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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:03 PM
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A Man who Drives a Car in Circles was AP's Athlete of the Year.
Jimmie Johnson of NASCAR won the AP's athlete of the year award. He drives a car in circles, or ovals i guess if you want to be more specific. Apparently he is an "athlete"

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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:04 PM
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1. More than a golfer.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:04 PM
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2. His achievement is remarkable
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 01:05 PM by Renew Deal
And unprecedented. There was a lot of promise for his career and it has worked out. He reminds me of Tiger Woods in that way. He's better than the hype.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:28 PM
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58. More remarkable than breaking Pete Sampras all-time record?
Or is this an American only deal? Roger Federer broke the last remaining tennis records this year and left little doubt that he is the greatest player of all time.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:31 PM
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64. I'm not comparing
Obviously there are other contenders including Federer, Tiger, Kurt Warner, Jeter, Cristiano Ronaldo, and probably others. They all had amazing years. I don't know who I'd pick without looking at them more closely.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:06 PM
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3. Don't knock the athleticism of a sport. Tiger Woods knocks a ball around a yard
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 01:08 PM by berni_mccoy
And Horseback riders let the horses do all the work

And don't get me started on those Olympic archers and riflemen.

See how easy it is?

Athletic control of the body is more than just how many calories are exerted.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:07 PM
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4. Sweet. We haven't had a NASCAR thread in a while.
:popcorn:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:01 PM
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18. Extra butter on mine, please.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:15 PM
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21. Let's start one about NASCAR cars ...



... that have Confederate flags on them. And Olive Garden logos too. :eyes:



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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:28 PM
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23. Cool. Why don't they have decals plastered on their windshields?
I never understood that. :rofl:
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:07 PM
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5. Bent over Backwards not to pick Tiger Woods
Even without winning a major he dominated his sport like no one else did this year.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:10 PM
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33. When you think about it, Tiger really did give the best all-around performance of the year
by quite a long shot. :evilgrin:
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:18 PM
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37. You mean Golf? or Broad Jump?
But he won't win any prizes for driving a car.

:hi:
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:08 PM
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6. That's not nearly as outrageous as when Sports Illustrated
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 01:10 PM by tonysam
back in 1973 named Jackie Stewart as "Sportsman of the Year" because Stewart decided to quit auto racing.

This was outrageous in light of the fact 1973 was the year of Secretariat's sensational Triple Crown campaign. Few people remember Jackie Stewart; millions upon millions of people, horse racing fans and the general public, revere Secretariat as the greatest racehorse of all time.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:08 PM
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7. No doubt you will be told this is a demanding unpleasant activity
And it is. There's some pretty high temperatures, uncomfortable gear, and bodily demands. Not to mention the constant attention, focus and risk.

Of course the same could be said of working in a steel mill. Both jobs have rigorous demands. Neither is an example of an athlete. Some people tend to confuse the two.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:09 PM
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8. I don't really follow NASCAR
although I don't begrudge those who do. And I have questioned whether or not these guys are athletes. Having said all that, the question onwe should ask oneself is, "Could I do that week after week?' Drive around 170-200 mph and be literally inches from others who are doing the same thing. My answer is "No I couldn't". So congratulations to Jimmie Johnson.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:12 PM
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9. Have you ever listened to NASCAR on the radio?
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 01:15 PM by liberal N proud
He's making another left turn....
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:57 PM
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16. So isn't NASCAR a liberal sport?
Maybe they should have NASCAR for liberals where they go around the track counter-clockwise (the right way). Because all races are (that I know of) run counter-clockwise.

And they should have NASCAR for conservatives where they go around the track clockwise.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:08 PM
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55. Te US is the only place racing is counter clockwise
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:51 PM
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25. Well, I thought it was funny! nt
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:56 PM
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50. There's some actual audio here...
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:14 PM
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10. Women who give birth should win Athlete of the Year. nt
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:15 PM
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11. growing up in the backwoods of the shithole called Missouri
I can honestly say NASCAR sucks ass...



Had he been in motorcross racing that would be a different story :P
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:17 PM
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12. I find NASCAR boring, but auto racing IS a sport. These guys ARE athletes.
The training of a F1 driver, for instance, is brutal.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:36 PM
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13. There was a time when a "burly" rustic could make it in
auto racing, but now they can't chance an out of shape driver bonking 300 miles into a 500 mile race.

A lighter driver puts less strain on the car. 30 lbs could make a big difference on fuel milage in a sport where they know exactly how much fuel is being used. 30 lbs can give or take away that extra inch that can win a race.

A fitter driver can better handle the physical stress. They have more endurance so they will be sharper come the end of the race. They won't be missing a turn because they are so exhausted they lose concentration.

Remember when Indy Car drivers were upset that Danica had an advantage because she is so light?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:44 PM
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60. A lighter driver gives the crew chief more options
A NASCAR racecar weighs 3400 pounds--3200 of that is car, 200 driver. If the driver weighs less than 200, they add 10-pound lead weights to bring the car up to its proper weight.

Here's the catch: they don't tell you WHERE the weights have to go, just that when they put the driver in the car and push it onto the scale, it better weigh at least 3400 pounds. This lets the crew chief put the weights where he thinks they'll most benefit the driver.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:51 PM
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61. I'm waiting to see what Danica does in the Nationwide series.
I hope she takes to it. She is a hot head so I don't know how she will cope with being in a contact sport.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:52 PM
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15. You have to be an athlete to handle the G-forces in cornering, etc
and...NASCAR is boring; next F1 season should be interesting, though--I expect that Alonso is going to find out that the move to Ferrari won't be what he was expecting, especially if Massa is back on form; and the lack of in-race refuelling will make things all about tire management...not to mention the expanded grid (assuming all the new teams make it to the start of the season).
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:15 PM
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36. I agree
Don't care about it, but I understand the guy did something truly unique in his sport. At the same time his dominance has sort of hurt his sport since the new format was suppose to make the sport more exciting at the finish and thus rope in more casual fans. Instead he has simply flat out taken most of the made for TV drama out of the sport. Fun, fun.
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:51 PM
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14. NASCAR is "the people's sport" so maybe it's about the recession.
I believe you have to be in pretty great shape to drive on a competitive level. On top of that you need to have incredible hand/eye co-ordination and excellent focus.

NYC is my home town so we only acknowledge Basketball and Baseball as sports but NASCAR makes a lot of folks happy.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:11 PM
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20. Ever try to book a hotel in a city hosting a NASCAR race?
People's sport my ass
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Walk away Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:48 PM
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24. what on earth does that have to do with it? Maybe "The People"...
...stayed in the local hotels. Or are you implying that thousands of elitist NASCAR fans/Metro sexuals are buying up hotel rooms to shut out regular folk? If you are....that's funny!
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:55 PM
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27. I'm inplying that live NASCAR is too expensive for regular folks
Like everything else, money grubbers have ruined it
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:29 PM
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62. No...you're coming right out and saying it. And you're right.
Tickets to the Coca-Cola 600 run anywhere from $49 to $139 a head. Add food, drinks, probably a hotel room for at least one night...you're looking at five, six hundred dollars for a weekend's entertainment. You might also want to attend qualifying, and they sell tickets to that. If you want to go to the Nationwide race the day before, that'll cost you.

What I think is neat about racing: it is the only sport around where every team in the league plays on the same field on any given weekend. Plus, there's no homefield advantage. Did Miami beat New England at home because they're a better team, or because they were playing in Land Shark Stadium? If they would have played in Foxboro would it have made any difference? If the Patriots would have played the Jets this weekend would they have won? You guys who love football can argue this to excess; NASCAR fans don't have to worry about it. If Gordon, Harvick, Stewart and Johnson roll off the trailer in Bristol and Stewart wins, it's because Stewart's operation ran a better race.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:58 PM
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17. My brother works for Porsche
and the thought is that NASCAR is the least interesting of the racing groups. It dumbs down the advances we have made in engineering and the thought is to make everyone equal so everyone is on the same lap.
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:09 PM
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19. A) His achievement is a pretty remarkable run B) Drivers are definitely athletes
I don't follow the sport, but I do know that Johnson's streak is extremely impressive in any light, especially considering the lengths that NASCAR goes to keep car performance on a relative equal footing.

That said, I have also read that drivers can lose almost 20 pounds in water weight from the heat, constant concentration and sheer amount of muscle movement in one race. I certainly think there is some athletic prowess going on there.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:03 PM
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31. There absolutely is.
Drivers need to be very physically fit.
On the other hand I am not sure that just needing to be physically fit to compete makes something an athletic activity... and thus the participant an athlete.
I can see both sides of this one.
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Saboburns Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:26 PM
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22. I really enjoy the sport of NASCAR
There's quite a bit of teamwok in this sport. There's quite a bit of NAscar hate around here, and mucho stereotyping as well. My absolute favorite vacation of the year is taking a camper to Charlotte every Memorial Day for the 600 miler. We camp in a field with a couple of hundred thousand fans who have such a good time. NASCAR fans are some of the kindest, curteous, fun-loving people anywhere. And the race is so
ething to behold.

I understand NASCAR isn't for everybody buy I must admit I don't like the horrible stereotyping about it here on DU. And I would encourage folk to go take in a race in person, I think that would open a lot of eyes.

BTW not that it means anything but I love soccer, ecspecially English Premier League and Champions League matches. I have coached High School Football for 19 years and I say NASCAR is a sport with incredible competition.

I'm no Jimmy Johnson fan but what he's accomplished the past four years with the level of competition is very deserving of this award.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:52 PM
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26. At least I'm glad it wasn't Alex Rodriguez.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 02:58 PM
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28. His achievement is incredible! BTW, HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!!1!!
:woohoo:

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:29 PM
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39. Not that Jimmy Johnson, ding-dong!
:P
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oldlib Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:00 PM
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29. One way circle?
I've always thought, that to make NASCAR more interesting, they should have half the drivers drive in one direction and the other half drive in the opposite direction. This would make the race look more like the freeways that we drive daily.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:00 PM
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30. tell you what sport..
this ain't like driving down to the grocery. why don't you see how you hold up driving for 3.5 hours in a 120 degree cockpit at 180+ MPH. hell, i'd like to see how you'd do on the simulators. of course, i already know you'd be riding the wall like a drunk.
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grahampuba Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:04 PM
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32. all "athletes' are over rated imo.
basketball,.. meh.
football.. little more skill.
soccer,.. theres some endurance for you..

but the most under rated of them all..

big mountain snowboarders and surfers.



if you want to see some others, check out 'Terje' 'First Descent'

slightly short of superhuman.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:25 PM
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57. Agreed. Except of course Roger Federer. He really is supernatural.
And the proper Athlete of the Year. Actually, of all time is more like it.
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CoffinEd Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:10 PM
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34. Sorely Disappointed!
I thought the AP would award the honor to a bocce ball player. Beats golf in my opinion. B-)
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:21 PM
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38. Or Bocce's weird cousins, Curling and Feather Bowling
Some sports just go better with beer.

:hi:
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CoffinEd Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:00 PM
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51. There you go!
And I'll drink to that! :toast:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:15 PM
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35. Bowling is the sport of rulers.


Bowling, and Demolition Derby.

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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:42 PM
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40. The best NASCAR driver...
... probably couldn't even qualify for a Formula 1 race.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:09 PM
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44. How's Juan Pablo Montoya Doing?
Other than winning an outright F1 championship he is one of the most accomplished drivers in all of motorsports. How come in four seasons running NASCAR he only has one win? How many open wheel drivers claimed an IROC title?

Jay

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:45 PM
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41. Hey.
Some people can't manage to drive it out of driveway without crashing it into a fire hydrant, so what are you complaining about?
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:48 PM
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47. DUzy!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:20 PM
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56. Best Post Ever
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:50 PM
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42. Delete. Redundant. n/t
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 03:51 PM by Orsino
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:04 PM
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43. My daughter was laughed at in high school when asked what sport she played and she replied..
I dance. So I guess if all the requirements from above are what makes an athlete, she was most definitely right.
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npk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:14 PM
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45. Most sports are based on simple concepts
Shooting a ball into a basket isn't exactly profound. Neither is hitting a golf ball, running or catching a football. So a NASCAR driver should be no different than any other athlete as far as awards go. It is a dangerous sport and a lot of concentration goes into driving around those ovals over and over again. And just for the record, not all NASCAR tracks are circles. There are some road courses on the schedule as well.
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ohheckyeah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:18 PM
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46. Websters defines an athlete as
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina

Yes, Jimmy Johnson is an athlete.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:52 PM
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48. I dare you to try driving 500 miles in 3 hours in a 110+ degree cage. I double-dare you. n/t
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:59 PM
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63. I would freaking LOVE to take that dare!!
I'm seriously considering getting a 4-point harness for my car and trying amateur autocross. Whee!!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 04:53 PM
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49. So try it.
And then let us know how many races you win. Good Luck! :hi:
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:02 PM
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52. Get a life.
I'm not a fan of NASCAR, and I'm even less a fan of Johnson, but his run is remarkable, and auto racing is a sport, whether you like it or not.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:04 PM
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53. some people just throw balls around....and some just run.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:06 PM
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54. With some posts...
... it's impossible to tell if the poster is stupid or just ignorant.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:40 PM
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59. Aw, and I was rooting for Michael Vick. After all, he said he was sorry.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 10:03 PM
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65. One thing I like about NASCAR is that it started with bootleggers.
Nowadays it just has no appeal for me.

But I would enjoy a dirt track race.
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