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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:31 PM
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What will they do with all the rubble in Haiti when they start clean up?
Dump it in the ocean? Can any of it be recycled?

I know it's way early, but I've been wondering about it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:34 PM
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1. They'll need to build sea walls against rising global sea levels, is my guess.
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 07:34 PM by Ian David
Or someone will find a way to integrate the rubble into "commemorative coins."

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:42 PM
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6. They actually got new land from this one
with the southwest arm of the PauP harbor extending farther out than it did. That's the reason for the mild regional tsunami.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:42 PM
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16. Or just use the rubble for breakwaters
to protect their new port they will hopefully be getting.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:35 PM
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2. A lot of it often can be; it obviously depends on the specific rubble
If a brick wall goes down, most of that's recoverable, for instance.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:39 PM
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3. In San Francisco they dumped it in the bay to create more land mass
Which is kind of a bad idea due to liquefaction issues in future earthquakes, but my guess is they'll do exactly that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:01 PM
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11. Yep. When we get the big one in SF, my condo willl be playdough.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:41 PM
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4. They'll probably dupicate mamposteria construction
that's used in parts of Mexico. Rocks and other rubble are used as filler within a wooden frame and the whole business has concrete poured into it to secure it. The walls are thick and the houses are cool in the hottest weather.

Unfortunately, it's best suited to geologically stable areas because those walls will crumble anew with even mild temblors.

They won't have a choice in Haiti. They'll do what they always do, make do with far less than they need. However, this is probably the fastest and cheapest way to reconstruct.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:58 PM
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8. Good ideas all, I have zero knowledge on building and waste disposal.
But for a small space they're going to have a lot of trash to dispose of in some way.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:32 PM
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21. Too
The reason most houses were built from concrete is that the many hurricanes that hit there are resisted rather well by all that crete.

This is the first quake in 200+ years so now they'll have to rebuild to take in consideration not only canes but quakes too. Life is hard for them, eh?
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:41 PM
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5. they are already salvaging the steel rebar
which is a valuable commodity in Haiti. Ironically, this is a major reason why the damage was so severe--lack of sufficient rebar in concrete construction.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:45 PM
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18. That's true in the slums but the hotels
office buildings and President's Palace all used an international building code/ This was a massive earthquake
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 07:43 PM
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7. Set aside a few tons to bury Limbaugh under.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:00 PM
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9. LOL
:fistbump:
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:08 PM
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12. There isn't enough rubble for that job there! n/t
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jasi2006 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:00 PM
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10. This is an opportunity for "solid waste disposal" reserch to step up.
We may gain a lot of useful knowledge from this catastrophe. One thing I think will be learnd is that hospitals should be built at least as strong as prisons.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:16 PM
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13. Throughout history, and even before, cities have been built
atop the ruins of the same city. In the Middle East, where cities have been in the same place for 4-6000 years, there are many layers.

When a city is destroyed, by natural or human forces, it is reduced to rubble, and the new city built on top of that rubble. The same will occur in Port au Prince, I'm sure. Transporting rubble is uneconomical. Building on top of it, and using what is usable from it, is economical.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:18 PM
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14. I never thought of that.
But it makes sense.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:41 PM
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15. Jericho, the oldest known city, has been rebuilt on itself many,
many times. You may remember the Old Testament story of Joshua and his magical trumpets destroying Jericho. Yet, the city still exists, and is studied, layer-by-layer by archaeologists. It is our human history to rebuild over the destruction. Even American cities like New York have layers of rubble under many buildings.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 08:44 PM
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17. Hopefully they can crush it down and use it for roads and highways
:shrug:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:05 PM
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19. China will take it.
Convert it into pet food and sell it to us.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 09:24 PM
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20. LOL. n/t
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