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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:20 AM
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8th-grader strangled in band class now has headaches--help!
My friend's son was strangled from behind in his 8th grade band class until he passed out. After determining that this appeared to be entirely random and without provocation, the strangler was suspended for a week, just in time to get back for the band's Disneyland trip. I don't think Brandon could go, because he's been getting bad headaches.

This happened about 3 weeks ago, and I only recently found out. His mom picked him up and took him to a doctor, who just sent him home. When he started getting the headaches, they gave him tylenol twice a day but the headaches worsened, so the doctor told them it was a rebound reaction to the tylenol.

Right.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/23/21054/680
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:23 AM
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1. That sounds bad. :^(
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:27 AM
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2. Do you know this person? If so, and I don't mean to sound alarmist...
...but his mom might consider taking him to see another doctor, particularly a neurologist. There is some fairly delicate anatomy in the neck, including blood vessels not visualized by standard MRI, and it might be a good idea to have him more closely evaluated.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:12 PM
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3. Agreed.
And if that all checks out ok, see an upper cervical chiropractor. There may be a structural problem involved that can be relieved with the proper work.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:42 PM
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7. Quack alert
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:27 PM
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4. I agree... he needs to be evaluated ASAP... nt
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:29 PM
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5. Also
the mucsles of the neck may have been damaged causing them to become eschemic and develop trigger points that refer into the skull... Medical massage therapies such as Neuro-Muscular Therapy (NMT) and Myofascial Release are non-invasive approaches to addressing muscular imbalances. If I was a betting man, I would imagine it was this.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:43 PM
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8. Quack alert
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:21 PM
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11. Are you just an ignorant person?
or on the AMA payroll. Do a smattering of research on NMT or Myofascial release to see the medical techniques out there. God the stupid fucking people in the world.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:24 PM
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12. Alright, I did a smattering of research on NMT.
All signs point to quackery.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:40 PM
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19. Wow, you don't know shit man
NMT and Myofascial Release are amazing muscular tools and my guess is you didn't do any research. Come out of your intellectual void pal.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:25 PM
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13. My brother is board-certified in occupational medicine and he finds
NMT etc. to be helpful in certain cases. Not all cases, but certain cases, and he has been able to get people off pain meds or spare them from surgery this way.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:29 PM
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6. suspended for a WEEK?!
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:44 PM
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9. Yeah, no kidding.
I'm hoping the kid who did that is getting some serious help at least. Good grief!
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:50 PM
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10. That was pretty shocking
I hope he was at least made to speak with a counselor. I was forced to speak with a school counselor simply for being quiet and shy and not having friends at a new school. I would hope that a counselor would intervene in a situation like this to at least try and determine if the child is emotionally or psychologically troubled in any way. The trip to Disneyland should have been completely out of the question for him. If I had a child who was suspended from school for that kind of assault, there is no way I would have allowed him a privilege such as a trip to Disneyland. I would be horrified.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:34 PM
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17. I can't imagine.
For one thing trips to Disney wouldn't be happening right after anything suspension worthy to begin with. But then something of that magnitude, there's serious problems going on, and something has to be done. I'd be frantic.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:26 PM
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14. Really, for assault with intent to harm if not attempted murder?
:wow:
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:32 PM
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16. no shit
that kid should have been thrown out, gone to juvenile hall and made to attend psych therapy.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:15 PM
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we don't know if it was really assault or if it was the choking game
the original link in dailykos is NOT from the victim or even from the victim's mom, it's from another mom who is getting this second hand weeks later

the person who choked me at that age was not trying to murder me, she was just trying to have some fun, it's an (admittedly unhealthy) form of adolescent sex play

that person did get out patient psychiatric treatment, but i would not have wanted anything bad to happen to her, like being locked up, i liked her and considered her a friend, so maybe i guess i'd better just not say anything more abt it

believe it or not, middle schoolers do some stupid things for fun sometimes, it doesn't (necessarily) mean that they all belong in federal prison

now maybe this kid is the second coming of ted bundy, but i don't see how we know that from a third hand report


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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:15 PM
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22. He would have probably been suspended for longer
if he had accidentally brought a freaking vitamin tablet to school. And he would have been kicked out for the rest of the year if he'd brought even the teeniest knife, even if he didn't use it on anyone. How fucked up is that whole system?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:29 PM
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15. Has he been checked for any brain injury?
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:36 PM
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18. He needs to get to another doctor...
...for a second opinion.

Unexplained headaches after being choked until you pass out seems like more than enough reason! Sounds like the first doctor is brushing aside any concerns that this might be a serious situation. As a parent, the mom should make certain her son is all right! In my opinion, she should also be considering the possibility of a civil suit against the boy who did this, and the school who as much as condoned it. A one-week suspension, and then allowing him to go on the band's Disneyland trip, is unconscionable in my opinion. The young man who did this should be facing criminal charges too, IMO. Choking someone from behind until they pass out is not horsing around, it is absolutely criminal behavior.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:51 PM
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20. Call the police. (n/t)
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:04 PM
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21. well you need to get an attorney not your internet friends to work on this but...
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 04:08 PM by pitohui
as for the rebound headaches caused by the tylenol, this happened to a friend who was prescribed tylenol for migraine (yrs ago) -- the headaches got worse and he developed fatigue, it turned out the tylenol was causing cirrhosis of the liver (it was almost 20 yrs ago and my friend is fine now so don't be scared) -- however tylenol is not something you should be taking every day, it's very hard on the liver

you need an attorney to go after the family of the kid who did the strangling for damages, and you probably need a second opinion to see what the damages are and if the headaches are going to be lifelong -- if they're from rebound to tylenol, they'll go away when he gets off the tylenol, the liver is a resourceful organ

but you need to get all this from a medical team and a legal team, not the internet, and if it happened in louisiana, you PROBABLY need to get the case filed within one year of the strangling, or there's a chance the case would get thrown out, because you waited too long


"going to the doctor and telling him what he needs to do" is not really a good idea -- at some point, you have to trust that the doctors are the one who went to medical school and that they have a better idea of what needs to be done than your invisible friends on the internet

a friend strangled me (for fun) when i was about the age, i guess you'd call it the choking game now, and i don't think i'm any crazier than i would be anyway, so this doesn't necessarily have to have lasting effects -- however, the game is dangerous and occasionally people do die playing with this, and the kid definitely needs to know that it isn't fun, cool, or safe to do this (or to have it done to him) -- education abt choking is a delicate thing, because it wouldn't occur to normal kids i don't think that this would even BE fun, but if they're already experimenting with this, then they need to know that it's very easy to go too far -- knowing what i know now, as an adult, i won't participate in this particular game

but the point is moot if your friend is a passive person who won't see a lawyer, won't get a second opinion from a doctor, and keeps her son swallowing tylenol because it's somehow magically safe because it's sold OTC -- you can't help the helpless, you know -- i don't see how the rebound headaches even have a chance of going until the tylenol is out of the picture
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:27 PM
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23. We're locking this.
Requests for health care advice, especially for potentially life-threatening situations, should be directed to a licensed professional and in person.

Thanks. Take care.
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