Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

English Cleric: The French are godless, arrogant lazy dogs and they're rapists, cowards and

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:38 AM
Original message
English Cleric: The French are godless, arrogant lazy dogs and they're rapists, cowards and
heretics too.


Lazy, arrogant cowards: how English saw French in 12th century
A twelfth-century poem newly translated into English casts fresh light on the origin of today's Francophobic stereotypes.


By Jonathan Wynne-Jones
Published: 7:30AM GMT 17 Jan 2010


Although it is meant to be an 'entente cordiale', the relationship between the English and the French has been anything but neighbourly.

When the two nations have not been clashing on the battlefield or the sporting pitch they have been trading insults from 'frogs' to 'rosbifs'.


Now the translation of the poem has shown just how deep-rooted in history the rivalry and name-calling really is.

Written between 1180 and 1194, a century after the Norman Conquest united England and Normandy against a common enemy in France, the 396-line poem was part of a propaganda war between London and Paris.

Poet Andrew de Coutances, an Anglo-Norman cleric, describes the French as godless, arrogant and lazy dogs. Even more stingingly, he accuses French people of being cowardly, and calls them heretics and rapists.

It has taken David Crouch, a professor of medieval history at Hull University, months to complete the translation of what is one of the earliest examples of anti-French diatribe.

<snip>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:43 AM
Response to Original message
1. Now go away!
Or I shall taunt you a second time!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:47 AM
Response to Original message
2. from the poem:
A man who dines with the French

Should grab whatever he may

As either he will end up with nuts

Or will just carry off the shallots

A Frenchman would need to own the world

To live as well as he would like.

Because that is something that cannot happen

The French know to hold what provisions they have.

Thats the way they are in their own land

But when theyre abroad theyre even more greedy

And shamefully gorge themselves at every table

Whenever they get near one.

And whenever hosts have them in their homes

They realise the French are such men

So greedy and so avaricious

That he ought to drive them off with kicks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:51 AM
Response to Original message
3. So... basically nothing has changed in 800 years. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 04:53 AM
Response to Original message
4. It's a bit more complicated than that.
At that time the Normans in England where probably still regarded as being French and would still have been subjugating the Saxons. So - the reference could've been an internal one.

At least he didn't refer to them as frogs. :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Oct 22nd 2014, 10:11 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC