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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:49 PM
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Here Is How I See the Next GOP Coup Coming Down….
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 07:55 PM by McCamy Taylor
Those who have followed my political blogs knows that I am often right in my predictions. That is because I pay attention. I know how the folks on the other side operate. If something works once, they try it again. And again. They are conservatives, after all. They prefer the tried and true.

Here is what David Rockefeller and his breed are already planning. I call it “Operation Carter Hands Over Control of the Country to Republicans for 12 Years, Part II”.

First, promise Obama their undying support in the next election---if he dumps the Democratic base. Since any candidate for public office fears the destructive power of the corporate media, President Obama will want to believe them. He will alienate the people whose support he should be shoring up in case 2012 is a tough one. Labor, women, gays, immigrants, the elderly.

Now, what will make 2012 tough? Recession. Unemployment. Tight credit. Who has the most control over the economy? Since Congress and the President will not pass any meaningful jobs legislation, the corporations have pretty much full power. The banksters can afford to sit tight and let the economy flounder. They have hundreds of billions of our dollars in their vaults to tide them over. The oil companies can raise prices. They will blame OPEC, of course. A few key big employers will lay off American workers and send the jobs overseas. Their lackeys in the corporate media will begin to declare that high taxes and the big deficit are to blame. They will suggest that Obama, as a Senator, did not have enough executive experience. They will call for another governor, another Ronald Reagan to save the day. They will anoint…

Romney. He even looks like Reagan. And his state had health care before the rest of the country (by 2012 people will be salivating over the health care that they thought they were buying in 2008 but which still will not have been delivered). Romney will get on TV with his perfect hair and declare that he has the fiscal responsibility it takes to whip this country’s economy back in shape. He will call himself the new Reagan and the new Bill Clinton. Promises of tax cuts will help, too. It is much easier for a candidate to promise tax cuts than it is for a sitting president to deliver them.

The Republicans will further splinter the Democrats by funding another Nader. The corporate media will actually identify an appropriate candidate and tell Republicans that if they send him money, Obama could lose (the way they did back in 2000). They will alienate the independents by engineering a foreign relations debacle---say, for instance, a take over of the US embassy in Pakistan. Bush’s CIA colleagues will be glad to help, if Romney agrees to put Jeb (the “smart one”) on the ticket with him. Obama will not be able to rescue the hostages for fear that the Pakistanis might use their nukes. The Pakistani government will be bribed by David Rockefeller to stall…

Just throw in some e-vote fraud and all Romney will have to do is secure the votes of 47% of the people in a few key states. The rest of the votes will be created for him through the magic of computer tabulation and African-American voter suppression.

If this sounds implausible, recall that the GOP has stolen two elections already using these tactics (and I am not even counting Kissinger’s secret deal with the South Vietnamese in 1968 that helped Nixon beat Humphrey). If it was good enough for Reagan/Bush and Bush/Cheney, it will be good enough for Romney/Bush. The GOP does not strive to provide the nation with transformative change. They do not care if their playbook is tattered and torn. They will do whatever they saw work the last time. This was the key political weakness of Rove and understanding how the Grand Old Party thinks will be essential if we are to stop the next coup---

But first, Obama needs to start acting a lot more like FDR and a lot less like Jimmy Carter. Carter allowed the press to blame him for the economic disaster bequeathed to him by Ford/Nixon. FDR made sure that everyone knew who the real culprits were.

Obama needs to point his finger at the banksters and at insurance company executives and make sure that the public know exactly who is to blame for our current mess. Otherwise, the press will soon be telling Americans Obama did it! He needs to roll up his shirt sleeves and mingle with the common folk, the way he did back in 2008. He needs to act like he gives a damn. He needs to declare that 2014 is too long for sick Americans to wait for health care and use the power of the administrative branch to open Medicare up to anyone without insurance who has significant medical problems. He needs to slap big penalties on US companies that move jobs overseas—and make sure that the press covers him doing it.

In a time of economic crisis, a Democratic president can not be perceived to be a friend of the rich and powerful, because that makes him an enemy of the people whose votes he needs to get re-elected.



This man was re-elected three times ! He did a lot of things right. There is no reason that Democrats can not act like Republicans and learn from the lessons of history, too.

PS Oh, and watch out for Fitz in Chicago. There is a reason he went on TV to declare the Gov. Good Hair Blago was the worst villain in history since Jack the Ripper. He needed to keep his job in the new administration. Why? What kind of deals will he start cooking with people under indictment to get them to testify against Obama's associates---and maybe even the president himself? There is a reason that Bush Sr. left Linda Tripp behind in the White House. Fitz is Tripp, 2, the new improved model.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:54 PM
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1. I hear ya...(loved the pic) I would really like to see the dems do
what the pukes would do if they had a narrow majority - they would pull every trick in the book. The filibuster rule would have already been gone.

This trying to be Mr./Ms. Nice Guys & Gals is not the way to get anything done.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:56 PM
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2. "First, promise Obama their undying support" You blew it right out of the gate. Anyway, Obama will
win or lose based on Obama, not the Pukes. But thanks for playing.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:50 PM
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42. Yep, I stopped reading at that point. nt
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:55 PM
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72. Well then since you missed it, a VERY good point was made toward the end:
In a time of economic crisis, a Democratic president can not be perceived to be a friend of the rich and powerful, because that makes him an enemy of the people whose votes he needs to get re-elected.
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bloomington-lib Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #72
93. So now he's a communist/fascist/ socialist/capitalist whore
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #93
97. Huh?
You might want to stay off FR.
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bloomington-lib Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. Sarcasm...he's been called everything and they contradict each other
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #100
110. Which has absolutely nothing to do with my post.
But have a nice day anyway.
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bloomington-lib Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:35 PM
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111. You quote "president can not be perceived to be a friend of the rich and powerful"
I said "capitalist whore" How do you not get that? Why are you offended anyway? I'm commenting on what the original poster said that you quoted. It has nothing to do with you.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:49 PM
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114. Then REPLY to that post. When you click reply on someone's post
it indicates that you are directing your comments to that person or their view. If your comments are generic to the thread, reply to the OP.

Just a helpful hint from me to you to minimize understandings.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:46 PM
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71. I think Obama's fate is in Obama's hands too, but...
the skulduggery described in the OP makes a lot of sense to me.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:00 PM
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3. You're kidding, right? Ugh. nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:01 PM
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4. If things continue as they have been- and I see no indication that they won't
there's a pretty fair chance Obama will be a one termer, provided that Republicans are sensible enough to nominate an ostensibly credible, ostensibly moderate candidate like Romney.

That's a pretty big "if."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:09 PM
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9. Now Romney is credible and moderate?
:rofl:

He reminds me of a used-car salesman.

Oh, and then there's this...

http://romneyfacts.com/
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. no one thought reagan had a chance in hell to be president....
maybe the republicans will pick someone worse than him.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
34. you're kidding, right...? or were you just not paying attention at the time?
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 10:48 PM by dysfunctional press
LOTS of people wanted and expected him to be president.
that's a big part of why he was able to win.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
70. No, no, no.
Facts are useless against a Republican Swiftboat media.

Gore claimed invented the Internet. He's a serial exaggerator. He sighed.
Bush was a heroic pilot in the TANG.Dan Rather crashed & burned for trying to tell any other story.
Kerry faked injuries for his Purple Hearts.
Bush inherited 9-11 and a recession from Clinton.

That's the problem with us reality-based Dems. No imagination.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:03 PM
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5. .
:rofl:


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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:04 PM
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6. Wasn't FDR reelected 4 times and died early in his forth term 1945?
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BbeltAtheist Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. This prediction
makes a lot of assumptions that are still to be decided.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. welcome to DU
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:06 PM
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17. He was ELECTED 4 times...Three of those victories were re-elections
n/t.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:03 PM
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30. Okay, sorry.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. No problem. Just making sure the history's straight.
n/t.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
31. Elected once. Reelected 4 times.nt
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #31
43. Oops. Typo. Reelected 3 times. nt
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:39 PM
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32. I suppose technically, he was elected once,
then RE-elected 3 times. He died in April 12, 1945 - less than a month before VE Day (May 8)
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:53 PM
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35. Elected once. Re-elected 3 times.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:08 PM
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7. good reading
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 08:11 PM by G_j
I was impressed with your acknowledgment of Kissinger’s "October surprise" in 1968.
And course, the RW turns around and propagates the myth that Humprey's loss was the fault of the hippie demonstrators in Chicago, the LEFT.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:09 PM
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10. i agreed with up the the fitz-blago
i wish fitz would clean up the democratic party in illinois and i do`t care who takes the fall and who gets thrown in jail. this state is corrupt to the core.

hell, the best democrat we have to win obama`s senate seat won`t run for it.

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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:13 PM
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12. Romney has that cult problem
and the teabaggies will defect. I'll bet you a star Romney will not be President in 2013.

Yes the Republicans and Corporate America are ruthless, but the current President is always moves ahead of them and us. Stay tuned.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:21 PM
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14. Sorry, but that post should have begun with "Once upon a time----".
The only thing that saves it from being TOTAL speculation is that the Repubs do have a Reagan wannabe named Romney, though your post may have made him soil his "sacred underwear".
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:24 PM
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15. You Are Asking Obama to Undergo a Saul of Tarsus Event
It ain't gonna happen. First off, Obama would have to do a LOT of apologizing to the people he's hurt, and we are legion. Second, he'd have to wean himself from the Corporate teat. Third, he'd have to send his family into the safety of exile--probably in Venezuela.

Then he MIGHT be able to actually accomplish something. If he wanted to.

I don't believe he does, unfortunately. He wants to preside, not lead.

If you want a leader, we will have to turn to someone like Howard Dean. There's a man who has already defied the Corporate Master Class, and is willing to do so again, even if it means his death.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:02 PM
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16. I'm with Demeter on this one. nt
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:23 PM
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20. I have been convinced for some time Obama realizes this is about survival.
He has learned how it works. It was clearly demonstrated how easy security is breached at the White House for good measure. The corporate interests in this country will never give up power to anyone.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:25 AM
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50. I think you have it right.
There have been incidents that were intended to send him a message....like the security breach at the WH and Air Force one doing a low fly over NYC and other things that were intended to show that they could fuck him up anytime they wanted to...they did the same with Clinton when Jessie Helms made a speech saying that it was dangerous for him to go to a military base in his state.
They have the power to manage the president and they use it.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:51 AM
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48. he would have to clear all the DLCers out of his cabinet--which is the WHOLE cabinet
minus those who are actual Wall Street crooks, so they don't need to belong to an ideological group designed to toady to themselves.

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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:39 PM
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113. +1
start with Rahm
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #15
65. +1
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:48 AM
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69. +1
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:11 PM
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18. K&R - The past is the key to the future, except when it isn't. nt
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:22 PM
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19. Extremely plausible. (I'm surprised I can't find fault.)
500+T$ CDSwaps also bolster your scenario. CDSs can be unleashed at any moment.

And, unlike FDR, Obama is young, healthy, and is disinterested in being a martyr. So, I don't see this change of heart.

I think his best bet for doing good is to let HCare insurance reform pass in order then to fail to fool public opinion.

It's hard for Americans to admit that we don't really have a democracy that still works for US.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:32 PM
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21. Interesting reading, but I'd be surprised if Obama runs again
I fully expect the Dem nominee to be Hillary.

Obama won't be having an FDR moment, and he can't run on 'Uh...Yes We Still Can.' The only way open to the Dems is with the first female Prez. Which would put the Repubs in a bind with Romney or Jeb, etc. The smart advertising & marketing dollars would be on Palin (lol yeah, I know.)

America's First Female President!

The pageantry!

The drama!

(The smoke and mirrors for continuing the One Party corporate agenda)

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. "I fully expect the Dem nominee to be Hillary."
:rofl:


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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:38 PM
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25. That would surprise you then?
:popcorn:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:45 PM
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28. Actually, it appears you're the one in for a surprise. n/t
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:34 PM
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22. Agree with everything you said. I put the odds of Romney
being President in 2013 at 75%. He'll figure out something to make the economy explode, even if it's all smoke and mirrors. Next year, Romney will start his run.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:54 AM
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58. Ridiculous. Why? Who votes in primaries? The base, that's who, and
the repuke base loathes Romney.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:37 PM
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24. Some interesting ideas in your post,
but I just can't take anyone seriously who includes the words "I am often right in my predictions," in the first paragraph. At that point the post becomes comedy.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:54 AM
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52. Do I need to supply a dictionary definition of the word "often"?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:38 PM
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26. I put this one up there with another one of your "predictions"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:46 PM
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29. .
:rofl:


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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:09 PM
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38. lol
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:13 AM
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54. LOL! n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:57 AM
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59. and that's just one of many of the OP's failed and patently absurd predictions
that she has the gall to claim her predictions are often accurate, is breath taking. I can think of only one person here who make more outlandish erroneous predictions than the OP.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:41 PM
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75. That is one of the "predictions" I made in hopes of reducing the likelihood of it
actually happening. Like the OP above...

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:52 PM
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79. so you're the reason that there was no October surprise
I had no idea you were so influential. What other miracles have you performed for us?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:09 PM
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88. wowzer. that's just pathetic. worst excuse ever for a lame prediction
and that you actually seem to believe that Israel didn't attack Iran because of something you posted here, or that your threads here impact at all on such things, is just... disturbing. and disturbed.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #75
92. so was this prediction the reason Hillary wasn't the VP nominee?
or was it the reason Obama won?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


I'm very confused about how your reverse psychology powers work their magic?

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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:15 PM
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104. Sure. I'll believe you. nt
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:43 PM
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27. Already predictions of stolen elections
years out into the future.

Sometimes I think there is no hope for these people.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:43 PM
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76. I predicted the stolen 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections---but only days to months in advance.
I am hoping that if we start planning now we can keep it from happening now.

We can start with election reform. But, strangely no one seems interested.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:44 PM
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33. "My Prediction for the October Surprise: Israel Bombs Iran's Nuclear Plant, Kills Russian Techs"
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 10:44 PM by dysfunctional press
yeah- you sure are one hell of a political prognosticator.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

romney? president?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:31 PM
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His magic underwear make that impossible, never happen nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:16 PM
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105. yep.
conservative christians aren't going to vote for a mormon. not in this dimension, anyway.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:04 PM
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37. Romney isn't popular on the right.
If the Right doesn't like HCR, then they certainly aren't going to go for the governor that signed its predecessor into law. And some of the elements of the bill won't even go into effect until after the election.

Just take a stroll over at Freeperland. They don't like the Bushes anymore either. I fully expect Romney to run, but I think that even Jindal has a far better chance of getting the nomination.

Anyway it's way too early to make predictions. Remember the October surprise that never happened? Yes Obama has room for improvement, but the one term crap has gotta go.
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Cartoonist Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:21 PM
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39. Not gonna happen
Hillary runs in 2012
Romney gets the GOP nod

I don't know who will run against Obama, but Sarah has all the right wing support she needs if she wants it.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:33 PM
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40.  "Fitz is Tripp, 2, the new improved model."
You're kind of a nut, aren't you?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:34 PM
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41. Obama needs to start by cleaning house: firing the banksters in the admin-the ones complicit in the
debacle

until then...

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:22 AM
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46. +1
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:18 AM
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44. Don't you belong somewhere else? Going down!


:shrug:
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:31 AM
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45. My mother grew up during Roosevelt's
administration. He was an adored father figure. The people trusted him unconditionally and credited him
with their salvation. One thing she always spoke affectionately of was the fireside chats. Roosevelt had a
rapport with the people no other president has had since. Obama had that connection during the campaign.
He MUST reconnect with the people. Of course the backbone of his presidency will be the legislation passed,
but the connection is vital.

I think you offer a plausible scenario only it won't be Jeb Bush. If it is, it's time to leave the country for all
will be lost.

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:38 AM
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47. K&R. Excellent advice.
21st Century FDR is absolutely the way to go in so many ways. For many many reasons.

Not least of which is that the GOP has feared FDR policies and ideas for years because they helped so many people so very solidly.

Hurry up already dear President O. You already missed out on some wonderful opportunities to echo FDR's famous quotes and help millions of us out of the multi-pronged national emergency we're in.

You played bizarre fake bipartisan games with our national health security when thousands of us were being evicted from our homes every day.

That alienated lots of people when you could have won over millions by insisting on Medicare for All as the public option from the get go. The bankers got a bailout. The people need one too.

Jobs programs-- the Bush Gang ignored our infrastructure in favor of funding wars of choice and left our country decrepit. Real work is needed here at home. Not make-work. Clean up from Republican neglect. Furthermore, think how much more of a world leader you'd have been coming to Copenhagen with green jobs already underway in the USA.

My beautiful dream of a 21st Century FDR was so fitting for our time. After the most destructive president in US history, how thrilling it would have been, since we'd reached another Republican Depression, to have embarked on FDR like critiques of the plutocracy we'd become again and strong remedies to re-regulate High Finance and put people back to work.

It doesn't take much audacity to cower and cave in to corporate power. It takes audacity to follow the FDR path.
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Ysabela Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:20 AM
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49. Spot on. I always said Fitz was a plant.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:48 AM
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51. There is one flaw in all of this...
the GOP has nothing at this point to offer.

I cannot see any R that is presidential caliber; there is no "plan"; the GOP is in disarray and crumbling before our eyes.

I will concede they have deep pocket backers, however, that's really all they have. Looking back to the bush years debacle, there is a very heavy negative situation to overcome, and even some of the stalwart R's are reconsidering their backing of Reagan, whose policies were the catalyst for what we are enduring today.

When one adds the splintering off of the "teabaggers" and other fringe groups, I actually see a pretty hefty D win.

Naturally, everything hangs on the next 2+ years, (little can be done except pandering some 9 months before a major election). If the economy is showing recovery or has recovered, it will be an easy shot. When it comes down to brass tacks, elections are economically motivated. Other items are essentially peripheral, even if they loom large in the minds of voters.

The R's will do all they can to keep a recovery from occurring, simply so they can blame PO on a terrible economy...(conveniently "forgetting" that GOP policies have been a disaster economically), and we have to remember that the GOP is in it for those who have already amassed great wealth, and demand more. The destruction of the Middle Class has been a GOP goal for many a year...they must be called on that every chance we have.



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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:59 AM
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60. only one flaw in the OP? There's at least a dozen.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:01 AM
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66. That flaw I mentioned was the one that keeps all of the other things...
from happening... ;)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:04 AM
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53. All that seems quite reasonable and possible to me ...
... except the part about Obama acting like FDR. That doesn't seem very likely.

:dem:

-Laelth
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:20 AM
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55. "STOLEN" elections is the key concept here . . . and Dems are doing nothing about it -- !!!
And I'd venture that you could take that back all the way to Nixon/Humphrey --

and forward to the Obama win which allegedly was a great landslide the public wasn't

told about -- and allegedly that we would have had another 24 House Reps for Dems --

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:31 AM
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56. insane ramblings. and your predictions are almost entirely WRONG
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 08:32 AM by cali
you have a lot of nerve claiming they're almost always on target when fucking anyone who pays attention to your turgid but well illustrated and immaculately laid out posts can see your piss poor track record.

Obama may lose in 2012, but it will hardly be for the "reasons" you give- though you'll be certain to spin it as if it was.

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:47 PM
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77. Cali! No thread is complete without Cali getting personal against anyone who questions
her "precious".

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:02 PM
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83. I suggest you do some reading, sweetie. I've written thread after thread of cogent criticism
of Obama's policies and decisions. Just pucker your lips and... use the search function . I make no bones about it: I don't think highly of your pretentious bullshit- whatever the subject. You fool a lot of people with your nigh on impenatrable crap, but it is what it is. It's not criticism of Obama I dislike, it's your nonsense. And your delusional nonsense about your predictions- which have proven to be wrong, time after time.
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12AngryBorneoWildmen Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:43 AM
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57. I'm with you McCamy.
No conspiracy is too far-fetched for the likes of the BFEE. Never forget Jeff Gannon and no witnesses to W's gig in the "Bama Guard. McCamy's piece way back when is what hooked me on DU. And Truth2Tell--stop trying to pass off Joseph Gordon-Leavitt as Dennis Kucinich.
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:12 AM
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61. I could not agree more that Obama must act more like FDR, but then Obama,
as smart as he is, doesn't seem to be much of a student of history. As I see it, that's a huge problem.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:51 PM
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78. I think growing up in another country made him miss out on the 60s
and early 70s which is when so many people in the U.S. came of political age. Think about how bad censorship must have been in Indonesia under Suharto (the US puppet dictator). What if he decided that Suharto was normal ?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:36 AM
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62. "What?"
Heard in a certain DU forum:

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:38 AM
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63. So, true--and Obama is damn a fool to if he doesn't see this...
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 10:40 AM by CoffeeCat
Obama is obviously dumping the base, and I'm sure--as you said--he's getting assurances from the
cabal--that they will allow him to be President, as long as he doesn't kow tow to his base.

The question is--who in the hell would be stupid enough to trust these bastards? Who would
be stupid enough to think that if you give them everything they want--that they will be there
for you and keep you in power?

It doesn't matter if you do EVERYTHING they want--they will still undermine you and set you
up to fail. They not only want their policies implemented (torture, corporatism, illegal
spying, no healthcare reform), they want the Democratic party destroyed.

The Republican arguments against a public option are ridiculous lies (death panels). The
Republicans know that if a public option passes, their biggest challenge is explaining
to everyone why the public option worked and why the death panels never transpired. They
will be called out as chicken-little liars.

So, they squelch healthcare reform.

I can only imagine the bullying, the intimidation and the power plays happening behind closed
doors. I'm sure it's overwhelming. However, to watch Obama's policies unfold--you just know
that he's going along with them, and that he's being a wussy. They're leading the lamb to the
slaughter, and they're playing him for a fool.

If Obama had cajones, he would not play along with this. I don't care how much power these thugs
have or how scary they are. You have power as a President and there are people in the world
who want this nonsense stopped. You either go along with it or you bust it wide open.

Watching all of this is really disturbing and pathetic.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:31 PM
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98. "who in the hell would be stupid enough to trust these bastards?"
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 07:34 PM by clear eye
Someone who got a glass-ceiling busting appointment as editor of a prestigious law review by playing along w/ conservative law professors & dept. heads though never accepted as one of them. Someone who learned to cut deals w/ squalid, greedy little Republicans in a state legislature by undercutting Dem committee chairs, taking credit w/ his constituency and party bigwigs for getting bills passed leading to their support for his U.S. Senate race. Someone who perhaps mistakenly thought the masters behind the national Republicans were similar to those he'd learned to work at the state level or similar to the ivory tower conservatives at law school. (Someone whose wife warned him that he didn't "know how mean these guys are".) Someone who felt abandoned by an anti-establishment (progressive) mother whose demands seemed insatiable and who cut him loose for six of his youthful years to make his own way w/o her help. And someone who got apparently golden political advice from the same friendly university professor who emphasized how important it is to first and foremost follow the advice of the geniuses of global finance.

In short, someone who's always gone it alone, extracted favors from the most powerful, and reached the highest position in the land by not being a team player.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 04:54 AM
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118. That's So Sad
But it has the ring of truth
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:52 AM
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64. Boy, are you & I on the same wavelength.
Last night I was formulating the open letter I would send the WH that the national Republicans are not the same as the opposition in the Illinois State Legislature. That they will not let you stay onboard if you just play along w/ a few demands. What they will do is intentionally make their demands of you so offensive to swing voters and so harmful to the country that they can use your actions to campaign against you. They can get what they want w/o getting their hands dirty doing it. And they are not satisfied w/ a greedy little cut off the top of all programs. Their mega-corporate masters will settle for nothing short of non-democratic, world domination to do whatever they want w/ global resources including taxation no matter how apocalyptic the consequences. So unless you're willing to go along w/ the annihilation of your daughters' world they'll never stop asking for more. And you will never be their choice unless you switch teams and play under their banner.

And that was your (McCamy Taylor's) first point. Letting hardcore 3rd-wayers dictate the strategy is a truly fatal error.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:02 AM
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67. The rest of your post sounds more than plausible, it sounds likely.
The R's have a stranglehold on the economy not only b/c of a missing jobs bill, but b/c the WH won't use every ounce of its power for meaningful new regs on Wall Street (including breaking up the "too-big-to-fails") and the Federal Reserve.

But Obama won't even hear the alternatives what he's been doing b/c he is sold on Goolsbee's analysis that progressive economists have nothing useful to offer.

His strategy has left us w/ a choice of two R Presidential candidates and a losing 3rd partyer. Heaven help us.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:22 AM
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68. Are these REALLY predictions?
voter fraud
voter suppression
e-vote tampering
funding a Nader type
engineered foreign relations debacle
corporate media tricks
corporate engineered disasters
bush crime family dirty tricks
dirty tricks - not otherwise mentioned

A prediction is something that may or may not happen.

What you mention are chapters in the GOP election guide...a metaphysical certainty.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:03 PM
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73. You're joking.
>Fitz is Tripp, 2, the new improved model.<

Any issues Obama may have with staff members are his own, and weren't manufactured by Patrick Fitzgerald. I know it's tough for those of you who are still insisting that pooooor Blago was framed. Perhaps you should talk with someone who actually lives in Chicago, and whose memories aren't as fond as yours.

"He needed to keep his job in the new administration"? Patrick Fitzgerald could walk out of the US Attorney's office in Chicago TODAY, and have a seven-figure a year job at a private firm by five p.m. tomorrow afternoon. I seem to remember that the vast majority who live in the Northern District of Illinois begged Obama to keep him on.

Get over yourself.

:eyes:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:53 PM
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80. Do you remember Ken Starr? If not, you should look him up.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:17 PM
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91. I remember Kenneth Starr well. It's unfortunate you don't.
You might try doing a little more research on Patrick Fitzgerald and his career before painting him with the same brush.

Then again, I'm sure facts and research aren't your forte, are they?

:eyes:
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kurtzapril4 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:58 PM
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102. Re: You're Joking
As someone who lives in NE Il, and lived in Chicago for 30 years, and a Democrat...Blagoyevich is crooked as the day is long, and he wasn't framed. He was caught, dead to rights, with phone conversations to prove it.

I voted for Blagoyevich the 1st time he ran because we had had as governor this corrupt, wheezing gas-bag, George Ryan, previously.

Ryan's now in jail, hopefully for the rest of his life. While Ryan was Secretary of State, people who worked for him at the DMV were taking bribes for CDL licenses, which were funneled to Ryan, with his knowledge. They were also required to work on his campaign during work hours, and contribute to his campaign in order to keep their jobs.

One of the truck drivers who "bought" his license was involved in an accident with a mini-van that caused 6 of the 8 children of the parents who were in the front seats to burn alive. Well, this caused a big 'ol stink. The investigations against Ryan were stepped up.

Now, during this whole time, Ryan was running for governor. So was a Democrat named Glen Poshard. Their views were similar, both were pro-gun, pro-life, pro-big business. Yet, in their wisdom, the voters of Illinois voted for the Republican, becaus Dems are always suspect, even though Ryan was UNDER INVESTIGATION by the federal govt.

Ryan served out his term, under a cloud. Quite conveniently, he was not indicted until his term was over.

This opened the path for Mr. Big Hair,(Blagoyevich)as the people were desperate.

However, as Blagoyevich's first term wore on, I got sick of the sleaziness, the arrogance, the rumblings of impropriety, the alleged govt. investigations regarding bribery and influence peddling. Turns out they weren't merely allegations.

When Blogg-o ran for a 2nd term, I voted for the Green Party candidate. I am proud of that vote. Because a lot of us were fed up with both parties, the Greens got enough percentage of the vote to be included on future ballots in Illinois. I might not see change in my lifetime...but I helped insure a place on the ballot for a third party.

I'm a fan of Fitzgerald.

Sorry for the long post.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:05 PM
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108. Good summary.
I voted for Blago's 2nd term instead of going green only because I figured it was a vote for Quinn.
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kurtzapril4 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:08 PM
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103. Re: You're joking....
As someone who lives in NE Il, and lived in Chicago for 30 years, and a Democrat...Blagoyevich is crooked as the day is long, and he wasn't framed. He was caught, dead to rights, with phone conversations to prove it.

I voted for Blagoyevich the 1st time he ran because we had had as governor this corrupt, wheezing gas-bag, George Ryan, previously.

Ryan's now in jail, hopefully for the rest of his life. While Ryan was Secretary of State, people who worked for him at the DMV were taking bribes for CDL licenses, which were funneled to Ryan, with his knowledge. They were also required to work on his campaign during work hours, and contribute to his campaign in order to keep their jobs.

One of the truck drivers who "bought" his license was involved in an accident with a mini-van that caused 6 of the 8 children of the parents who were in the front seats to burn alive. Well, this caused a big 'ol stink. The investigations against Ryan were stepped up.

Now, during this whole time, Ryan was running for governor. So was a Democrat named Glen Poshard. Their views were similar, both were pro-gun, pro-life, pro-big business. Yet, in their wisdom, the voters of Illinois voted for the Republican, becaus Dems are always suspect, even though Ryan was UNDER INVESTIGATION by the federal govt.

Ryan served out his term, under a cloud. Quite conveniently, he was not indicted until his term was over.

This opened the path for Mr. Big Hair,(Blagoyevich)as the people were desperate.

However, as Blagoyevich's first term wore on, I got sick of the sleaziness, the arrogance, the rumblings of impropriety, the alleged govt. investigations regarding bribery and influence peddling. Turns out they weren't merely allegations.

When Blogg-o ran for a 2nd term, I voted for the Green Party candidate. I am proud of that vote. Because a lot of us were fed up with both parties, the Greens got enough percentage of the vote to be included on future ballots in Illinois. I might not see change in my lifetime...but I helped insure a place on the ballot for a third party.

I'm a fan of Fitzgerald.

Sorry for the long post.

Click here to go back to the main forums.
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mudplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:36 PM
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74. You're making the assumption that Obama is no more politically savy
than Jimmy Carter, which is, I believe, erroneous.

Carter only served one term precisely because he put principles ahead of politics (that, and the fact that Americans are, by and large, ignorant, immoral and venal).
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:56 PM
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82. I am certainly hoping Obama has more political sense than Carter. That is why I wrote this.
This is one "prediction" that I will be very very glad to see never come true.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:56 PM
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81. I have a question for you...
Why do you leave out poor folk from your list of those the Prez should be able to "courting"?

I really am curious about this, as "progressive" proclaim undying support for poor folk, yet never seem to remember us.

?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:05 PM
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84. You are assuming O can be something he is not.
Something keeps echoing in my ear about O, that should ring in everybodies ears. "I am NOT who you think I am" he told the Wall st. Banksters who were accusing him of being a lefty which he certainly is not. What FDR proved unequivocally is that being a lefty is good business as he marshaled in a booming economy that lasted decades all the way up to the imbecile Reagan. Right wing policies and being a righty is terrible business and terrible for the economy of the people, as has been unequivocally proven in the last 40 years. We have to get out that truth boldly and counter the obvious lies of the right wing pugs. Left leaning policies like medicare, fair income tax models and controls on Wall st, are the roots of a healthy economy. Selfish right wing policies are bad, in capital letters, for the economy. That should not be such a hard lesson to teach the American people, with history so overwhelmingly proving that point. Unfortunately O is not an FDR. O I believe has been tainted by the simpleton Milton Friedman and that whole Chicago clap trap of survival of the fittest which does not even work in the jungle. The real and complicated jungles of Chicago should have taught him something about the realities of simple kindness, education and a hand up of the kind he himself experienced but seems now, in the throes of a wannabee, to have forgotten.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:05 PM
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85. We could certainly use more FDR in the White House -- !!!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:06 PM
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86. Roosevelt was part of the power elite. Obama is merely their PR guy.
There's no way Obama could do anything differently than he has.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:12 PM
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89. Yes, he can! He just has to believe that he can and not get hung up on the
opinions of corporate America. They are incredibly vulnerable right now as they were in the Depression. He can do whatever he wants with the banksters and insurance CEOs and America would cheer. However, isolated in DC with no one around him except advisers beholden to industry, he might not see the truth. He might think corporate America's power is absolute.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:35 PM
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94.  McCamy,
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 06:35 PM by Nikki Stone1
They might hurt him.

It is that high stakes of a game.
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silenttigersong Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:09 PM
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87. Romney
will be easy prey to knee cap,hasn't he dismantled companies in order to secure his wealth?I see Bloomberg running,and could very well win considering the splintering of both parties.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:13 PM
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90. Bloomberg would be Ross Perot and therefore Dems would win.
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 06:14 PM by McCamy Taylor
I hope he wastes some of his billions running as a third party splitter.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:37 PM
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95. Excellent post.
The entie scenario very plausible. Everything that's predicted has very real precedent. And, just as importantly, Americans simply don't want to accept the way they've been manipulated. Most will say without any doubt, that Bush won legitimately both times.

The Iran hostage crisis was Carter's fault. The idea that the Republicans made backroom deals with Iran, the Idea that they sabotaged Carter's attempts to free the hostages is completely foreign to the vast majority of Americans. In fact, Reagan is a "hero" for getting them freed.

The idea that this kind of thing won't happen again is ridiculous. Two of our last three elections were phony, and they tried to do it again last time, but it was just too big of a landslide.

Of course the Republicans will try to steal it again in 2012.
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undergroundnomore Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:06 PM
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96. This country
can't handle another 12 years of those crazies!
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marcmanv007 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:40 PM
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99. You Forgot About What The repukes Will Do To The Country Once Back In..
..finish off this country as we know it that's what.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:55 PM
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101. I Disagree
I think the corporate powers will remain too content with Obama to allow him to pass out of office in 2012. Or haven't you noticed how quiet the Frists are, as they move into DoD contracting territory?
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:38 PM
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106. Hmm. You got a point.
They've got someone who can do things (e.g. shrink public Medicare) that no Republican could get away with, and don't have to get their hands dirty. It's a sweet deal for them.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:50 PM
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107. It is very likely that he will be forced to change course
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12182009/transcript4....

Robert Kuttner on Obama:

I think this guy is nothing if not a work in progress. He's nothing if not a learner. And I think there is a chance. I don't think I would bet my life on it but I think there's a possibility that by the fall of 2010, looking down the barrel of a real election blowout, you could see him change course, if only for reasons of expediency, but hopefully for reasons of principle as well, if he feels that the public doesn't have confidence that he is delivering the kind of recovery that the public needs. This is a guy who is a very smart, complicated man. And I think don't speak too soon, for the wheel's still in spin. I don't want to totally give up.


At this point, I don't believe it will be a matter of principle but if it happens solely because of political expediency, then so be it. As things stand, Congress is in trouble. I believe his Presidency is safe for 2012 no matter what (though I have no doubt that you are 100% right about the forthcoming GOP tactics) but if Obama and the Democrats in Congress see that they are seriously in danger of losing Congress (which I 100% believe to be the case at this point in time), there will be some meaningful policy shifts. I don't know whether it is a question of bad advice or too much advice but the Obama team has completely lost focus. It's funny that you mention Romney and Reagan. I see Team Obama attempting to create a Reagan-esque Presidency (minus the meddling First Lady). This is a huge mistake. A made-for-tv Presidency worked in the 80's but we're long past that now. If he gets REAL, as you suggest, then a Reagan imitator like Romney will be seen for what he is - empty. It would also serve the party well as it would created a mark contrast in the public mind. Romney fluff vs. Obama fluff is business as usual. Democrats need to go back to their roots and actually represent the common man.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 04:42 AM
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117. I didn't buy it when Kuttner said it, and I don't buy it now.
I don't think he sees the loss of a Dem majority as a loss for him. If anything it takes the pressure off him to deliver for the base. He's never been a team player (one of my journal entries during the campaign said I thought it was a mistake for him to distance himself so much from the party as he ran).

I think we've got what we've got in the WH, and it's not a Dem President in any meaningful sense. We were baited & switched.
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Vermontgrown Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:06 PM
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109. Sounds
like maybe just maybe a prediction that could happen if the American people let it. The best thing to do is get the word out here on the internet, local newspapers, and however else word is spread. What we'll end up with is more of the same if there's no rally around what is right. Wasn't Obama a call to arms to get rid of a branch of government that was and is qute clearly corrupt to the core. The sad thing is it's not just on the right side. We can't let the right wing nut jobs take over aagin so soon. It will make things much worse, much worse. To the point of civil war in this country. That's my prediction.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:37 PM
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112. I love the picture.
I wish I could have met FDR and shook his hand. Definitely the best president ever.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 03:28 AM
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115. Fine Obama will start acting more like FDR
When do the internment camps for Muslims open up?

And actually on gay rights Obama's handling bears a strong resemblance to FDR's handling of black civil rights.

Obama can do just fine without taking instructions from you.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 04:29 AM
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116. I look for JEBtm in 2016 to be their next threat...
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