Pat Tillman Hearing: Live now

[Roxy66]

I'm watching MSNBC. His brother is speaking.... he is breaking my heart.

[Roxy66]

1. He is pissed!

[BuyingThyme]

8. He is very good. So is his mother. This might take a while.

[H2O Man]

2. It is heart-breaking.

His brother is a powerful speaker.

[hwmnbn]

3. His brother's opening statement is devastating....

in it's incredible detail. This is the real story.

[Mabus]

4. "I'm Pat Fucking Tillman!"

Oh man, to hear your own brother telling others to stop shooting. :cry: Heartbreaking.

[magellan]

11. OMG

He was shouting who he was and they kept firing? Is that what this means?

[wicket]

16. He was shouting it over and over

He was fragged IMHO :grr:

[SpiralHawk]

20. Yes, fragged

Seems that way...

And then the Chickenhawk republicons lie lie lie

lie to his family.

lie to America.

Lie to the world

To use Tillman for their lying propaganda about the war.

[wicket]

45. At first, they didn't want to send him to war

They wanted him to be stateside and be a recruiter, but he refused to be their poster boy.

[paparush]

25. Tillman, handsome, articulate, famous, was going to come home and

give a HUGE boost to the Kerry Campaign, as a disallusioned war vet.

Therefore, according to the Rove/Bush doctrine, Tillman had to die.

[wicket]

43. Exactly

It's heartbreaking :cry: :cry:

[Mabus]

139. Yes. That is what it means.

He yelled at them who he was.

I started crying and I've been a basket case since then. I knew. But to hear his brother say it. It hurts so badly. I just hope that everyone who has lost a family member has someone with them when they watch/hear this.

[youthere]

5. Can someone make this an official thread?

these hearings will be incredibly revealing.

[Grandrose]

6. In creditable testimony!

:cry: Devastating

[Roxy66]

7. Wow...he is taking them to task...big time!!

[hwmnbn]

9. Oh man!! This guy is laying it all out.....

"This is not a misjudgement, this is a lie"

He is accusing everyone of deceiving his family and the public.

He is listing many examples of similar cases.

WOW!!

[babylonsister]

10. "Misleading information" my hind quarters; they were all lied to!

:grr: Someone needs to pay; let's start from the top.
This young man is wonderful, emotional, and I feel his pain.

[Roxy66]

12. Jessica Lynch up now!!

[JoMama49]

13. I'm really impresssed with Pat's brother! Apparently Pat Tillman

revealed his opposition against the war right before he was killed.

[wicket]

15. Yes, he did

And he also had plans to meet with Noam Chomsky when he got back from the war (Chomsky has confirmed this).

[Roxy66]

14. Jessica is very poised

[H2O Man]

17. She is.

It is going to be hard for the powers of darkness to attack either of these powerful wittnesses.

[Pachamama]

19. Talk about courage...imagine the power of the people behind the lies and the fact that she is taking

them on and calling them out as liars...

She didn't need nor want the attention and she is truly honorable....

[H2O Man]

26. Exactly.

The fake "hero" business wasn't necessary. She is a powerful human being. She is a hero for what she is doing today. You could feel the pain she deals with. And she will inspire people with her decision to tell the truth, in the face of an enemy as cold and calculating as any on earth.

[wicket]

40. As soon as she spoke out with her version of the story...

The Bush admin leaked the fact that she had been anally raped. These pigs know no bounds! :grr: :grr: :grr:

[H2O Man]

69. They are evil.

They will try to compromise her strength by attempting to publicly humiliate her. It will not work. There is a strength in that lady that those who live in gross darkness do not comprehend. They view her as being "weak" because she is young, female, and cute. There may have been a time when she would not have considered standing up to them, but that time is long gone.

[wicket]

154. She says she isn't hero....

....but I beg to disagree with her. Kudos to her for standing up to these corrupt thugs!

[Pachamama]

159. And yet in this case, their evil was conquered by her goodness and strength

They calculated that because she was the young, cute female, they could control her and she would do as they say or they would crush her. I did not know that she had been raped (anally or otherwise) - how awful and the idea that they would publicize this to use as further propaganda (the Iraqis are rapist animals) or to humiliate her about the rape, is disgusting. But now knowing this additional fact of what she has faced, I feel even more that she is a real "hero". Their evil that seems to know no bounds, is now being defeated by someone like her who is courageous, stronger and has more integrity than they could have imagined, primarily because none of them have courage, strength or integrity.

[Ahpook]

23. Curious how..

That filthy pig Limbaugh and everyone like him will spin this?:mad:

[SpiralHawk]

Limbaugh: "Because I am a distinguished republicon chickenhawk...

"Who was afflicted with anal pimples, and thus prevented from serving America in any way shape, or form, I am qualified to say that Pat Tillman's family is unpatriotic, or whatever."

- Rush "anal pimple draft dodger" Limbaugh

[H2O Man]

31. Right.

Because the Truth -- and these two were witnesses for the Truth -- reveals the ugly, dishonest, evil nature of the swine corp, we can be sure they will not address their powerful testimony. Instead, they will attempt to distract and distort. Their nature precludes them from using any tactic other than lies and vicious personal attacks.

[Roxy66]

18. "They chose to lie"

[jasmeel]

21. WOW! Keep us updated on what's going on please! Thanks!

[hwmnbn]

22. Jessica Lynch....

"The truth is always more heroic than the hype"

She ended her statement with that sentence.

I'm blown away by this testimony.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. This is very powerful and important testimony. It is exposing the propaganda machine. eom

[hwmnbn]

27. The doctor who treated Jessica....

is now saying he never saw bullet wounds. He is refuting the official assessment of her wounds.

[jasmeel]

29. WOW! Can anyone get into trouble for any of this? Exposing it is

the first step, but then what?

[Jacobin]

158. holy crap. really?

I don't know why I continue to be amazed at the lies they tell. It just never ever stops

[Norquist Nemesis]

28. Just tuning in, Q&A--WTF? They only get 10 minutes?

Waxman just said "for the 10 minutes that we have on our side". :banghead:

[hwmnbn]

30. questioning begins...

Miller (D-Ct) praising them for telling the truth. Expressing condolences to Tillman family.

[Norquist Nemesis]

32. oops - Miller

Wonder was Tillman means by 'don't want to tell you or anyone else why we decided to join'. :shrug:

edit: sorry - saw the nameplate and thought it was Murphy. *blush*

[orleans]

33. interesting that kevin tillman says he is not comfortable telling

why him & brother pat joined the army....

[jasmeel]

34. Why isn't he comfortable? I thought it was in response to 9/11.

[Norquist Nemesis]

35. Yea, I don't get that one either

That was weird.

[underpants]

38. They never wanted to be used as recruiting tools

they both said that they both had never done anything to deserve all that they got. Their family served in every other war but they had not so they joined. They drove to Denver if memory serves so the story wouldn't get out.

I would guess that that is his reason.

[orleans]

51. that's what i heard too; the 9/11 reason. n/t

[Solly Mack]

36. maybe he doesn't want his words twisted

[butterfly77]

37. I want to hear what chris shays has to say...

he always blames the victim...

[fooj]

39. I am so proud of these families.

TRUTH is our most powerful weapon! Is it any wonder Dick is hiding out today?

[bdamomma]

I hope more families speak out against this illegal war.

[hwmnbn]

41. Tillman saying.....

The first battlefield report was detailed and then it went missing. He is laying out the timeline of the investigation and how he was informed of the "possibility" that it was fratricide.

"my chain of command just gave me the run-around"

[Buttercup McToots]

44. where is this?

on the net?
I thought it was on at 2 this pm...

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. CSPAN 3

Although was also being aired on MSNBC apparently; not sure if it still it airing.

[Enrique]

55. c-span radio is carrying it

http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=cspan/cspan/wmlive/cspan4db.asf&proto=mms?mswmext=.asx

[Roxy66]

42. Mary Tillman now

[Roxy66]

46. Very smart family. They knew this was all bullshit

[fooj]

53. Mary Tillman is an inspiration, imo. So is her son.

[Norquist Nemesis]

54. They were prepared and understood what happens on the battlefield

What an amazing family.

[orleans]

47. anyone else hear that buzzing? is that a freakin fire drill or something? n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

56. There's often buzzers like that during the hearings

Sometimes I wonder if it's vote call warnings or something. :shrug:

[RebelOne]

57. I heard it. It's something in the sound system. Stopped now.n/t

[Solly Mack]

48. "it didn't add up" - Mary Tillman

story kept changing

[hwmnbn]

49. Tillman's mom now speaking.....

relaying how all the inconsistencies came about.

This lie was so blatant, it couldn't be sustained. This family knew they were being lied to.

[Roxy66]

52. So, are the Repugs going to make excuses now?

[Solly Mack]

59. Yes

[Norquist Nemesis]

60. Why is it the Cons always feel the need to tell us whether

an issue is 'partisan' or not?

[AlCzervik]

61. no kidding, zip it Davis.

[slowry]

63. What did he say about

"we'll write a report and have both sides", basically interrupting her at one point(??). wtf.

[AlCzervik]

65. both sides want answers, thats basically what he said.

[Solly Mack]

62. Because they are partisan about the issue

it's the we aren't partisan BUT ...

[hwmnbn]

58. Tillman's mom is going after the paper trail....

of the silver star award. They knew right away it was friendly fire, and they don't normally award the silver star for that. WHO signed the papers?

Oh-oh. It was a repug who asked what questions she still had outstanding. He is now on the hook for finding this info out.

[AlCzervik]

64. oh dear, i actually agree with Dan Burton "They wanted to create heros"

[Norquist Nemesis]

66. Except that he's a card carrying member of the club. n/t

[AlCzervik]

68. i know but he was correct and it's so wrong.

[shance]

118. That was just the "gravy" for them. They were more scared of the truth being outed.

The truth stops wars.

[fooj]

67. Tillman's brother can't hide his DISGUST and ANGER.

Just WATCHING him is very powerful.

[Roxy66]

70. Pinning it directly on the White House!!!

[hwmnbn]

71. Cummings (D-Md).....

entering e-mail from White House asking for info of Tillman's death to use in upcoming speech.

Bringing the chimp into this. WH knew the true facts weeks before the memorial.

[Solly Mack]

72. "tough to believe the WH didn't know" (the truth)

[underpants]

78. or plan it

In MY humble opinion

[Solly Mack]

80. exactly!

[hwmnbn]

73. Tillman's mom.....

bringing in Rumsfeld. She is saying she's read about Rummy's MO that all info would have gone thru him.

She wants to know his role. The fact Tillman's friendly fire incident would not have reached Rumsfeld is unbelievable.

[fooj]

74. She is an incredible woman.

[Solly Mack]

75. "the other side" (sheesh)

but we're not partisan...

[hwmnbn]

76. Repug blaming it on the beuracracy....

[Norquist Nemesis]

77. uh-oh----Kucinich up now

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Norquist Nemesis]

79. Questions re: destruction of physical evidence

asking about orders given to destroy Tillman's clothes and burn what was "in the bag" for security purposes

[hwmnbn]

81. Kucinich up.....

Thanking them for the truth.

Going after destruction of physical evidence. Orders were given to destroy Pat Tillmans uniform, and notebook.

Who made the decision to cut uniform off? 90 minutes after the fact they tried CPR. All the things that didn't make sense.

The extent of Pat's injuries were such that CPR was ludicrous. Pat had no brain, his head was shot off. Why try difribullation?

Wow!!

[Horse with no Name]

147. This is interesting because

There might have been other injuries that could be explained away by saying they did CPR...rib fractures, punctured lungs, etc.
Defibrillation can also cause singes of the skin and hair. I wonder if they were going to try to say it was some type of Iraqi weapon?

[Solly Mack]

82. Pat had no head(more or less), dead 90 minutes, and then CPR

[Mist]

85. Wow, first I've heard of this. Incredible. nt

[Solly Mack]

91. It's sickening

[orleans]

87. how more obvious is it that there was a cover-up? (how horrible!) n/t

[Solly Mack]

90. I know...sickening, unreal...and people got away with the cover up

(so far)

[youthere]

83. I can't imagine how painful this must be for this family.

[youthere]

84. R-Issa up now.

[AlCzervik]

88. Issa is truly a douchebag of liberty at this hearing.

[tsuki]

94. At any hearing. Fighting with Tillman now.

[AlCzervik]

102. i cannot believe how rude he is, let them speak for cris sakes.

[fooj]

86. Issa is a snake. Can't wait until he goes down w/Cunningham.

Asshole.

[tsuki]

89. If someone spit on Issa, I can't fault them. He is such a tool. n/t

[fooj]

92. He is a tool, however, he has met his match.

[Mist]

101. Issa's trying hard to put words in Tillman's brother's mouth, but it's not working. nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

109. He's trying to pin a "conspiracy theorist" label on him

"What is your evidence???" Never mind the fact that they have not been able to get answers and UN-redacted documents!

[tsuki]

157. Has anyone noticed how different he is when he appears on Bill

Maher? Or is that just me?

[Norquist Nemesis]

93. Very proud of KT for holding his ground on Issa the Asshole!

:applause:

[youthere]

95. I'd like to spit on him right now. What a weasel.

[AlCzervik]

99. he's trying to paint them as tin foil hat conspiracy nuts.

[fooj]

107. Issa's days are numbered. He's up to his eyeballs in the Lam

attorney scandal among OTHER things.

[AlCzervik]

111. i hope so, is he your district? I'm in district 3 Lungren (r) asshat and Doolittle is

up in my attic in district 4.

[fooj]

122. No. Thank goodness. Farr is my Rep.

I just KNOW all about ISSA. He is a pathetic excuse of a human being and he is nothing but a tool. Like I said, I believe that his days are numbered.

Mike Honda (District 15/ Campbell) is Tillman's Rep. He is awesome. I guess I'm lucky. I have Farr and Honda is the Rep. 30 minutes away.

[AlCzervik]

96. Have the McCain comments been brought up yet? The one where he said

Tillman would be the best recruiting poster ever?

[fooj]

103. Are you serious? He really said that?

OMG. :grr:

[AlCzervik]

106. yes, that was before Tillman was killed.

[fooj]

OMG. Thank you for sharing that. I didn't know.

[fooj]

97. Woot! Jessica SMACKS the media.

[BuyingThyme]

98. Darrel Issa: "I will now put words in your mouth in order to

protect the criminals who covered up the cause of your son's death."

What a fucking animal.

[butterfly77]

100. Yes, there was a conspiracy...

[youthere]

105. Yes, but only if you look at the facts.

:eyes: You know how republicans feel about facts.

[hwmnbn]

104. Mother fuck this Issa bastard.....

he was at Kent State where people were spitting on uniforms.

He's trying to corner Tillman into denigrating the soldiers. Motherfucker!!

Who are the "theys" who hero-ized the story.

Do you think there is a conspiracy by politicians to foster untrue statement? He wants to get these folks into a pissing war with the chimp. That bastard.

It's HIS job to investigate!!

[fooj]

110. Clay is on fire!

[Solly Mack]

108. Issa is a piece of shit...trying to mock the families

ridiculing them by attempting to marginalize them with his "conspiracy" comments

did multiple people conspire cover it up? then it was a conspiracy...and trying to mock people so others will discount them is the tactic of a scared person

[Mist]

112. Ridiculing the family of a dead soldier--good tactic--NOT. nt

[fooj]

113. Issa's days are numbered.

He's a f*cking criminal. Ask Carol Lam. Ask Cunningham. He's up to his eyeballs in this administrations bullshit. YOU BET he's SCARED. He's fighting for his political life.

[slowry]

115. I can't fucking believe I just witnessed that.

He didn't even try to pretend he gives a fuck about where they're coming from. I wish Jessica Lynch wasn't so thrown by his use of the word "conspiracy".

[ropi]

114. we need to start a new thread

i am reading this along with watching cspan..someone lock and start fresh?

[Norquist Nemesis]

116. How soon before Mica asks the Tillman's and Lynch if

they are Democrats.

[ShortnFiery]

117. Blaming Corsine ...

:wtf: does the Gov not having his seatbelt on to absolving the military of NOT hyping up the Lynch "Heroine" story. What a partisan HACK. :puke:

[Mist]

120. Yeah, this has to do with Tillman and Lynch HOW? nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

124. The same way that murder statistics in DC or Detroit

have to do with deaths in Iraq...nothing!

[seemunkee]

121. Did he ask a question?

I'm trying to listen and work so I might have missed it.

[ShortnFiery]

123. No, he just insulted the Governor of New Jersey (rabbit punch) and then insanely

attempted it to tie into the "shit happens" excuse. He only asked the IMO naive Ms. Lynch to nod her head in approval when he pontificated, "I don't think that anyone went out to spread lies about your bravery ... they wouldn't do this outright, would they?" :eyes: IMO, this young woman is still drinking the overly-blind patriotic koolaid. :(

[orleans]

128. "this young woman is still drinking the overly-blind patriotic koolaid"

that was my impression too.

[ShortnFiery]

146. Please don't construe this as disrespect, IMO she's just not old enough to

be skeptical. I often error on the opposite side: too jaded. :blush:

[Norquist Nemesis]

127. He sang the same old "Tra la la Democrats are Evil! Do wap diddy" song

No questions.

[aljones]

119. WTF is Mica even talking about!!!

Did he even pay any attention to what was said...

[AlCzervik]

125. Diane Watson---you go! "There will be a counter attack"

[goclark]

151. Go My Congressperson ~ Go!

She connected Shoshanna as verifying what Jessica said today.
She said that Shoshanna told her the same thing when she appeared in California.

Jessica is a hero ~

[ropi]

126. I think I love Watson!

she just pointed out how there's going to be a counter attack on the desire to bring forth the truth.

[fooj]

129. Didn't you love the way she said

"This is what YOU told us IN FRONT OF THE PRESS but this is not what was reported BY THE PRESS." Can you say PROPAGANDA? That was BRILLIANT!

[ropi]

131. yep!

:-)

i love how questions are coming from one side of the aisle....

the other side, however....

[ShortnFiery]

130. Another Republican Senator ... Hayes with the tried and true "shit happens" excuse to move on ...

Bringing up all kinds of fluff but, in essence, claiming, "There's nothing to see here." :eyes:

[aljones]

132. Sure, Blame it on the doctor and Jessica Lynch....

the government did make stuff up, they did!!! Evil GOP f*ckers

[ropi]

133. dr. bolles asked to sign a document?

non-disclosure about lynch?!!!

*grrr*

[Norquist Nemesis]

134. It's unclear who asked him to sign the non-disclosure

Was that the military?

[ShortnFiery]

135. The Republicans love to deal with Lynch because they can extrapolate on her

case to score points for themselves. :(

OMG Shays up now. :puke:

[butterfly77]

137. Time for blaming the victims...

If not, I will be surprised...Shays is a ass..

[Norquist Nemesis]

141. Better...he just basically called K Tillman a liar

'I can't believe that anyone thought they could get away with it with you there. I just can't believe it!'

IOW, you're a liar.

[Norquist Nemesis]

136. Ah, Shays going after the easy target: Lynch

The Cons have given up trying to go after the Tillmans.

[ShortnFiery]

140. He's taking a wrong turn now ... can't butter up "Kevin" Tillman enough to play therapist.

Oh, Shays is one smarmy dude and I don't know where he's taking these comments (no questions yet), but it can amount to no good. :(

[Mist]

138. Shays manages to blame Lynch for not setting the press straight, BUT SHE

JUST SAID SHE COULDN'T TALK TO THE PRESS WHILE IN THE SERVICE.

[ShortnFiery]

142. Now Shays is putting the witnesses on the defense.

Enter Kevin Tillman. Yes! :applause: Take over and put Shays in his place. :thumbsup: "READ IT!"

He should not have asked to call him Kevin. LOL

[hwmnbn]

143. Tillman's mom just smacked it out....

The investigation is a sham, the generals are scapegoats.

This woman is intense and focused. I would not mess with her.

[ShortnFiery]

144. I imagine Shays yipping all the way to his corner. :P

His approach was condescending and they both (K Tillman and his Mom) shoved his insincere words back down his throat ... albeit intense, she maintains her sense of dignity and is well understood. Bless her! :hug:

[tsuki]

145. I was watching the fireworks and msnbc goes to football. Yech.

I wanted to see Shays get his butt kicked.

[fooj]

148. They ALWAYS cut away. It's SO obvious what they are doing.

[tsuki]

156. I had to reboot to get the Tillman hearing again. Arrggggh. nt

[fooj]

149. The General refused to testify. WHY doesn't that surprise me?

[fooj]

150. Not Christian? Worm dirt? WTF?

Why is this man still serving in the military?

[librechik]

152. it is streaming on C-span3--It makes me so angry that so few can see this

along with so much of history, hiding under cover of the media
s fear to mention the actual crap that is going on.

[fooj]

153. It's on CSpan 3. I wish they would televise it on ESPN.

Hopefully, this will get alot of play through ESPN. A heard from a good friend that ESPN has REALLY focused on this. When the truth FINALLY emerges, there won't be ANYWHERE these treasonous, rat bastards will be able to run and hide.

[Vodid]

155. Burning Question for Jessica Lynch...

She mentioned that her Iraqi captors had tried to return her to the Americans in her opening comments...how come nobody has asked her about that?