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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:06 AM
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Dem front-runner for MI governor expected to drop out
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 10:06 AM by blue_onyx
"Democratic Lt. Gov. John Cherry will make a major announcement about his political future around noon today. Party sources say he has decided against running for Michigan governor.

Longtime party fundraiser Faylene Owen confirmed today Cherry, who had not formally entered the race, won't try to succeed Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, saying the tough economy and Granholm's record have made it difficult for Cherry to raise money. "

more: http://detnews.com/article/20100105/POLITICS02/1050391/...

Why? I think he was a stronger choice than most people thought. I guess this pretty much gives the governorship to the GOP.

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:16 AM
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1. I wonder if Sheila Cockrel is looking for a job ...
the first unemployed left-leaning politician that came to mind

:hi:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:18 AM
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3. Mrs. Shrek?
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:24 AM
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5. Shrek's mama
And yeah, I'd vote for her.

Monica Conyers, not so much.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:59 AM
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12. Not Shrek's Mama:
...but she was married to Shrek's Daddy at one time.

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:24 PM
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50. Thanks for the correction. I had it wrong.
Anyway, I think both Shrek and Mrs ShrekDaddy are both good people, I'd vote for either one for Gov.

Sheila's the one that has time to campaign. Ken Jr is busy on what is hopefully an improved City Council.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:49 AM
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27. On one hand, neither would I vote for Conyers. On the other, she's still kinda awesome.
So I'm conflicted. :shrug:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:52 PM
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53. Hell no!
she can take her ass straight to jail,don't pass go...
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:17 AM
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2. Granholm is political poison atm, and Cherry is personally unappealling.
Dick DeVos's wildest dream is a John Cherry candidacy.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:27 AM
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6. I disagree
Granholm has done a good job given the circumstances. I believe most people do realize that she's not responsible for the economy doing so horrible. But people need someone to blame, even if that person didn't cause the pain. I believe if Granholm could run, she would be re-elected.

I don't think Cherry is a horrible candidate. He's not the best canddiate to ever run but certainly not the awful candidate people make him out to be.

Who else do the Dems have? I won't vote DINO Dillion (may as well vote Republican). Bernero is completely unknown, as is Alma Wheeler Smith.



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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:34 AM
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8. It's not whether you or I agree on Granholm's performance (we don't)
--it's that her name is synonymous with failure in the State of Michigan. Her failures could be more easily excused in the context of Republican control of national politics, but she has not shown any special influence on the Obama administration, either. Compare the strings-free largesse heaped on New York to the Obama administration's relative indifference to Michigan's worst-in-the-nation economy, for example.

"I believe if Granholm could run, she would be re-elected."

I disagree.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:47 AM
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10. Yes, MI has been ignored for years
Nobody cares about MI until election time. I didn't expect that to chance with Obama coming into office (although Granholm did).

I stand by Granholm and the works she has done. She has given MI as strong foundation to build on, particularly with all the green energy and film investments she brought here. Part of the reason I was a Cherry support is because I thought he was the best option for continuing the focus on these areas. I also don't want some Republican coming to office and taking credit for the investments Granholm brought here just because they opened during their term.

Who do you think should be the nominee? I can't think of anyone who would be better than Cherry.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:53 AM
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11. Kym Worthy? Debbie Dingell?
I have no clue who should be the candidate. Michigan politics is such a top down affair that there isn't really any "farm team" developing any talent that I know of...

And while I only half joke about Ms. Worthy (she'd easily take Wayne County), I doubt she'd secure many votes on the west coast. :shrug:
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:02 AM
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14. Debbie Dingell would be horrible
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 11:05 AM by blue_onyx
I thought Kym Worthy would be great for Attorney General.

Gretchen Whitmer who is running for Attorney General could be a good candidate for governor, although she would probably be portrayed as Granholm part 2.

I thought Dennis Archer would be a good option until recently when it became clear that he should probably run for governor of Ohio instead.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:28 AM
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21. Debbie Dingell = DISASTER!
We agree again!

(But I DO think that Cherry is a bad candidate as well.)

I have thought and thought about this...and the only
PERSON that I would like to see run is Mark Brewer.

I know, no one knows him outside of the party, and
he may even be PREVENTED from running because of his
position in the party, but of all the people I have
personally met, I trust him to deliver the news, both
good and bad, honestly and candidly.

Pipe dream, I know....

I think Kym Worthy kicks ass, and would support her
if she decided to run.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:55 AM
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32. When I use to watch Flash Point...
Debbie was on all the time. I could stand watching her. She has this whiny tone to her voice when she's debating an issue.

I'm not so sure about Mark Brewer. I don't dislike him but I don't see him as a winning candidate. As of now, I'm between Alma Wheeler Smith and Bernero.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:56 AM
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33. What do you think about Bonior?
Should he be counted out?
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:31 PM
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38. He could be a good option
but has he shown any interest? I haven't heard his name even mentioned except for today.

At this point, I'll support anyone who isn't named Andy Dillon.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. He was point man for the Edward's campaign....oops!
He has a way of looking down on people that
is unnerving, but I don't think he MEANS to
do it.

I've never been near him when he was RUNNING
for something, but I bet he can pour on the
charm if he wants to.

I think he has anti-choice sentiments, but that
might not hurt him in today's climate, and I know
for a fact that the rank and file (at least around HERE)
will work their asses off for him...

I'll take him over Dillon, for sure!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 01:11 PM
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40. Debbie Dingell is a pit bull (and I put her name forward as a kind of a joke!)
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 01:11 PM by Romulox
Still, I gotta love her. Better a pit bull than a chihuahua!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:56 PM
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54. Angler tied her hands but..
lately she has been agreeing a little too much with the right wing. I heard her in a so called debate on the radio with the mayor of las vegas and she started stumbling and agreeing with him that we don't need to tax the top 1% for anything..She said we need budget cuts.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:21 AM
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4. I don't know about "gives the race to the GOP"
but I suspect Cherry dropped out because he didn't think he could win. The only polls I've seen were by right-leaning polling groups, but Cherry trailed substantially in all cases.

It could actually improve our chanced in MI, because the "generic" R vs D polling is much closer. The trick is finding a "D" that voters don't associate with Granholm.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:33 AM
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7. I don't think there are any Dem candidates who are better
The reason Cherry was seen as a horrible candidate is because everyone kept calling him a horrible candidate. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

All of the current Democratic candidates are worse. Andy Dillon is a DINO and the base won't support him (I won't vote for him in the general election). Virg Bernero and Alma Wheeler Smith are unknown outside their city/district. Unless some Democratic candidate emerges out of nowhere, the GOP will win.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:37 AM
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9. "Better" depends on who is doing the judging.
Edited on Tue Jan-05-10 10:42 AM by FBaggins
Fairly or unfairly, he can't separate himself from Gran holm. A lesser candidate without that baggage could end up being more successful.

Bernero and Wheeler Smith may fit precisely because they ARE unknown. People who prefer a democrat but not one associated with the bad smell... may find them to be acceptable.

But I agree that MI is at least "leans R" right now. That's important because MI will likely lose a House seat in the coming redistricting and it would help if we could hold the Gov seat and pick up the state Senate. Losing both likely means an incumbent R vs an incumbent D in an R-leaning district.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:59 AM
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13. David Bonior should take another stab at it. He would make a great Governor. IMO. nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:13 AM
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15. I hope he does. He's got the union ties....and could get it up and running quickly.
nt
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:29 AM
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22. Union membership is way down in this state
In case you haven't noticed. GM and Chrysler have taken a big fall. Along with their suppliers.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:34 AM
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24. Even so, they're still a powerful force - both politically and from a fundraising standpoint....
..... in case you hadn't noticed.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:39 AM
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25. I don't see it
I retired from GM as a UAW member. So did my Father and Mother. The union base in Mi. is gone.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:32 AM
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23. I could get behind Bonior. nt
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:47 AM
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26. I could get behind him...
...but I don't see him winning.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:14 AM
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16. I am neutral on this
I think Cherry would have had an uphill battle, but I don't know if we will end up with a better candidate.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:15 AM
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17. My prediction
It will be Mike Cox with him being selected as Palin's running mate in 12.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:24 AM
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19. He's got a little problem with his video taped stairwell sex....
Fieger's revenge!
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:26 AM
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20. Everyone knows about it
Since when did that stop anyone?

Look. I'm not pulling for the guy. It's just a guess.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:49 AM
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28. Not everyone has SEEN it!
Big difference.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:52 AM
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30. He has admitted it publicly.
How will it damage him by being brought up again?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:57 AM
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34. I'll get back to you when it shows up on youtube or "The Superficial"...
He's damaged goods.

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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:01 PM
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36. Think Marion Berry
anything can happen.

Sorry. I guess that for the time being that we'll disagree. :hi:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 12:15 PM
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37. Sorry....Marion Berry wasn't a conservative politician caught
fucking an underling in a stairwell AT WORK.

Fieger's got a LOT more than that on him, too.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:37 PM
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44. My point was
That anybody is electable, regardless of past.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:16 PM
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47. And my point is that Marion Berry was an anomaly....
Careers CAN be ruined.

I don't think we'll be seeing Mark Foley again any time soon.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:51 AM
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29. I don't think it will be Cox
He has too much baggage. I think it will be Bouchard. Hoekstra and Cox will split the conservative vote.

If Cox wins governorship, I'll likely move. I refuse to have that homophobic man as my governor.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:54 AM
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31. I'm moving anyway
Once I sell my house. I need people to get back to work.

I retired. I want to go where it's warm.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 01:13 PM
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41. No offense, but it's hard to feel much sympathy for you.
Going to buy a Toyota with that GM pension money down there in Florida, too? :eyes:
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:36 PM
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43. Moving to Ky or Tn
I would never own a Asian piece of shit. Never have. Never will. Only GM products. I have a new Chevy 3/4 4X4 PU. :)
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:59 PM
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46. Sorry (touchy subject). One of the people who've died from Toyota's suddent acceleration glitch
was a GM pensioner from Flint.

God help me, but I know it's wrong. But I am human. A feeling of schadenfreude definitely entered my heart for a moment.

I'm not proud of it.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:17 AM
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18. This would be the second candidate dropping out of a race after asking me for money....
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:58 AM
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35. Same thing here in KS
Our Dem dropped out and now Brownback is the only one on the ballot.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 01:15 PM
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42. "Gov Cherry, Id like you to meet Gov Boehner"...
that, in and of itself, would have been worth it, tho.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 02:56 PM
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45. State Sen. Hansen Clark joins race for governor
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:17 PM
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48. The GOP (undeservably) will make major gains this year
it's the way it goes in off years.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 03:22 PM
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49. Bad times for incumbents.
But the Party of Nothing will only make things worse.
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:26 PM
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51. Not surprised.....I believe this state (sad but true) will go in the R column
Granholm got a raw deal but in the same aspect, she never made contact with the African-American vote in the state after she won the last election. Also, with losing on the Michigan Promise issue with the Republican Senate, it all but handed the GOP a victory in the 2010 upcoming state elections. Many, many, many people are downright PISSED about the Promise Scholarship being taken away. Thank God my daughter had the TIP Scholarship instead (which was funded from the big tobacco settlement about 6 years ago) and that money cannot be taken away or cut out of the budget....or I would be PISSED too.

In the same aspect, my son, who was not eligible for a TIP Scholarship and could have looked forward to a Promise Scholarship after completing his 60 college credits, but, this opportunity is all but done now. The $2400 over the last two years, would have help reduced his loan intake.

Now, the public schools are being cut to frankly non-existent images with the MAJOR cuts in K-12 State Funding. Teachers are being laid off left and right in the middle of the semester because the state senate and governor cannot manage to approve a budget for the next year, in July, like MOST OTHER STATES. Schools have to hope and pray they have a budget in line with the state funding, only to find out in October/November or as late as December that their state funding is being cut AGAIN.

I am a Left Lending Independent and at this point I would like the Governorship to fall in the hands of a Independent Candidate. No Republican or Democrat, IMHO. Both parties have taken this state to the brinks of hell with their continuing bad decisions in handling our state budget.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:49 PM
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52. If people are angry about the Promise Scholarships
why would they blame Gov. Granholm? It was the Republicans who ended it. Granholm has been the person who most vocally supported the promise scholarships. The budget mess was clearly the result of GOP obstructionism and polls show that the public agree.
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 04:58 PM
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55. I am frankly PISSED at BOTH Parties right now....
The Governor who should have foreseen the upcoming issues with the state budget and made changes before it got to the mess it is. Also, the Republican Senate for PLAYING GAMES with the K-12 State Funding and Promise Scholarship programming, KNOWING FULL WELL that kids in the state of Michigan need a decent K-12 and College (at least a Community College) education to make it within the state of Michigan right now.

This is downright shameful and a failure of Michigan state Government-Both Republican and Democrats. Bring on a good Independent Candidate PLEASE!!!
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:05 PM
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56. She should have foreseen...
The recession? GM and Chrysler going bankruptcy? If she had those types of abilities, she would be a billionaire.

Some of tax reforms that are being mentioned to fix the budget this year were mentioned by her years ago (taxing services, graduated income tax). If you know a way to get Mike Bishop do his job, feel free to share it.

There are no independent candidates who have a chance to win.
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 05:45 PM
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57. And no Democratic Candidate has a chance of winning (Frank but True)......
We need a third party (independent) candidate in this state.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 06:30 PM
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58. The Dems can win
if they pick the right candidate. The Democratic party got lucky that the list of GOP candidates for governor is so poor.
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