Would Senator Kennedy vote for this bill?

[rbrnmw]

I doubt he would, What do you think?

[Neecy]

1. I don't know

But I think he would have fought the administration on several fronts in order to get a better Bill. And he might well have won.

[babylonsister]

I think he would have. Read what his wife has to say...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=73141&mesg_id=73141

[jaxx]

3. Thanks for bringing that letter back up.

People forget just how good Teddy was at the art of compromise. That's how he got things done.

[goclark]

34. He was a master at the Art of Compromise

I respected him so much.

[rbrnmw]

6. I have read that

I disagree with Mrs. Kennedy I don't think the mandate would have set well with Teddy he also was a champion of the poor.

[babylonsister]

10. You asked a question: I think Mrs. Kennedy answered it eloquently,

whether you agree or not with her.

Sen. Kennedy would have been fighting and would have continued to fight for a better bill, but I imagine he would have voted for it; as someone else mentioned, he was a pragmatist.

[madokie]

2. nope

[cali]

7. who to believe, you or his wife? that was easy.

[madokie]

24. What're you trying to say Cali

:eyes:

[cali]

26. gee, I thought that was obvious. Kennedy's widow says he would

have voted for it. You say he wouldn't have. I think it's pretty clear who knew him better.

[madokie]

27. parden me, my bad

peace
wishing you and yours some great holidays:hi:

[walldude]

31. True, but does she know they are going to kill his SCHIP?

He may have had some second thoughts...

[tomm2thumbs]

4. Am I nuts, or it is possible that all of these people are dumb enough to not

tweak this after the bill passes with reconciliation - I honestly can't picture that they wouldn't do it, simply by the fact that it would be suicide NOT to - but they can't ever say it or let on.


'am I nuts' is rhetorical, no need to confirm if I am - I know that already

[HuckleB]

19. You're spot on, probably.

[madokie]

28. I always hesitate to use that phrase

knowing full well what I will be reading next.

[tomm2thumbs]

32. lesson learned thnx

is there a rhetorical smiley? like the sarcasm one?

[MineralMan]

5. I think he probably would have, if this was all that could get

passed. Ted Kennedy was an idealist in principle, but a pragmatist when it came down to it. He would not have voted no on a bill that included some aspects of what he wanted, but did not include some others. If the compromise was the only thing that could pass, he'd vote for it, then continue to work for something closer to his idea.

He did this many times. It is one of the reasons he was such a great Senator. He did many things to cause change. Incremental change, at times, but change.

So, yes, I think he would be voting Yes today.

[xchrom]

8. I loved the lion

But I am my only touchstone for what I think is right.
Great people are great people and they're fascinating --but I
depend on my own compass.

[WI_DEM]

9. Of course he would have. He was a pragmatic democrat

and he wanted to push things forward and he wouldn't have let Obama down.

[ncteechur]

11. Teddy Kennedy would absolutely vote for this because he understood how the legislative process works

[AndyA]

12. I think he would vote for it, just to open the door to reform.

And the second it passed, he'd begin working to make it better. He would remove things that weren't good, and replace them with better things.

He would be looking at the big picture down the road.

It's just that now he's gone, who can we depend on to do this in his place?

[Tippy]

13. I know that he would have voted for it.......

[Tippy]

15. Republicans ...making this bill about abolishing abortion.......

Tom Cobern...it calling it an abortion bill...Boy are the Republicans pissed....

[backscatter712]

14. Vicky Kennedy just piped in on this topic:

I believe her answer is yes, he would.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/18/AR2009121803506.html

[SmileyRose]

30. She's the only one who MIGHT know.

But those of us who are married a long time know our spouses still surprise us every day.

IMHO there's no way for anyone to know what Ted Kennedy would have done.

[jonnyblitz]

16. he co-sponsored Bush's gawd awful "no child left behind' so

YEAH i can easily picture him supporting other bullshit like this health care bill.

[HuckleB]

17. After his experience in the '70s, I definitely think he would.

[berni_mccoy]

18. The man is dead, let him rest in peace. His contributions to this debate are his legacy.

Let him at least have that.

[bevoette]

20. yes. he lived in reality. (nm)

[Hamlette]

21. No one on this board would have voted for Social Security.

as originally passed, it covered well to do white people only. Any job dominated by minorities or poor people was not covered.

[graywarrior]

22. Yes, and then he'd immediately start to work on improving it

He wasn't an emotional, irrational screaming mimi.

[Tippy]

23. What Vickie Kennedy said

"The bill before the Senate, while imperfect, would achieve many of the goals Ted fought for during the 40 years he championed access to quality, affordable health care for all Americans. If this bill passes:

-- Insurance protections like the ones Ted fought for his entire life would become law."

[UTUSN]

25. Yes. n/t

[Umbral]

29. As the chief Democratic proponent of NCLB, there is little doubt about the answer. nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

33. Hmm... an imperfect framework that allows things to be improved over time...

...vs. abject failure and continuing to do what we've been doing.

I'm going to go out on a really, really long limb here and say, "Of course he would have fucking voted for it. Are you fucking insane?"

[Skinner]

35. At the moment, it appears that every Democrat in the US Senate is going to vote for it.

That includes Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold, Sherrod Brown, and everyone else.

So, yes, I think it is fair to conclude that Ted Kennedy would vote for the bill.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

36. I don't know. He also did advocate NCLB.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

37. NO. This would have turned out differently.

He didn't work his entire political life for a POS bill like this.

[Bucky]

38. Would Jay Rockefeller have voted for this bill? Would Russel Feingold? Would Tom Harkin?

Of course Teddy would have. Bobby might not, but Ted Kennedy would go along with the pragmatic majority. He was inside the beltway, which is not always a bad thing. Today it is, but it's not always.

[rbrnmw]

40. you have a point

Bobby was more adversarial than Teddy

[EFerrari]

39. Days like today I really miss Lyndon Johnson.

[Sebastian Doyle]

41. Teddy would have never let the bill get in such a shitty condition to begin with.

And for the whores to be exploiting his widow to sell this piece of shit is beyond disgusting. :puke: