Obama Caught On Tape Lying 8 Times About Health Care Negotiations

[kpete]

OBAMA CAUGHT LYING EIGHT TIMES ABOUT HEALTH CARE NEGOTIATIONS

The C-SPAN Lie? See Eight Clips of Obama Promising Televised Healthcare Negotiations:

VIDEO:
http://www.breitbart.tv/the-c-span-lie-did-obama-really...

[liberal_at_heart]

1. We're certainly not getting the transperancy he promised

[tabatha]

2. There WERE televised negotiations.

Hours and hours of them.

[Romulox]

4. "We televised the negotiations before we didn't."

"Depends on what the definition of 'televised' is."

"Joe Lieberman won't go for it!"

[tabatha]

90. Obama has been far more open than the previous administration.

While I would like 100% perfection, I will cut Obama some slack because overturning Washington in a year is not possible.

He has

a) started declassification of documents
b) opened up WH visitor logs
c) posted bills on the internet
d) televised a large number of the health care debates

If you would like to condemn him on less than 100% rating, then fine, settle for 0% like the last admin.
I would settle for B+ and hope that at the end of his four year term he can get to A-.

[HughMoran]

105. It's true

I think anger is clouding a lot of people's minds at this time.

[tabatha]

107. I just can't believe that people expect Obama

to have wave a magic wand and make all problems disappear.

I know he and Pelosi and Reid and others are working really hard, against obstacles not of their own making.

And no one appreciates that.

[slipslidingaway]

9. Post the link to the negotiations on the 80 billion dollar deal with PhRma. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

47. Post the links to the negotiations where these deals were cut. n/t

[tabatha]

91. See #90.

[slipslidingaway]

99. There is no link in that post to the Billy Tauzin - WH deal. n/t

[Romulox]

3. Axelrod not as net savy as reported--seemingly doesn't know about video on the web...

[rudy23]

7. That's what happens when you run the Clinton playbook from '94. Triangulation went out with Prodigy

You can't triangulate when people can easily index, search, and present your contradicting statements right alongside each other.

[Romulox]

10. But he has this *email list* man--you don't even know!

An email list + the same old bullshit = the new era of political dominance?

I just think it's funny that that Plouffe guy is running around bragging on this email list, like it changes the whole game. As a few articles have mentioned, these "net savvy" operatives seem to have envisioned a new form of top-down communication. Doesn't work like that.

[rudy23]

12. Rovian tactics don't work on Dems, like triangulation doesn't work in 2010

These geniuses need to figure this out, fast.

[clear eye]

56. For instance, how many Americans have the WH on their "blocked senders" list? n/t

[TheWraith]

78. Given that he keeps kicking the ass of people who go against him...

...I'm going to trust the opinion of the guy who got the President elected rather than the anonymous internet mudslinger.

[tabatha]

92. See #90

[MercutioATC]

5. Shit! I must have missed the televised negotiations on C-Span!

Anybody have them TIVOed?

[golddigger]

6. They all lie.

From "read my lips" to "let me be clear."

[GreenPartyVoter]

87. +1

[graywarrior]

8. Nice.

One comment wishing that Obama falls the same way JFK & Lincoln did. Good company you keep.

[Romulox]

11. LOL. Have we committed a thought crime by watching this video?

Inform the SS; none of us is responsible for what some idiot posts on the web.

[guruoo]

58. Now that's transparency.

[slipslidingaway]

13. Let the Sun Shine In: Barack Obama’s Broken Promise on Open Government

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/22495

"...Recall that shortly after Obama made those promises, he met in secret, behind closed doors with the representatives of major insurance companies to discuss health care reform. His administration denied this until the New York Times broke the story and gave the details of the meetings. Shortly after those secret meetings, President Obama gave up completely on any public option (it’s " a sliver", which was really an understatement of how little he thought of it) and began talking about "insurance reform" not "public health reform". His talk to both houses of Congress in September introduced a mandated system of insurance which Dennis Kucinich rightly called "the wrong approach, a sell-out to the insurance companies."

So now the same man who campaigned and won an election largely on the promise that he would do things differently in Washington is doing the same old things the same old ways: in secret, in smoke-filled rooms, behind closed doors.

But as another diarist here put it, some called Obama’s bluff. Powwow has a good diary up called "Let the C-SPAN cameras in, Democrats. That’s a very worthwhile read but Powwow discusses some things I don’t (especially filibusters) and vice versa. I think the blame for this broken campaign promise should be laid at the foot of the man who made it to the American people: Barack Obama. He’s also the guy who nixed the public option, who took single payer single-handedly off the table, and who, in Sen. Russ Feingold’s assessment, got exactly the insurance based bill that he originally wanted.

Now the final details of that bill, perhaps the most important piece of domestic legislation since the 1960’s, will be hammered out in secret, behind closed doors at the behest of the leader of the Democratic party..."

[inna]

31. excellent post, thanks for the link! nt

[slipslidingaway]

43. you're welcome and ...

[clear eye]

80. My read is that RE lied to the President about how many Senate votes the weak version PO had.

Since Harry Reid was about to bring that version to a vote, and was under pressure to make sure a HCR bill passed, you can be pretty sure he'd counted to 60, even if he had to put the screws on Lieberman. So what appears to have happened was that Lieberman complained to RE; RE claimed to the President that there weren't 60; the President told Reid to give Lieberman what he wanted including elimination of the public option.

I wouldn't put it past RE to manipulate the President to do what RE thinks is needed to guarantee corralling all corporate money for the Dem Party. And it's worked, going by all the articles claiming the R party is broke. Of course aligning Dem policies to corporate demands this way is good only if you think an opposition to a program potentially fatal to our form of gov't and the livibility of the planet is optional.

[slipslidingaway]

101. That could well be true, but after saying for months people would...

have a choice between a public and private option he then started to downplay the significance instead of pushing it as a central point.

[tabatha]

94. See #90

[slipslidingaway]

100. You need to try again - Tauzin was at the WH at least 11 times...

Obama announced the 80 billion deal with PhRma, obviously after some negotiations.

Where is the link to those negotiations.

[tabatha]

104. You missed the point of what I was saying.

[jaxx]

14. brietbart?

This same video was posted on another forum by the other side. WoW I can't believe it's on here.

[meegbear]

15. No shit. UNREC.

[Parker CA]

22. +1

[butterfly77]

25. Isn't breitbart..

that crazy, rightwing,racist nut from hollywood,who always shows up on hannity.

[hileeopnyn8d]

72. Yes

He's also the one who financed and promoted the highly edited ACORN tapes, worked at Drudge for quite some time, called Ted Kennedy some particularly vile things immediately after his death...

There are a whole host of reasons his crap shouldn't be posted here directing traffic and revenue to his pockets. He plans on going after Jerry Brown in his continueing pursuit of ACORN.

Find some better sources people! Search youtube yourself, or better yet, post the UNedited version, and let everyone reach their own conclusions.

[OregonBlue]

26. Disgusting. Unrec.

[guruoo]

66. But, but, these are the 'real progressives' n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

96. Why? Were they manufactured? Or were they "taken out of context"?

If the answer is neither, I don't see what the problem is other than they make you feel uncomfortable supporting lies.

[SunriseStorm]

16. Often The Truth Does Hurt - I Feel For Those That Blindly Placed Faith In This Man

eom

[jaxx]

19. Wasn't anything blind in my supporting Barack Obama.

I supported him before you ever knew his name. Now why don't you try a little support too.

[SunriseStorm]

35. Simple - Because He Has Proven To Be A True DLC Corporatist

Moving forward, I will support candidates

- That defend and protect the constitution

- That support peace over war

- That will re-regulate wall street into submission

- That will coral corporate greed by eliminating corporate person hood

- That will deliver on single-payer health care reform

and

- That will support and pass public campaign financing

If those candidates be Greens, Progressives, Independents, Republicans, Democrats, or other - Then so be it!

[jaxx]

45. Well it's your vote and you can waste it if you want.

Me, I'll be voting democrat.

It's the DU way.

[SunriseStorm]

59. That's Correct - I Choose To Vote For Democratic And Progressive Principles

Despite the label that falls behind the candidates name.

Just because the candidate has a label of D or R does not necessarily mean, any longer, that said candidate actually espouses Democratic and Progressive principles.

With this administration, we have clear evidence via observed actions that their bias is toward corporations and the corporatist agenda.

I will vote for Democratic and Progressive principles that benefit people over corporations to my dying days.

[MNDemNY]

42. Should we support his lies?

Should we just trust him and stfu?? You can , I will not.

[jaxx]

52. You can do what you want.

But be honest in the lying bit. Cspan and cspan2 have tons of the stuff you call lies.

[MNDemNY]

Show me the telivised meetings between Obama and Pharma where the "deal" was made.

Then I will recind my "lie" comment. Until you can do that, you have nothing but "HOPE". a dead clown for you.

[jaxx]

62. I can't show you what wasn't televised.

I'll try to find out what kind of toilet paper he uses though....total transparency for the faithful.

[MNDemNY]

67. That is the point.

Your analogy seems apropos for an elementary aged student. Triple dead clown!

[jaxx]

75. You've lost the argument when you have to rely on junk to post.

[MNDemNY]

76. No , you lost it when you made the claim that the American people should not be allowed

access to the negotiations. FAIL.

[Sukie]

20. And I feel for those that have never had faith to begin with. n/t

[SunriseStorm]

32. Eyes Wide Open For This Voter - Hoping He Would Become Progressive

Sadly, that will not happen based on the first year of observation.

Have already decided not to vote for him again.

[jaxx]

55. That's like marrying a drunk and hoping he'll quit drinking.

Barack Obama is the same person you say you voted for. He was never hard left.

[SunriseStorm]

61. Never Said He Was Hard Left - Said I Hoped He Would Become More Progressive

Has not happened and now have buyers remorse.

Will not make the same mistake twice.

[NashVegas]

68. And I Feel For Everyone Else Who Said So And Got Ridiculed

Here on DU.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

82. Faith in what? Someone that I really don't know? Faith IMHO has to be earned.

How did you feel when he voted in committee to recommend Rice (the war criminal) as SOS? Or when he voted for FISA and telecom immunity? Those were faith breakers for me.

[spanone]

34. bwahahahahahaaaa

i bet you do

[SunriseStorm]

36. Antagonizing DU Members Is Against DU Rules

eom

[blogslut]

17. Breitbart?

really?

[Zywiec]

18. Some people can't attack the message, so they attack the messenger

[Peacetrain]

21. I got news for you.. I will point out the bomb and the bomb thrower.. laugh that off

[jaxx]

23. Some people wonder why a small part of DU is attacking the President.

I'm not laughing.

[slipslidingaway]

27. Expecting someone to keep their word is not attack, Obama was the one ...

to make a big deal out this during the campaign.

I'm not laughing either, he also said he would listen to all ideas and then quickly silenced SP advocates.

[Zywiec]

29. Asking the president to keep a campaign promise is now attacking?

Wow, who knew?

[jaxx]

39. There were hours and days and weeks of cspan on health care.

Promises kept.

[MNDemNY]

44. Why not going forward??

You would back him on anything. In the last administration we called such folks "bushies" and "the dirty thirty" what makes you different????

[jaxx]

60. Do you really think those stinking nopers deserve to see what is going on?

So they can dream up more ways to obstruct and wreak havoc with the people's business? I don't think so. They deserve to be left in the dark, it's not like they're going to vote for anything progressive to start with. And personally, I'm sick to death of them and their nasty hypocritical ways.

[MNDemNY]

63. I and the rest of the PEOPLE deserve to know what is going on!

That is the problem with your line of thinking. You and yours treat this as some fucking game that must be "won" at all cost. It does not matter to you that this bill does more harm than good, by entrenching this nation in a failed for-profit employment-based health care system. All you want is to be able to claim victory, have a big Rose Garden Signing ceremony and thumb your collective nose at the republofucks. Well this is not a game this bill is BAD for the country . But that does not matter to you, does it? dead clown for you

[jaxx]

70. LOL so you're pissed off and cussing a blue streak now.

Ok. You betcha this health care needs to be won. It's going to help a lot of people and it's going to make a lot of lives a whole lot better. No, it's not perfect, it's far from it. I'm really sorry your ship didn't come in with single payer or the public option that you all hated when it was introduced....but that's life. You take some and then you add to it. Or you bitch and moan and act hurt and try to scuttle any progress by demanding the impossible. That's called beating your head against the wall and letting the wingers win.

Oh yeah, and thanks for the dead clown. It's pretty cute and reminds me of some delusions.....dead.

[MNDemNY]

73. You have bought the magic beans.

and one "fucking" does not a "blue streak" make.But you failed to make your argument that the American people should be shut out from the negotiations. Care to defend that?? c'mon, give it a shot.

[jaxx]

77. You haven't been shut out, your expectations set you up to fail.

Now we have the mean streak setting in and I'm not interested. You lost the argument. Retire gracefully.

[MNDemNY]

79. I havent? where can I watch the negotiations ?

FAIL.

[jaxx]

81. LOL

I like it when people get fixated. It's entertaining.

[slipslidingaway]

57. Post the link to the negotiations on the 80 billion deal with PhRma ...

I've watched hours and hours of hearings, of course SP advocates were mostly excluded, but have not seen the negotiations on the 80 billion dollar deal.

What exactly was the deal, where is the promise to have Medicare as a whole negotiate for lower drug prices?

Obama even ran an ad talking about this issue, then he met with Billy and made a deal.

Obama: Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCRO0g9CfAw

[cherokeeprogressive]

102. So, you're saying that we've suddenly reached the "Transparency Quota", and that further

transparency on this issue is no longer warranted?

From the point it stands at now, to the point where it gets voted on by both houses AND signed by the President SHOULD BE TELEVISED. Every fucking minute of it.

People like you tend to call this "historic change", but you want the "history" hidden. Hmmm.

[Romulox]

37. Playing a tape of Obama's own words is now an "attack"?

Truth hurts. Sorry.

[MNDemNY]

48. Of course it is.

If you do not back his every move 100% you are a hater.

[Individualist]

49. According to the spinmeisters, it is.

[Ignis]

64. Facts are only valid when they work in our favor.

Otherwise, they are either outright lies or gross distortions of the truth.

Who knew?

[Sukie]

28. And sometimes the messenger is right line of attack.

It would be just as ludicrous to post stuff here that comes from freeper sites as if it was factual.

[Romulox]

41. Are you saying this video of Obama on the campaign trail is a forgery?

[NashVegas]

69. When the Message Itself Is a Lie, What Do You Expect?

[slipslidingaway]

24. This hit 17 recs and suddenly dropped to 10, only the website is...

being questioned and not the content of the statements made.

Either you have standards that applied to everyone or not.

[jaxx]

30. I don't watch winger made trash videos.

breitbart is winger.

[slipslidingaway]

33. Have thaey changed the videos or did Obama make these promises...

that should be the issue.

[katandmoon]

40. Are you saying he fabricated those clips?

[jaxx]

65. I'm saying they're cherry picked.

[Romulox]

51. It reminds me very much of how toddlers are obsessed with the

demarcation between "baby" and "big boy". Perhaps it is an underlying sense of insecurity that makes the toddler, who is, from an adult perspective, much closer to being a "baby" than being a "big" anything that compels him to insist that he is a "big boy".

But to everyone else, highlighting this minor difference in age has precisely the opposite of the intended effect. That is to say, it reminds everyone precisely how immature the toddler really is!

Do you see any parallels to this common, real life behavior played out in this thread?

[MNDemNY]

38. That was before us on the left called this corporatist bill out for what it is.

But we should just shut up, because if we say anything we must be republicans.

[berni_mccoy]

46. This bullshit has been debunked MANY times

Here's where I did: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/7...

Follow the links I posted to CSPAN. There are hundreds of hours of meetings and negotiations on tape there.

[slipslidingaway]

50. Please post the link to the deal made with PhRma, thanks n/t

[MNDemNY]

53. That does not "debunk" the mans own words,

FAIL as usuall. Dead clown for you.

[Romulox]

54. I need a Mandy Patinkin macro for DU.

/post "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
/post img: SmirkingInigoMontoya.jpg
/post smiley (hi)
/end

[Zen Democrat]

71. He had the White House negotiations televised on C-SPAN.

Obama can't force his campaign promises on the negotiations in Congress. Please, this is ridiculous.

[slipslidingaway]

84. I've looked for a video of the negotiations with Billy Tauzin and the 80 billion ...

dollar deal and have asked several people on this thread, still not one person can post a video of those negotiations.

If you read through the Obama/Biden HC plan it states that they will repeal the ban on Medicare negotiating drug prices and state that we could save up to 30 billion a year. They cite a study that actually talks about saving a little more.

As the boomers retire this is a Big issue going forward for Medicare and big profits for the drug companies.

So I ask again, can you or someone else post the video of the negotiations that led to the 80 billion dollar deal instead of the 300 billion mentioned in the Obama/Biden plan.

[Don Caballero]

74. More Obama bashing

It is really getting sad in here. There are some things the President promised that will not come true. He is not perfect.

[slipslidingaway]

85. Every post of yours that I have seen has the same subject line...

and ignores the issue that has been presented.

Of course objections over the escalation in Afghanistan were met with 'That was part of his campaign'

[Hell Hath No Fury]

89. I have a new name for them --

"O spammers" -- quite a few here, recently.

[Bluebear]

93. +1

[Hell Hath No Fury]

98. They are becoming as annoying as trolls --

[slipslidingaway]

97. Great name :) n/t

[freddie mertz]

83. Rec despite the source. The tapes are REAL, and the promise has been broken.

That can't be denied.

[Sukie]

86. And this is why the republican party, who I regard with

high disdain and who I believe stands in the way of true progress in all aspects of human concern for this planet.....this is why they will continue to be a force that we as liberals will not be able to overcome until we can come together as a group and stand against what we are really fighting against. Republicans, as much as I despise their agenda, stand together with their politicians, no matter how low they sink, ie.....Sanford and Ensign, just to name a couple, yet we can't muster up support for one of the best presidents this country has had in the last half a century. We will never be able to get our hopes of equality for all, health care for all, nothing that is important to us, until we realize that picking apart our president, who may not stand for everything we want, but for doggone most of what we want........picking him apart does absolutely nothing towards realizing our goals for this country. The repubs must have a good laugh when they visit this site now. They must think they are conquering us from within. Because of the sentiments displayed on DU regularly now, we might well find ourselves with a fight in 2012 and with another stinking repub leader of the free world. If that suits you, and you give up the fight now, then I guess that's what we'll deserve.

[Fumesucker]

108. If he would just do what the fuck he said he was going to do there would be no controversy here..

This is a new era, people can fact check politicians with a few clicks of a mouse, no amount of bafflegab will cover up the fact that Obama said one thing and is now doing another.

[EFerrari]

88. breitbart is a bigot. I don't know why we're allowed to link to that site.

[WeDidIt]

95. I've got to hand it to the rightwing noise machine

They're doing more to drive a wedge between the left wing of the party and Obama than they ever attempted to do under Clinton.

They learned precisely how to impeach a Democrat, and then convict that Democrat in the Senate.

[AVID]

103. wow...DU takes another plunge to the depths of drudge (FR links next week! Yippeee!)

[dionysus]

106. next, they'll be quoting rush...

[DevonRex]

109. You watch fucking BREITBART? It's a goddamned bigoted site.

WTF is WRONG with you?

[cbayer]

110. Locking

Inflammatory and from a highly questionable source.

cbayer
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