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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:46 PM
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You just gotta love the president, eh?
Obama:

"I support this effort, especially since it's aimed at increasing choice and competition and lowering cost," Obama said at a health-care event near the White House, attended by several Senate President Obama praised Senate Democrats. "So I want to thank all of you for sticking with it, for all those late nights, all the long weekends that you guys have put in. With so much at stake, this is well worth all of our efforts."

The response Wednesday to the compromise plan was generally positive among Democrats. But some lawmakers are raising concerns about a Medicare buy-in program for individuals age 55 and older. That proposal aims to provide an affordable coverage option for low-income older adults, but hospital and doctor groups have warned that they could be big losers, since Medicare pays much lower rates than does private insurers.

Senate Democrats are scheduled to hold a special caucus late Wednesday afternoon to discuss the status of their $848 billion health care bill. Senior Democratic aides said Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) was preparing to send a "manager's amendment" to the Congressional Budget Office for a cost analysis as early as Wednesday night. The package would wrap together all the perks, favors and other loose ends that must be resolved in Reid's quest to secure 60 votes for final passage.

The compromise came together Tuesday night as Democratic Senate negotiators struck a tentative agreement to drop the controversial government-run insurance plan from the bill, hoping that would remove a last major roadblock standing in the way of a final vote in the chamber."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44 /

ME:
He lied to us, again.

YOU?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:49 PM
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1. Shut up and get in line you are a hater.
How dare you question HIM??? for christ sake you should be banned from DU!!! Dammit the rules say that you must obey to post here!!!.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:01 PM
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7. lol
The OP is going to elect Palin! H8'er! TOMBSTONE THIS POSTER. NOW.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:53 PM
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2. Obama is clearly playing 3-D Chinese Checkers here
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:55 PM
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4. soon, soon, he will reveal his secret plan
and we will wail in shame for having doubted him
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:12 PM
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14. It's a real Double-Secret Probation Plan, like the EVil Lib'rul Media
who's plan is so diabolical, they consitently implement their evil Lib'rul Agenda by laundering every Rushpublican Lie and stifling any truth that might make the Rushpublicans looks bad.

Tricky!
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:54 PM
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3. yes, here I go again - quoting what Obama says
oh the humanity - and I caught your sarcasm friend - from now on, I am a PROUD FORTY PERCENTER!
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:55 PM
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5. No doubt about it, if this passes in current form: we were lied to.
By Obama.

No new taxes (but we'll force you to pay several hundred a month for health care).

Thanks a lot. That should help already struggling Americans. :eyes:
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:03 PM
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9. Andy?
just look at what the president said? he loves this shit canning of the public option.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:27 PM
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15. How did you think it would be paid for? The public option was always going to
be paid for with premiums, including subsidized-premiums for lower income people. This was true for Clinton's and Edward's plans, too.

You can't add provide regular health care to tens of millions of people who have been mostly going without, except by incurring significant costs that have to be paid for in some way. Obama never lied about that.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:39 PM
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18. Without competition, there are no cost controls. This bill does little to provide competition in the
industry, which means premiums will be too high.

Insurance companies don't have to compete with one another, because they are the only industry not bound to do so.

Many Americans cannot afford another mandatory expense forced upon them. They are BROKE. Do the math.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:52 PM
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32. There is a difference between not agreeing with Obama's plan and pretending
that he lied and said it wouldn't cost anything. He said he wouldn't raise taxes, but he was always open about their being premiums -- and he talked about subsidies, just as the House and Senate are talking about now.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 10:22 PM
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34. Yea, but I didn't expect him to allow the

insurance companies to fuck me whenever they want.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 04:58 PM
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6. I'm curious why everyone doesn't just vote on medicare for all and end this crazy show.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:02 PM
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8. money
corporate money - the only thing that makes sense - they would pick up millions of votes if they did the right thing - so only one other possible reason
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:03 PM
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10. Because that would deprive a lot of rich motherfuckers in the insurance industry
of the ill-gotten gains that Obama and the Dem-controlled Congress are so anxious to give them.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:05 PM
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11. Be a good little democrat and just shut-up.....unless of course you
have lots of cash which would involve Rahm and minions falling over themselves to listen to you.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:08 PM
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12. No I don't. Not at this point.
He was given a gift as an eloquent speaker.
He used it against us and for that I will never forgive him.
Unless of course he begins to act in the interest of the
people who bought and believed in his speechifying.

I am not holding my breath.

BHN
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:09 PM
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13. Please explain the "lie."
Not arguing with you. I just would like clarification of what you're saying. My understanding, and my frustration, is that the president has not taken a strong stand on the public option or anything other than pre-ex conditions and lower costs. What am I missing?
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 05:54 PM
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16. It's been nearly 15 years
since I've seen a doctor. Looks like it is likely to be another 5 to 10 years with this clusterfuck of an idea.

Meaningful healthcare reform is my line in the sand. We have a sitting Dem President who has majorities in both the House and the Senate. If they can't fucking deliver something better than this then they better realize I ain't voting for them next time around. The only difference between a Dem that does not advance and protect my needs and interests and a puke that does likewise is the lies they tell.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:02 PM
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17. Howard Dean: Senate Bill Is 'Real Reform,' A Needed Antidote To GOP Propaganda
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:41 PM
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:42 PM
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20. Now we are reaching
:rofl:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:43 PM
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21. Then explain where he lied.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:45 PM
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22. Breaking out the General Election crazy
Seriously, a case can be made he campaigned on a public option with no mandates. If you want to hold someone to their campaign promises, than yes someone could say this was a lie.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:48 PM
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23. A lie is saying something that isn't true.
Which I'm sure you understand.

Claiming President Obama lied, for example, is an example of a lie.

President Obama would be happy to sign a bill with a strong public option, or even single payer. But President Obama is president, not congress. And congress didn't send him a bill with a strong public option.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:50 PM
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24. I'm sure the champagne corks will go off
Whether it is a good bill or a bad bill at this point. 6 months of worthless debate, tea bagger protests, and lost political capital for other agenda items and this is what the party can come up with, with complete control.

Who needs Republicans when you got friends like this.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:50 PM
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25. He made a promise he couldn't keep, to bring universal health care before end of first term.
Something he doesn't constitutionally have the power to do, and a promise he should not have made.

...snip...

"...Our conscience cannot rest so long as nearly 45 million Americans don't have health insurance and the millions more who do are going bankrupt trying to pay for it. I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premiums by up to $2500 a year. That's not simply a matter of policy or ideology - it's a moral commitment...."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/06/23/a_politics_of_con...

:patriot:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:53 PM
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26. Let me know when he vetoes a universal health care bill.
Because only then would he be a liar.

He shouldn't need a little disclaimer on his speeches to let the voters know that congress passes bills and the president signs them.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:54 PM
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28. Enjoy your picture thread nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:57 PM
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29. Enjoy your Sarah Palin autobiography.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 07:00 PM
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31. That is all you got, really Sarah Palin..lame.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:59 PM
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30. I agree.
I think people need to understand the limitations on the office and I don't mind a little campaign rhetoric.

He might have added something like, "with the help of congress", but he didn't and that's ok.

I worked my ass off to help him get elected and I'm not one bit disappointed about it.

At some point I hope he'll come around to call congress on their unwillingness to get it together.

He did, after all, say "within my first term", not his first year.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 06:54 PM
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27. I hear you. Here, sign the petition:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-09-09 09:59 PM
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33. I'm done with loving him
"lied" ... yes ... again. :-(
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