What is really twisted and sick to me .

[blues90]

We in america talk about health Ins and health care yet we send our own off to wars for corporations to bomb and kill other people.

How can anyone justify that? Isn't that the height of hypocrisy?

[NJmaverick]

1. Our nation was founded through force of arms and it has from time to time

had to defend itself by the same means. It sucks, but until the nature of man changes, we have no choice.

[timeforpeace]

2. Was that your attitude when Bush was President?

[NJmaverick]

4. Bush's war in Iraq was a war of aggression

Afghanistan was a war of defense (although I think Bush blundered by not trying to negotiate with the Taliban for Al Qaeda). Afghanistan was also badly managed and neglected by Bush so the gains made there have completely disappeared.

Still as long as the Taliban is working with Al Qaeda our self defense needs require us to make every effort not to let them regain control of Afghanistan (which would happen if we pull out today).

[arcadian]

9. less than 100 so called Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

You argument falls flat.

[NJmaverick]

12. Only if one takes a very superficial view of the world

if one applies even a little bit of critical thinking, one sees just how hollow your claims are. The FACT is the Taliban would easily recapture the Country if we were to pull out now. They are still working with Al Qaeda. So while there is only 100 now there will be 1000s if we go with your misguided plans.

[arcadian]

25. Please back up your claims with solid facts.

I want sourced material on Taliban strength, locations, movements, spheres of influence, armaments, etc. Have you been studying these things? Thought not. You're talking out of your ass as usual.

[NJmaverick]

27. You want classified intelligence because you are holding a piss poor position

and only by asking the impossible can you delude yourself into thinking you saved face.

[arcadian]

29. You said it was classified. Those numbers are surely available somewhere.

Why do you assume it's classified? More tinfoilery on your part. You are just intellectually lazy. :rofl:

[NJmaverick]

31. Where is your documentation?

You make crap up and then throw around insults with ZERO proof. That isn't even an lazy intellectual, that's just plain wrong.

[arcadian]

34. I'm not the one one making half assed assertions.

It's on you.

[NJmaverick]

37. !

:spray:

[arcadian]

41. Last word

I know it will drive you crazy knowing you won't get it.

[NJmaverick]

53. You need to get a life

seriously

[arcadian]

55. Nice Christmas sentiment you got there.

You are just lovely. Merry Christmas!

[arcadian]

7. Defend?

You call that a defensive posture? Sure as hell resembled the fucking blitzkrieg and you know it.

[NJmaverick]

10. What I know is that we were attacked on 911 by Al Qaeda

Al Qaeda was hosted by and based in Afghanistan with the blessings of the Taliban. If the US were to pull out of Afghanistan the Taliban and Al Qaeda will return and Al Qaeda has not grown any fonder of us nor are they any less inclined to attack us again.

[blues90]

15. and who started this? nt

[NJmaverick]

24. Al Qaeda started the war on 911 (or earlier if you look at other attacks)

[arcadian]

32. What war? We're at war?

Does Congress know about this? Again your limited scope is exposed for all to see.

[NJmaverick]

35. good night you will have to find someone else to attempt to piss off with your childish taunts

and worthless banter Enjoy your imagined reign as kind of DU

[arcadian]

43. Last word

I know it will drive you crazy knowing you won't get it.

[arcadian]

16. Please provide citation for this statement:

"in Afghanistan with the blessings of the Taliban." and also please provide sourced material for your assertion that "If the US were to pull out of Afghanistan the Taliban and Al Qaeda will return"

You simply live in a fantasyland where you spew military analyst's talking points and spoon fed propaganda. I simply do not find your statements in the least bit credible.

[NJmaverick]

20. Do you ever grow tired of being wrong?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7318600#7318634


If you would stop being so closed minded you wouldn't be so out of touch with reality.

[arcadian]

28. One friggin source? That's all you got?

Bwahahahaha!!! :rofl: <-@U

[NJmaverick]

30. 1 source is infinitely more than you have provided and that's all the effort you are worth

as you are to closed minded to learn anything. You will just go about making stuff up and providing ZERO proof as you always do. Maybe throw in some insults and childish crap in a pathetic attempt to distract or piss people off.

[arcadian]

36. Intellectual Lazyton, pop. YOU

[NJmaverick]

38. *yawn*

:boring:

[arcadian]

40. Last word

I know it will drive you crazy knowing you won't get it.

[DJ13]

11. DLC loves war

Makes lots of money for their friends.

Same friends as the GOP.

Say, you dont suppose.......

[NJmaverick]

14. That is truly some sick and perverse accusations

do you have even a shred of decency? What sort of person would stoop so low as to make those horrible and utterly false accusations? What happened to liberals being the moral and ethical side?

[DJ13]

19. DLC = anything for a buck

Prostitution comes to mind.

Better?

[NJmaverick]

22. it's better, but you have not apologized

When I read posts like yours, I am slapped in the face by the fact that "my side" is not better than the other side, which I really don't enjoy. I like to think of liberals at the good and moral people.

[DJ13]

33. "My side" is against the rise of corporate influence in our political structure

Both the DLC and the GOP believe they should serve corporate interests even to the detriment of the people.

Everything from repealing bank regulations, to war, to the current pro-insurance giveaway originates with that way of thinking.

There isnt a bucket of warm spit worth of difference in fiscal policies between the DLC and the GOP.

The end result is always making things worse for the average person.

[NJmaverick]

39. "your side" just made horrible and baseless accusations

I don't see the DLC doing stuff like that.

[DJ13]

44. I don't see the DLC doing stuff like that.

Im sure you dont, otherwise your conscience would get to you.

[ipaint]

50. It's true.

The DLC gave strong support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Prior to the war, Will Marshall co-signed a letter to President Bush from the Project for the New American Century endorsing military action against Saddam Hussein. During the 2004 Primary campaign the DLC attacked Presidential candidate Howard Dean as an out-of-touch liberal because of Dean's anti-war stance. The DLC dismissed other critics of the Iraq invasion such as filmmaker Michael Moore as members of the "loony left" <9>. Even as domestic support for the Iraq War plummeted in 2004 and 2005, Marshall called upon Democrats to balance their criticism of Bush's handling of the Iraq War with praise for the President's achievements and cautioned "Democrats need to be choosier about the political company they keep, distancing themselves from the pacifist and anti-American fringe."<7>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

Remember back then people against the iraq war were the "loony left" according to the DLC. Massive fail on that one.

Funny how history repeats itself. :rofl:

[inna]

48. :facepalm:

[Greyhound]

51. Never met one they didn't back. n/t

[blues90]

13. We always had a choice .

There is no way to simply pass it off as we have no choice. If this is the nature of all of mankind then we are truely screwed and will always be screwed. When was the last time we had to defend ourselves? I am 61 and we never were attacked that justified defending our selves.

Tell me if there were not oil in the ME we would ever even care.

[NJmaverick]

17. We had a choice in the sense that we could have allowed more Americans to be killed by more

terrorists attacks, but I figured that was unexceptionable to most people.

I responded to 911, I saw the towers burning and helped the injured. You might not think that was so bad, but I see it as an act of war that required a response.

[arcadian]

18. Pure tinfoil and wild speculation.

You have no credibility on this website.

[NJmaverick]

23. says the person who is under the delusion that he is the site's spokes person

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

please tell me more mr DU


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[arcadian]

42. Last word

I know it will drive you crazy knowing you won't get it.

[inna]

49. too funny

[blues90]

21. Not quite so easy.

I asked who started this.

[NJmaverick]

26. I answered your question in the other thread

[Bicoastal]

3. delete

delete

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. Follow the money. Always follow the money. The military-industrial complex has made uncountable $$

doing the war thing. It is that which has to be stopped, these CEOs and other war-corporation a-holes.

[NJmaverick]

6. If you are going to accuse our President of doing such horrible things

it would be nice if you had more than some vague and worthless "follow the money" comment as your only proof.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. I'm blaming the military-industrial complex. And how long have they been around?

We need to kick their asses from here to there once and for all. I'm sick of them living well off my money.

[NJmaverick]

54. Sorry I am not a conspiracy theory type, I tend to stick with facts

[Mimosa]

45. Jesus said : "from the mouths of babes.."

Blues, in your post is the kind of truth which Jesus and Gandhi tried to teach.

[Goldstein1984]

46. The United States has been going through a militaristic phase

in which we tend to see violence and the solution, not only to geopolitical challenges, but to manipulating our own population.

Even our doves have grown talons and are hanging around with the hawks.

Andrew Bacevich explains it well in "The New American Militarism."

And no, we would not be in the Middle East if it were not for oil and pipeline routes.

Al Qaeda attacked the U.S. because of our military and economic imperialism. They attacked us because of our support for dictatorships, and because of our military presence in Saudi Arabia (Holy Land). And because of our support for Israel and their treatment of Palestinians. Osama bin Laden made this clear in statements released before 9/11. The attacks were against the Pentagon (the base of military imperialism) and the World Trade Center (the base of economic imperialism).

When we fail to see things from our adversaries' point of view, we make conflict more likely.

[Greyhound]

52. And like the attacks themselves, they succeeded beyond their dreams. n/t

[ipaint]

47. We do a hell of alot more than that.

Interview - Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Part I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8


Many of the world’s most repressive dictators have been friends of America.

...They usually grow rich, while their countries’ economies deteriorate and the majority of their people live in poverty. US tax dollars and US-backed loans have made billionaires of some, while others are international drug dealers who also collect CIA paychecks. Rarely are they called to account for their crimes. And rarely still, is the US government held responsible for supporting and protecting some of the worst human rights violators in the world.
Friendly dictators

Abacha, General Sani —————————-Nigeria
Amin, Idi ——————————————Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo —————————Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio ——————————–Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal —————————-Brunei
Botha, P.W. —————————————South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ———————Brazil
Cedras, Raoul ————————————-Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio ———————————–Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ———————————Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ————————Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo ——————————-El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ———————————Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel —————————-Liberia
Duvalier, Francois ——————————–Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude—————————–Haiti
Fahd bin’Abdul-’Aziz, King ———————Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco ———————–Spain
Hitler, Adolf —————————————Germany
Hassan II——————————————-Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand ——————————-Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez —El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko ——————————-Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ————————Panama
Ozal, Turgut ————————————–Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza —————Iran
Papadopoulos, George ————————–Greece
Park Chung Hee ———————————South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ———————Chile
Pol Pot———————————————Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ————————Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ———————Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ————————————Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira ——————–Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. ————————–Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. ————————-Nicaragua
Smith, Ian —————————————-Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo —————————–Paraguay
Suharto, General ———————————Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas ———————–Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ——————Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ———————-Pakistan

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dictators/Friendly_Dictators.html

The misery and death we support and encourage is staggering.