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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 08:30 AM
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Rated "R" ..... for Reefer
Edited on Tue Dec-29-09 08:32 AM by marmar
from the New York Times:

By BROOKS BARNES
Published: December 24, 2009


LOS ANGELES — The romantic comedy “It’s Complicated” arrived at the multiplex on Friday complete with an R rating, ranking it in the same category as “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” and “Basic Instinct” in the eyes of the Motion Picture Association of America.

But there is no violence in “It’s Complicated,” and the bedroom scenes are decidedly tame by contemporary standards. Instead, the R rating — which experts say could limit the box-office potential of the Universal Pictures film — comes largely from a sequence in which Steve Martin and Meryl Streep smoke marijuana.

Giggles ensue.

The rating has kicked up dust in Hollywood, with movie bloggers starting blistering attacks on the M.P.A.A. for being out of touch. The marijuana lobby is equally miffed. “This is an absurd ruling rooted in old cultural thinking,” said Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. Universal and Mr. Martin unsuccessfully appealed, seeking a PG-13 rating.

Conservative groups, meanwhile, find themselves in the rare position of cheering the ratings system instead of condemning it. Dan Isett, director of public policy for the Parents Television Council, which also monitors movies, said “It’s Complicated” was a “rare instance” of the board getting a rating correct. .............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/25/business/media/25ratings.html




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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 08:33 AM
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1. reefer madness
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 08:38 AM
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2. I especially like the drug crazed abandon part.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 08:43 AM
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3. Huh
Does Poltergeist get a retroactive "R", then? It has Mom and Dad toking doobs after the kids are in bed.

Kee-rist. It's taken us 30 years to almost get back to where we were before Ron and Nancy ("Cocktails at the White House, nine-ish") ramped up the Drug War.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 09:43 AM
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6. You should watch the documentary "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" it examines the bizarre
ratings standards of the MPAA and how they've changed over the years.

Here's a link to its wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Film_Is_Not_Yet_Rated

And here's a link where you can watch it on line:
http://www.documentary-log.com/d102-this-film-is-not-yet-rated/
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:21 PM
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12. Great movie. nt
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 02:54 PM
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16. Hey, thanks!
I will. It looks interesting.
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 08:48 AM
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4. Good to know this is going on. R'd for exposure
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 09:32 AM
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5. Remember the movie 9-5?
Working 9 to 5...

Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin and Dolly Parton?
There was a scene where they were all gathered in the living room drinking wine and smoking a fatty.
Then they ate everything in the kitchen.

Seems to me that was a long time ago.

God - we are a nation of total wimps.
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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 11:35 AM
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7. we are being dragged backwards
by the religious right, albeit kicking and screaming they are still winning. They won't be happy till every American citizen is in church every time the doors are open, every woman of childbearing age is married and reproducing in between house work and PTA, husbands or fathers approve and consent for any form of birth control, every gay or lesbian is back in the closet, people of color have their own neighborhood, boys wear dress pants and button up shirts and girls can only wear dresses and skirts, no post secondary education, no make up, no adornments, every home has at least one gun per family member, people who think, look or act differently are hospitalized as crazy, the US is yet again shoving "our way" down some other country's throat, the divide between rich and poor is unbridgeable and a middle aged white man is in the white house.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:19 PM
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10. yep
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:17 PM
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9. Not wimps so much as narrow minded bigots, IMO. n/t
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:52 PM
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15. American Taliban...seriously...
Think of it. They are propounding the same standards as the Taliban in Afghanistan! Strict, inflexible adherence to Christian rules. Would they not all be happy if we were a religious Christian state, much like Afghanistan under the Taliban?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:28 PM
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14. Plenty of 70s/80s mainstream movies showed pot smoking in a very casual manner
That it's suddenly a 'problem' only reveals how amped up and diligent RW movements have become in America.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:09 PM
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8. the MPAA must have a beef with the filmmakers.
i was flipping thru the channels a few saturdays ago and was mildly surprised to come across a midday movie with teens openly smoking cannabis and it wasn't even portrayed in a negative light, so it certainly isn't that we've become that puritan. unfortunately i was also smoking, so i don't remember what the movie was.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:26 PM
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13. The MPAA is RW outfit unaccountable to the public. Watch the doc film, This Film Has Not Been
... Rated:

This Film is Not Yet Rated
By IFQ Critic Todd Konrad

For the past forty years, American cinema has been governed by the now familiar MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America). As a so-called improvement to the previous Production Code, the MPAA is marketed under the premise that it is a “voluntary” system for filmmakers to submit their films to in order to receive a rating (ranging from family friendly G to the most restrictive NC-17 which designates explicit sexual content). However, what was never revealed before was how this supposedly “voluntary” system was and to a greater extent tantamount to censorship. Documentary filmmaker Kirby Dick was brave enough however to dive headfirst into the absurd and secretive world of the MPAA with his work This Film is Not Yet Rated, ironically earning the film an NC-17 rating itself.

Dick’s overall strategy essentially boils down to shedding light both on the organization itself as well as the myriad of hypocrisies that it reinforces. One of the first points made is the stringent secrecy under which the MPAA functions. Its raters are touted to be average parents of school age children according to the group’s officials, including former figurehead and Washington lobbyist Jack Valenti. Yet the identities of these individuals are kept under wraps. Moreover, no other experts such as psychologists, film critics, etc. are allowed into the proceedings; individuals who could provide proper context and perspective on films under review are barred from participation.

Yet this is only the tip of the iceberg, as both Dick and the viewer discover. In addition to the lack of transparency in the initial review process, the director also discovers that no standard criteria exist for the raters to abide by. Therefore, films that easily straddle the fence between less and more restrictive ratings can often be placed into a category truly unrepresentative and as many filmmakers know getting an NC-17 is essentially the kiss of death. An NC-17 rating essentially entails box office failure as few theater owners are willing to screen a film sighted as containing explicit sexual content or films that do not submit to the ratings board altogether and are released without an official rating. A myriad of independent filmmakers including Atom Egoyan, Kimberly Peirce, John Waters, Kevin Smith and Wayne Kramer among others are interviewed giving testimony to the struggles they endured when projects they submitted for a rating were slapped with an NC-17.

Their experiences are united by the board’s vehement objections to the sexual content their films contained. For example, Kimberly Peirce talks about notes she received from the board concerning what designated her breakthrough film, Boys Don’t Cry, as an NC-17 film. She tells Dick that one of the comments she received was that a female character’s orgasm was lasting too long within a particular scene. Struck by the inane oddness of this particular gripe, Peirce then says that she realized that what the board was actually opposed to was the brazen display of a woman’s sexual pleasure whereas most Hollywood fare tends to focus on the man’s pleasure but practically ignores the woman.

In addition, Dick illustrates the bias against overt homosexuality through a clever montage in which similar scenes depicting the same sex acts are played side by side. However, the scene depicting a particular act engaged between two member of the same sex instantly earned an NC-17, whereas the very same act between a heterosexual couple more often than not skirted away with an R. Further adding to the extreme bias against honest, cinematic portrayals of sex is the MPAA’s policy of treating extreme violence with R ratings when certain scenes clearly belong to a far more restrictive category.

What Dick also notices is that the MPAA tends to align itself with the major studios in opposition to the independent film scene by either providing weaker ratings for studio fare than its respective independent counterparts; or giving the studio producers very specific notes as to what to change to guarantee a weaker rating whereas independent producers are provided with fairly vague suggestions as to what to cut. Aiding Dick in his investigation is his own team of real life detectives, a pair of lesbian private detectives aided by one of the women’s nieces. While an undeniable comedic element arises from their stakeouts and cloak and dagger exploits, it shows just how difficult it is for regular people to gain information about the organization.

A further strand is explored when at a certain point Dick submits his film to the MPAA for its own rating. Not surprisingly, the film ends up being slapped with an NC-17 which allows the filmmaker to experience for himself the same difficulties that his interview subjects faced when appealing to the board for a ratings change. By the film’s end, Dick does strike a blow by revealing the identities of the then-current ratings board as a way of shining some light into a system designed and maintained to be more secretive than the CIA.

The film’s real value has come in post script when the controversy over the film’s release and subject matter led to real change occurring within the MPAA itself. While spokespeople told the media that it was planning on adjusting its standards anyway, no one doubts the pressure the film placed on the MPAA to change its ways. For example, one new change allows filmmakers to cite scenes from other films akin to questionable ones in their own work when appealing which the film stated was not allowed before. In the end, This Film is Not Yet Rated lives up to the oft-stated aim of conscious filmmaking to bring about change. While the full extent of change may not have been earth shattering, it still shows that a little movie with a goal and the guts to pursue it to the end can indeed succeed.

For more information on this title, go to www.ifcfilms.com
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:21 PM
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11. maybe it's the alcohol lobby (jk but who knows)
Since marijuana is becoming more and more accepted, especially here on the West Coast...
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