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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:14 PM
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Why I Don't Believe in the GOP's God
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 07:19 PM by NanceGreggs
Why I Dont Believe in the GOPs God
By Nancy Greggs

It is the favorite taunt of the right-wing: As a Liberal and a Democrat, I am a godless heathen who does not accept the word of God. And they are right.

Its not that I dont believe in God, my Republican friends. It is just that I dont believe in your god, the one you have created in your own image and likeness.

My God is the creator of all things; the universe and all of its wonders were his gift to mankind. But your god doesnt care if you destroy what he has created through pollution and lack of stewardship. Your god only cares about the corporate bottom line.

My God is the creator of all people, and they are equally His children. But your god is only interested in white Christians. Your god doesnt hear the prayers of Muslims, he only hears yours.

My God set down the laws to be followed in His name. But your god attaches signing statements to the Ten Commandments, and continually alters their meaning when you deem it politically expedient to do so.

My God is all-powerful. But your gods abilities are limited to what you can comprehend. He could not have created man through evolution, choosing the moment of divine intervention. He could only have worked his miracles in a way that you can understand.

My God is all-seeing, and measures a mans worth by what is in his heart. Your god is content that a man be able to quote chapter and verse, and does not expect ones actions to reflect his word.

My God is all-loving, and bids us to do unto others what we would have done to ourselves. Your god sanctions torture, war without purpose, and the meting out of death without conscience.

My God endowed us with free will, and encourages us to think, to choose, to strive for the betterment of all mankind. Your god demands that you follow those who have appointed themselves to speak in his name, without question or dissent, no matter how contrary to Gods law their intentions might be.

My God invites a personal relationship, a oneness with his Being. Your god demands a middle-man, who will speak for you when and if he so chooses, and only when your financial contribution to his coffers are considered to be sufficient.

My God is constant in His sense of what is right, what is fair, what is just. Your god is fickle, and right and wrong are determined by your interpretation of fairness and justice at any given moment.

My God expects me to be my brothers keeper, to help the sick, the hungry, the friendless and the homeless. Your god only wants you to look out for yourself; he expects you to ignore anyone who is less fortunate, less monied, or anyone who worships him in a way different than your own.

My God values every life he has created equally, without regard to religion, country, or ethic origin. Your god only values American lives, Christian lives; all the rest are expendable.

My God is not a product to be sold to the highest bidder, nor a fictional character to be endowed with the characteristics I deem to be suited to my purpose. My enemies are not His enemies, to be exploited, maimed, orphaned or killed at my pleasure. My friends are not His friends because they belong to my church, my country club, my income bracket, my political party.

My God knows that I believe in Him. He needs no financial contribution to prove my faith, no political persuasion to prove my loyalty, no mouthing of words without a true appreciation of their meaning to demonstrate that I understand my obligations to my fellow man.

My God knows that my responsibility lies in doing what I can in this life no matter how small or seemingly insignificant it may be to improve, protect, and make more meaningful the lives of all of His children, with whom I share the bounty of His earth.

My God doesnt judge me on the basis of how I vote, but on the basis of how I live my life. He does not see me as better than others because I am an American; he watches to see what I am willing to do to make America a better nation for the sake of my fellow citizens.

My God did, in many ways, bless America. But He did not bless my country to the exclusion of all others; He blesses every nation that embraces brotherhood, justice, and a commitment to the betterment of all of its inhabitants, not just those who hold power, wealth, or political influence.

My God knows I believe in Him. My task is to do something that gives Him reason to believe in me.


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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:16 PM
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1. 1st to K & R...n/t
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:18 PM
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2. Amen, amain, amin!
This is a great one. Though my concept of God differs from yours, it is a lot closer to your concept than the GOP concept.

I loved this part best:

My God knows that I believe in Him. He needs no financial contribution to prove my faith....


We Sufis say: When you take one step towards God, He runs ten steps towards you.

Keep up the great writing!

Salaam-Shalom-Om Shanti Shanti Shanti
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:14 PM
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16. The God I believe in isn't short of cash, MISTER! - Bono (u2)
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:18 PM
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3. Very nice.
You and I have the same God. :thumbsup:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:22 PM
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4. Your god is too busy being indicted for tax fraud.
Sorry...channeling the West Wing there.

Great essay. :thumbsup:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:23 PM
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5. God will GET YOU for that, huskerlaw!
:rofl:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:29 PM
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9. He'll have to add it to the very long list!
Honestly, that scene where Bartlet lays into the fundies in the pilot episode...totally golden.



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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:26 PM
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6. Please submit rsum to Creators Syndicate
http://www.creators.com/opinion.html They need another liberal woman's voice to counter the vitriolic rantings of Malkin for one and I can't stand Linda Chavez but at least she is more articulate. You've been on fire lately. Great writing.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:27 PM
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7. Nancy ... I want you to know something
You have your very own sub-folder in my "My Documents" folder. I save everything you write. :hi:

This one is brilliant, as usual. It's also the perfect gift for know-it-all, "Christian" friends and relatives. :toast:

K & R
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:28 PM
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8. My God is within me and he only allows me to do good
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:45 PM
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21. Same here! Which is not to say I ONLY do good--
far from it!--but when I do less than good I do it without God's blessing or approval, and I know it.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:32 PM
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10. May you be forever blessed with such Faith NanceGreggs
That's simply lovely. :) :pals: :hug: :loveya:
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:34 PM
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11. OMG
I mean jeepers. Great read.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:41 PM
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12. Because Thou Shalt Kill was not a commandment
The blood is on their hands.
Lets see if they can wash it off.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 07:44 PM
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13. "Thou shalt not Kill"*
* Unless, of course, George W. Bush tells you to kill, in which case feel free to murder with abandon.

You gotta watch for those signing statements -- they keep popping up at the most politically convenient times.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 01:31 AM
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38. The RW Xtians don't read it that way
They read "Thou shalt not commit murder" and believe it doesn't apply to anyone outside their belief circle.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:02 AM
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46. Yep. RW "Christians" distinguish between them what need killin'
and them what don't.

And it's scary shit to hear first hand.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:56 AM
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58. They also consider killing in the military justified regardless if the
war is just or not. But remember *ss that puts you and your fellow warmongers at the table on judgment day! Its your war.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:03 PM
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14. This needs to be passed out outside some of the megachurches
Absolutely brilliant Nance, I can just imagine how far the jaws of the lurking freepers drop whenever they read one of your rants. I am willing to bet there will be a few broken monitors in Freeperville when they lurk onto this thread. Great job once again.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:10 PM
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15. "Signing statements to the Ten Commandments"
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 08:11 PM by 11 Bravo
That, my friend, is genius. There's nothing more to say.

on edit: K&R
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:17 PM
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17. I am "godless", a Liberal and a Democrat. I won't apologize for being so. nt.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:20 PM
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25. No one asked you to apologize
I'm an atheist, too, but that was still a good post.

Most of what Nance said, I would assume, applies to atheists as well. And even if what she said doesn't directly doesn't apply to us, maybe we should at least respect it?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:24 PM
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18. YOUR BEST EVER, NANCE!
And that's saying something.....WHAT A KEEPER!
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:36 PM
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19. Someone please give Nancy a newspaper column!
I'd even subscribe to the local fish-wrap if they carried this.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:39 PM
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20. I don't believe there are any gods, but if I decide to, I'll go with the one you described!
:D
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:51 PM
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22. That's How I Feel, Too
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 08:53 PM by tlsmith1963
I always say that I don't believe in the Republicans' version of God. Actually I am an agnostic, but I am definitely atheist concerning the Right-wingers' God. I don't like a hateful deity.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:25 PM
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23. Brought a tear to this atheists eye
Seriously, when is your book coming out?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:11 PM
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24. You nailed it, NanceGreggs. Thank you. I couldn't agree more. :)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:28 PM
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26. And I don't use my God to promote my agenda.
This goes for the republicans and the Christian Taliban
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:33 PM
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27. both your gods suck
just sayin'
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:38 PM
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28. I like your God!
Just amazing that so many people use "god" as their defense for killing, lying, stealing, cheating..They aren't fooling anyone except themselves. Big Ol' Fools.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:39 PM
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29. Oh, My God I thank you for this post! This is one of the
most frustrating and bewildering aspects of this current political climate. You elucidated the hypocrisies and inconsistencies just beautifully.

:kick: and R (D'ed) and bookmarked and e-mailed!
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DAMANgoldberg Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:50 PM
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30. K&R
I'm running out of Keithism's with the quality of writing here.
Deep, and I don't think it's playable KO/SportsCenter
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:51 PM
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31. you just had to put white in there, eh?
Shame that you left out 'male'.

"My God is the creator of all people, and they are equally His children. But your god is only interested in white Christians. Your god doesnt hear the prayers of Muslims, he only hears yours."

Many fundies are non-discriminatory and world-wide. Plenty of black Christians, even if they many not vote Republican, but some of them do. Fundies are quite willing to go on missionary trips (or financially support such) to India, the Phillipines, China, etc.

"My God expects me to be my brothers keeper, to help the sick, the hungry, the friendless and the homeless. Your god only wants you to look out for yourself; he expects you to ignore anyone who is less fortunate, less monied, or anyone who worships him in a way different than your own."

They also give a fair amount to their churches and charities, even if they do not believe in government answers to poverty.

"My God invites a personal relationship, a oneness with his Being. Your god demands a middle-man, who will speak for you when and if he so chooses, and only when your financial contribution to his coffers are considered to be sufficient."

They may like their TV or mega-church preachers, find them to be inspiring teachers, but very few of those preachers, if any, would call themselves a middle-man. Nor is a contribution required, although people are encouraged to be generous and support a preacher they consider to have an inspiring message.



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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:59 PM
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32. ANOTHER GRAND SLAM !!! WOW THAT SPEAKS TO ME!! MAY I ASK AGAIN
CAN I COPY AND POST other places????????/

i run several internet groups nationwide..would love to send out to all...

Thank you Nance..that sooo speaks to me!!

I no longer speak to a lifelong mormon friend..because of just this...

fly
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:02 PM
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33. Please feel free ... n/t
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:09 PM
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34. Nailed it, Nance k/r
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:55 AM
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35. (goshu)
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Shoelace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 01:17 AM
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36. Beautiful! I needed to read that - just watched "Bobby"
sobbed until I was weak after that movie. Just sat there thinking how different this world would be now had he not been shot to death. Now up comes Nancy to rescue me from my sadness for in her message there is so much hope and light. Thanks again Nancy, you lifted my spirit and I so love your/our God! It's US working all together to bring our country back into the light.

They will never kill our faith!!! :loveya:
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:43 AM
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42. I saw it on the plane over to the States on Sunday
I, too was reminded of what we all lost that day.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 01:24 AM
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37. It's like a prayer almost. Printing it out to hang on my mirror & keep forever. Thank you, Nance!

I bow to you.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 01:39 AM
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39. You capture what's been stuck inside me.
I can't stomach the hash that extreme Fundamentalists have made of Christianity. You hit every nail.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:44 AM
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40. As a Christian, I must say this.....
That was beautiful. Thank you. My sentiments exactly.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:40 AM
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41. My God has
In God We Trust on the houses of worship, not the currency. My God could be a black woman wearing glasses. Thank Zeus I'm a Democrat.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:54 AM
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43. Very well done...
I love it!
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:48 AM
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44. Great piece, Nance! I could add one thing (not necessarily an improvement...)
My God doesn't need a government to tell me how to pray, when to pray, what to say when I pray, or whom to pray to.

:thumbsup: :yourock:
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:57 AM
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45. The GOP God is the god of the White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian, Corporate, Heterosexual Male
Edited on Tue Apr-24-07 07:58 AM by amb123
The GOP God is the god of blasphemers and idolaters because they limit God, who is infinite. They limit God to one race, one gender, one set of scriptures, and one exclusive priesthood who interpose themselves between God and ourselves, limiting God still further. The Christian-Fascist Neo-Con Republicans have absolutely no faith in God whatsoever because if they did, they would not use the Government to impose their beliefs on others. This is why separation of church and state is absolutely essential in a free society. It is impossible for a free society to even exist without the separation of church and state. There is no freedom without church/state separation.

NanceGreggs is right. To impose limits on God is the ultimate blasphemy and the Republicans are the ultimate blasphemers.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:15 AM
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47. Excellent! Good work
It's great to be able to reclaim God from the right wingers.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:22 AM
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48. A post well worth printing out and /or forwarding!!!!
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:27 AM
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49. I would love to send this as a LTTE to the 'state' newspaper here in red state Arkansas just
to counter the dozens of LTTEs they print from the GOP god believers every week. Great job, Nancy!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:11 AM
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60. They would not let your letter be that long. However, it might work
if you took a few of the items each time and ended each letter with the words "to be continued".
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:38 AM
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50. Sorry, but I don't believe in your god either.
And my "godlessness" shouldn't make my opinion count any less, doesn't make me a less moral person, and shouldn't classify me as a second-class citizen.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:10 AM
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56. Belief in God is not necessary, IMHO ...
... to be moral.

This was not meant as a Yay God essay. I am simply sick and tired of hearing that Liberals are "godless" - which, in GOP-speak, means immoral. I am especially tired of hearing it from people who use their version of god as an excuse to hate, lie, steal, corrupt, etc.

Faith of any kind is meant to be used as a shield, not a sword.

I believe in what I call 'the higher religion'. It has one tenet, one principle, one moral lesson: Caring for each other. If we do that, everything else falls into place as it should.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:15 AM
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61. Where did she say that it did? Most of us here on this thread are not
talking about what you believe, we are talking about what we believe. That is called freedom of religion. I also read the threads that talk about what you believe but I would never think of objecting to it.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:25 AM
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63. I just think that a proper response to the "godless" accusation
is not to engage in a faith-off, but to reject the premise that faith in god imputes moral superiority.

Not trying to say you can't have or express your beliefs.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:04 PM
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65. Okay, now I understand and you are right: Not being a Christian
does not mean that you are immoral. Sorry.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 02:18 PM
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66. np, I probably could have been more articulate about it in the first place. (nt)
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:53 AM
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51. You said it all...
AMEN Nancy!
Thanks so much.
You are, as always, wonderful.
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Old Smokey Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:09 AM
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52. Excellent Read
Enjoyed that
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:36 AM
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53. Thank you, Nance. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I want to hang onto this one and send people here to see what MY God looks like, too. My God has two other characteristics; maybe your God has them too:

My God created a vast system of life--and in this system all life lives at the expense of other life. My task is to navigate this complex system making my decisions about the relative values of individual lives (the life of an insect, the life of a carrot, the nascent life in a seed, the nascent life in a fertilized ovum, the life in a stranger whom I don't know, the life in a person I work with who hates me, etc.) based on the guidance I already have about the nature of God. And to treat each life, even those I cut short, with reverence and respect.

My God created a Universe so complex that the senses I am endowed with cannot perceive it all--and I don't even know what I can't perceive. Therefore, it behooves me to be humble, because I do not know that my life-form is the most "superior" in God's eyes. ALL of creation, not just my human DNA, reflects the nature of God, and therefore God is not male nor female, human nor inhuman, nor anything I can fully comprehend. I can only discern God's will and God's plan from what I observe of creation, from what I consciously set myself to learn from those whose wisdom and experience show me something I recognize of God, and from my personal relationship with God through prayer and meditation and deep enquiry. And I cannot expect others to share or agree with what *I* know-- God is too vast for that, and I am capable of knowing only a small part.

appreciatively,
Bright
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:01 AM
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55. Beautifully stated, Bright.
Thank you.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 09:41 AM
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54. Isn't there a sign out there that says:
BUSH STEP DOWN! -God.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:47 AM
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57. Thank you, Nancy. I feel humbled. You make those of us who often
feel alone on this board because we are Christian feel welcome. I am sending your statement of faith to everyone I know.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:10 AM
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59. Just for the record ...
... I am not a Christian. However, I think we can all learn from the lessons of Christ.

What the right-wing has done to the concept of God is bad enough - what they have done to the concept of Jesus is even worse; it is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:20 AM
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62. Then I respect your article even more.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 11:29 AM
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64. Wonderful Piece
:yourock:
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:11 PM
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67. This is surely one of the most eloquent
spiritual manifestos I've ever read.

The last line is a credo to live by:

"My task is to do something that gives Him reason to believe in me."

Thank you for this, Nance. SG
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:17 PM
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68. Wonderful, NG!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:25 PM
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69. I feel the same way
Thanks for the the thread NanceGreggs

Kicked and recommended
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:29 PM
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70. Very good.
I really enjoyed reading this. Thank you for writing it.

Nominated, of course.

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ChrisCat Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:30 PM
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71. Wow, wonderful post.
I really needed that. A couple of hours ago I recieved a most hateful, racist email from my husband's "Christian" aunt urging me to be careful who I vote for. I do not understand how these self proclaimed Christians cannot see their hypocrisy. She had even added her little "God Bless You!!!!" to the message. It sickens me.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 04:45 PM
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72. Welcome to the discussion, ChrisCat!
I know exactly what you mean. They DON'T see the hypocrisy at all.

I have seen posts on other sites that spew the most venomous things about Iraq and Muslims (the "we should just slaughter them all" type of message), where the poster's sig-line is a Biblical quote, or something about Jesus.

But that's what I mean about their 'god'; he doesn't remotely resemble the God the rest of the world knows.
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 07:02 PM
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75. Makes me wonder...
Apparently their god holds one hand in front of their eyes
while plugging their ears with the other hand.  My youngest
brother is a retired military chaplain who hasn't spoken to
me since I refused to vote for Bush in 2000.  I have yet to
figure out why he thinks I would want to be someone like him.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:02 PM
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73. When Arlo Guthrie
bought the Church made famous in Alice's Restaurant the people there wanted to know what kind of church it was going to be, to which Arlo replied "It's a church where you bring your own God."
Now sticking with popular music, Ian Anderson made some references to God: "He's inside you and me." and "He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sunday." There are many more, but those just came to mind.
As for my thoughts, and I practice no religion, today's GOP would make Jesus vomit.
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calazini Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 06:56 PM
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74. Absolutely beautiful
You capture the spirit of God. I read every one of your posts and really look forward to them. Molly would be proud if you followed her to the papers; do it. You are her rightful heir - you have earned it and she is egging you on from whatever good place she is in.

The right wing may have hijacked his name for now - people will see the truth. The tide is turning against them.
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:20 PM
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76. Amen, and thank you!!!
As someone who is a Christian, I have not been happy to have my faith hijacked by a group of racist, sexist, angry, violent loudmouths.

And people who are REALLY Christians don't think they have the corner on morality or faith or anything like that. Just sayin'.
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