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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:18 PM
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GOP's latest God guru says gays are "possessed by demons."
"What a maroon!" -Bugs Bunny

Meet the Republican Party's new spiritual guru, Lou Engle:


"My son Jesse, he's nineteen years old. God has given him dreams, to go to San Francisco to launch a house of prayer, one block from the Castro District - where the homosexuals boast the dominion of darkness. He's going there with weeping in his heart. With the dream that prayer is stronger than the dominion of that spirit.

...He said to me, "dad," he said, "as long as I'm there I don't think the Lord will judge San Francisco." ...

He's nineteen years old. He's starting to cast out homosexual spirits out of our new converts. It's scary as hell. The whole thing's scary. But fathers are to send their sons into the darkest places."

As the Rachel Maddow Show has recently showcased, on December 16th the Family Research Council sponsored a "Prayercast" event, attended by GOP luminaries including Senators Jim DeMint and Sam Brownback, and House Representatives Michelle Bachmann and Randy Forbes. But FRC head Tony Perkins did not lead the prayer event. That honor fell to Lou Engle, Founder of TheCall. Besides leading the capstone stadium rally for pro-Proposition 8, antigay marriage organizers last November 1, 2008 at San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium, Lou Engle could also be found, at a special ceremony at a Virginia Beach megachurch last summer, anointing and blessing GOP presidential hopefuls Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/12/19/115855/89/Front_Page/GOP_s_New_Prayer_Guru_Says_Gays_Possessed_By_Demons
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BP2 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:20 PM
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1. They're the ones
who are sick!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:21 PM
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2. fecking dominionists. right wing watch has this video
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:22 PM
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3. Oh, FFS. What arrogance. "As long as *I'M* there, I don't think the Lord will judge."
WTF is wrong with these people?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:25 PM
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4. Ignorance and arrogance, what a mixture
Lou Engle had better be careful about letting his son go to San Francisco. Getting to know real, live gay men and women, instead of indulging his stereotype of them, could be lethal for his bigotry.

And lookie there! Catholic Newt Gingrich is rubbing elbows with the fundagelicals. I wonder if anyone will have the bad taste to ask him about that the next time they invite him on the teevee to gas on about things he doesn't know about.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:25 PM
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5. only when the sex is especially hot

otherwise, we hide out in bathroom stalls, parading as Republicans with morals
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:26 PM
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6. Hey Pops...your son Jesse is gay!
This church scam is a great beard.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:27 PM
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7. Daemons that have impeccable taste and great personalities! n/t
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:32 PM
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8. Methinks Jesse is going to San Francisco to, um, well, let me see
how can I say this...well, one thing he is NOT going to be doing is casting out demons.

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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:30 PM
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9. religious leaders of this sort like Palin's exorcist Muthee believe demons are everywhere
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 08:31 PM by Shallah Kali
click through to get the hotlinks to information cited

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/11/23/2349/5841/Front_Page/Generational_Curses_Deliverance_Centers_and_the_Kingdom_Health_Care_System

Curses and Witchcraft Cause STDs, Poverty

Larry Huch is founder of the Texas megachurch DFW New Beginnings and a former director of John Hagee's Christians United for Israel. In his book 10 Curses that Block the Blessing, Huch explains breaking curses from witches by relating the story of a couple he had advised. The young mother had a sexually transmitted disease that she acquired shortly after her marriage, and was passed on to her infant. After a few questions, Huch informs the couple that the STD was a curse put on the young woman by her grandmother at the couple's wedding. Huch then claims to have removed the curse and cured both mother and baby. This was one account in a chapter titled "Witchcraft - It's More Common Than You Think." Read more on Huch's view of curses at the Apostolic and Prophetic magazine The Voice Magazine.

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Alaskan Apostle Mary Glazier is a member of the inner circle of prophets or Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (ACPE) and is credited with bringing the New Apostolic movement and spiritual warfare networks to Alaska, long before the movement even had a name. At a 2008 national event she described the process of spiritual warfare against a "strongman," in this case "liberal candidates" running for governor. She also described the process through which geographic territory is to be taken for the church. "God is preparing to displace the ones whose sin is rising, so that then they tip over and the church goes in - one is removed, and the church moves in and takes the territory." Link to transcript. In the same speech she referred to Sarah Palin's participation in Glazier's spiritual warfare network, beginning when Palin was twenty-four years old. Charisma magazine reported after the presidential election that Glazier and Palin were also in contact during the campaign.

Generational Curses

Along with healing centers, removal of generational curses is becoming another national industry. Numerous personal problems are being attributed to the sin of ancestors. For example, the involvement of a grandparent or great-grandparent who was a Freemason can supposedly causes many types of physical and mental problems for their descendants. There are even separate prayers available to remove such curses based on the degree of Freemasonry of the ancestor.

Ted Haggard, former president of the National Association of Evangelicals, co-founded the World Prayer Center with C. Peter Wagner, Convening Apostle of the ICA. Haggard was instrumental in the founding of the New Apostolic Reformation, although his role received so little publicity that it might be considered Haggard's "other secret." Haggard was a groundbreaker in spiritual mapping and demon-busting activities. In his book The Live Giving Church (foreword by Wagner), Haggard writes about his vision of demons attaching themselves to babies. These demons included drugs, immorality, masturbation, pornography, witchcraft and more. If the parents were not born again Christians, Haggard claimed demons would enter the bodies of the infants and integrate into their personalities.

Those who specialize in the removal of generational curses make it clear that they are not talking about character weaknesses, but about demonic control over a person due to the sins of their ancestors, or even an attack on their ancestors, which allowed demons to enter the family line. They claim that these demons can jump from person to person in the family.

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The report "Spiritual Mapping and Spiritual Warfare: Muthee and the Transformations Franchise" can be downloaded in pdf format at this link and is also archived in the Talk2action.org special focus sidebar box titled "Sarah Palin and the New Apostolic Reformation." The closing pages of this 36 page report list some of the "Transformations" entities and their involvement in faith-based programming, homeland security and more. (The report was written in 2008 and a few of the links are no longer active.) The name "Muthee" in the title of the report refers to the Kenyan pastor who anointed Sarah Palin at Wasilla Assembly of God, and who was also one of the stars of The Transformations I and The Quickening, the third movie in The Transformations series, along with Jack Hayford, George Barna, Harold Caballeros and others.
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