darn it, learn something?

What about three ACTUAL disasters are you missing?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:19 PM
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24. Many DUers screaming that people will be nice and orderly are clueless
even when the lights go out in NYC things deteriorate and lawlessness kicks in - let alone with the current desperation in Haiti. It amazes me how many DUers think everyone will politely share any resource dropped and will only steal from the wealthy and not just someone weaker than themselves.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:24 PM
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27. Mostly they have never been in a crisis situation
and I wish them to remain to be clueless!!! To a point

During the great blackout I was in Cleveland visiting for a family event. Lights go out, I took out the portable I always travel with. It took me two minutes to realize this was not just local. And another five to get sis, BIL and my husband in car on the way to get batteries, water, flashlights and a few other essentials...

As they say, training kicked in and it became how do I keep my nephew, still a baby, my parents and a few others relatively safe.

So we got to the store well ahead of the locals and the locals looked at us a crazy tourists... well we had water, clean water, food and batteries. Other hotel guests did not.

Then we had another problem... sanitary. Flushing toilets... they could not get water up. pumps... so we ended telling the hotel how to deal with that... POOL water and carts....
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:57 PM
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36. Some of us were doing and worrying about such things at 11.
Don't minimize the opinions and concerns of others based on narrow assumptions of their experience.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 06:19 PM
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37. In general people don't, and that is the challenge of
emergency managers... that people in general do not have any idea how to survive in a crisis, and bless their hearts, they make assumptions about human nature.

The other reality is that most people have an attitude that this cannot happen to me.

I am happy you do by the way...

Keep it up.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 04:50 PM
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55. This is true. Civilization ends when the power goes out.
They really must not have liked that guy.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:27 PM
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28. Security is a must, I don't get why more people here don't understand that.
I have never worked in a disaster area but I have worked with certain types of populations having a psych degree and I have been in some not so good situations. Desperate people will do desperate things.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:35 PM
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32. Middle class lives, fairly protected and they truly believe
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 01:37 PM by nadinbrzezinski
this is a movie or a conspiracy.

Reach for your degree....

Let me add a little about the middle class lives. Anderson Cooper said something very revealing about the mindset... he did not honestly realize that a compound fracture could kill in 72 hours from generalized sepsis. Think about it... you got one, you go to the trauma center, they clean it in the OR and pump you full of antibiotics... chances are, in a well equipped hospital it is a serious injury, but highly survivable.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:30 PM
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42. Yes, many live in a world that they think is like the movies.
I have dealt with some people who turned very violent although you would not know just by looking at them. All races, both sexes, different ages. You never know how people will react in a difficult situation. I even worked with troubled boys. Restraining a strong 12 year old is harder then it looks.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:51 PM
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49. Try a three year old that needs sutures
:-)

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:58 PM
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50. I believe that, my own 4 year old does not want me to touch her boo boos.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:56 PM
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Man to man is
so unjust. :puke:
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:06 PM
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16. truly disgusting. I hope this is just an isolated incident. nt
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:56 PM
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8. Wow. nt
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:07 PM
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17. heartbreaking! nt
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:12 PM
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20. I'm sorry, we have no proof that his man looted or if he looted, who he looted.
The story is missing in English and you didn't provide a translation.

This is an unfinished story.

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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:19 PM
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23. see post #1 and 15
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:21 PM
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26. The Toronto Star have this story in English
Edited on Sun Jan-17-10 01:21 PM by Turborama
I considered posting it earlier but decided against it...

Link: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/751792--haiti...

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:17 PM
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21. There is a reason people are worried about security when people are desperate
and government has virtually collapsed. Even without life threatening need the lack of any governance and law and order means survivial of the fittest or vigilante justice or both
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:20 PM
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25. Human nature and crowd dynamics is fascinating to watch
but what a lot of very well meaning people are ignoring is that the book was written with blood, and that yes human nature can at times be very dark indeed.

And it does not matter what melanin content or what language the crowd speaks.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:36 PM
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33. Thank the heavens above that we don't have "swift justice" in
the U.S.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/la_governor_w... /
Katrina: Governor Orders Troops to Shoot and Kill Looters
James Joyner | Friday, September 2, 2005

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco has ordered the National Guard to shoot and kill looters in New Orleans.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 03:38 PM
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54. I've been told since I was kid, NG will shoot to kill looters
This was standard stuff for the hurricane prone gulf coast through the 60's and 70's when I was growing up.

Looters can be shot on sight.

Not something I ever intend to test. We do what I was taught and stock up food and water for at least 2 weeks and haven't had an issue. We were also always taught from the 60's as kids, that relief would take a week or two to arrive and start feeding us and providing water.

Why people think it can always happen in a day or two is beyond me.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:39 PM
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45. Sad but not surprising.
Stuff like these happens in disaster areas.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:10 PM
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47. Dumbfucks
RIP
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