Freeper Minds Work The Tillman Postulate...

[WillyT]

Ranger told to conceal Tillman info

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m wondering how many American soldiers since the Revolutionary War have died due to “friendly fire”? How would things have been different during WWII had those incidents been reported as such right after each death? While I can understand the family’s anger, I don’t see how any of this helps deal with the fact that this nation is at war with an enemy that began that war against us, not the other way around. And, I get the sense that the Tillman family is now being used by the liberals in this country in their war against the Bush Administration.

2 posted on 04/24/2007 11:38:59 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: SoldierDad

I’m wondering how many American soldiers since the Revolutionary War have died due to “friendly fire”?
Not to mention the fact that disease exposure and starvation claimed a lot more than the battles themselves.

War sucks, that's why we honor those who endure it for the rest of us.

3 posted on 04/24/2007 11:41:28 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

War sucks, that's why we honor those who endure it for the rest of us.

True, all too true. Would that it were (J. Kerry's words) that we could have no war at all, ever. Alas, evil exists in the world and must be fought at every turn. May God Bless those willing to walk into the crucible of war.

4 posted on 04/24/2007 11:46:39 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"The fact that he would have died by friendly fire and no one told Rumsfeld is ludicrous," she said.

She also said she had no evidence to back up this claim, but she had read a book about Rumsfeld and she just knows what kind of guy he is...right!

5 posted on 04/24/2007 11:51:16 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Here's an interesting question:

You are a commander in hostile territory and soldier is accidentally killed by friendly fire. That soldier's hot-tempered brother is a convoy behind the dead soldier's.

Do you want to take the risk of telling a soldier who is already under incredible stress and strain that Billy over there just killed his big brother by mistake?

Does that sound like a scenario that will assist unit cohesion? Would it be better if the brother was informed right away and he snapped and killed another soldier or two?

Thisincident didn't happen on a daytrip to the mall.


6 posted on 04/24/2007 11:51:25 AM PDT by wideawake
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The fact there isn’t a single piece of ‘new information’ is the best indicator this was designed strictly for the partisan witch hunts that have begun.

7 posted on 04/24/2007 11:55:05 AM PDT by Badeye (Fast is fine, but accuracy is Final)
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To: wideawake

Do you want to take the risk of telling a soldier who is already under incredible stress and strain that Billy over there just killed his big brother by mistake?

Excellent point.

Kevin is proving that he is not able to control himself under pressure.

No telling what he might have done.

8 posted on 04/24/2007 11:55:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)

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Link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1822779/posts

Just for the record... really not sure what to make of this poison anymore.

:shrug:

[fudge stripe cookays]

1. This says it all:

War sucks, that's why we honor those who endure it for "the rest of us".


The rest of us...meaning piece of shit chickenhawks who do nothing but give lip service to this stupid war.

[WillyT]

2. Exactly !!!

They "honor" them, but ain't no way they're gonna join them in the fight.

:banghead:

[bananarepublican]

7. I wonder what these 'mental giants' said about the Walter Reed foul up?

Have all right-wing-fanatics been labotomized?

[tyedyeto]

3. From Desert Storm in 1991:

I knew this kid before Desert Storm.

The Home Front: War's Real Cost
Monday, Feb. 18, 1991 By MICHAEL RILEY/COULTERVILLE

Last Saturday they buried Thom Jenkins beneath the soaring pines of California's Sierra Nevada. As silence again envelops Dudley Cemetery, echoes of a U.S. Navy chaplain's words linger: "Thomas Allen Jenkins, your sacrifice will not be forgotten. Your courage stands as a beacon of liberty. You exemplify the U.S. Marine Corps motto, 'Semper Fidelis.' "

Lance Corporal Jenkins was one of the first ground soldiers to be killed in action in Operation Desert Storm. He turned 21 last August, just two days before leaving for Saudi Arabia. He was killed, perhaps by friendly fire, in a clash near the Kuwait border. On Feb. 9 he returned home to Coulterville in a flag-draped casket, both a hero and a haunting reminder of war's real cost. His handsome freckled face reflects the human toll of a conflict sanitized by high-tech smart bombs and camouflaged by antiseptic acronyms like KIA (killed in action).

Big cities may be able to absorb the death of one young man with indifference, but in places like Coulterville (pop. 115) the loss strikes home with intense personal force. "If I could trade for Thom, I'd do it," says the distraught Marine who helped recruit him. "Poor kid."

Shortly after the Marine messengers appeared on Tom and Joyce Jenkins' front porch with the horrible news about their only son, the word blazed across these drought-stricken mountains like a runaway forest fire. The close-knit community of this historic gold-mining town, one of simple values and sturdy folk, circled its wagons around the family, including Thom's sister Jamie, 19, in a show of patriotism and support. But the Jenkins' selfless stoicism is even more telling. "Our boy came home, and we know exactly where he's at," says Joyce, 39, who drives a school bus. "But there's lots of other men and women over there who need our love and support." She wears a sweatshirt with a yellow ribbon and a simple message: 'TIL THEY ALL COME HOME.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,972367,00.html

It turned out he was killed by 'friendly fire' but that wasn't released for many months after he died. I lived there as it was happening.

Like Daddy like Son?

My heart goes out to the Tillman family.

[tyedyeto]

4. The Tillman family angst reminds me of this much earlier story

so I will kick this post.

[WillyT]

5. Thank You...

Don't know if I can take much more of this...

:grouphug:

[tyedyeto]

6. I know what I posted was a 'trip down memory lane' but...

the whole 'story line' smacks of what I recall back in 1991 during the Elder Bush War.

And it ain't pretty, sad to say.

[bananarepublican]

8. GHWB stabbed Saddam in the back! It seems that being an ally of the USA doesn't pay in the long run.