Backlash against mentally ill?

[undergroundpanther]

I just had this thought All day since the shooting at Va Tech there has been a rather ignorant discussion on TV about mental illness,today another crazed lone gunman kills people at Nasa. How many more crazed loners are gonna be occupying the news ghouls before they find another topic to over hype and stoke the ignorant in denial'public with ? are we witnessing the very beginnings of a scapegoat process? Gays fight back,illegal immigrants cannot fight back without risk. Mentally Ill people when we fight back we are seen as crazy and we must choose our words so very carefully lest we be discounted or seen as monsters by ignorant people frustrated over things in their lives like job loss and credit bills no health insurance,ect.ect.The public is brimming with suppressed frustration and they are being stoked up by the media to fear lone crazed people and perhaps accept a change to the laws on how mentally ill people are treated and incarcerated.

How long until public fear after seeing shooters copycat shooters and more "crazed gunmen on rampages until the public demands all mental patients be micro chipped or implanted with medication implants or forced to be incarcerated just because they look scary or don't act right (as the panicked person defines "right)? Cho didn't go to impatient, should the state force him into a hospital and implant mentally ill people that are scary to the normals with drug implants?

In america pills fix everything .So ez no fuss they knock the scary symptoms away never mind it can feel like a chemical lobotomy to be on some of these drugs and some hurt the body,As long as the nut ids made normal...and the nervous media spooked public feels safe again.. Are nervous and ignorant about mental illness,americans being prepped by this 24 hours a day lone gunman nut killer coverage to accept a lessening of human rights by using the mentally ill and the threat of crazed lone gunmen killing people as the "rationale"? I Gotta ask.

Why do I ask, Because it's personal. I have PSTD and I do not want to be rounded up put on a crazy train sent to the nearest incarceration /asylum camp full of shrinks to mess with my head for'my own good'.Nor do I want a microchip device that will reveal my psych history for anybody with a fucking scanner and track me ,Nor do I want to be TMAP-ED into a pigeonhole by Bush's "new freedom Commission" and forced to take drugs I can't afford and be recommended for shock treatments.

When there is too much talk about how mentally ill people(not any distinctions made between mentally ill or psychopaths or bullies) And the media starts hyping how we are all evil or dangerous and should be controlled or locked up and stripped of rights and forced drugged,I get wary.

[Erika]

1. Don't worry. That would cost money

and all of our money is going to warring.

[undergroundpanther]

2. What if the war funds dry up

Bush still has his new freedom commission and right now alot of teens through schools and other people are being tested by thier general doctors and drugged according to the algorithm invented by drug companies despite the cost of war.. If more money is freed up by the troops coming home and the operation in iraq is taken over by corporate mercenaries this would mean bush would take his fucking nazi asshole out on a scapegoat here. And whom might be the scapegoat? The population most marginalized ,least able to defend itself, the sick and disabled first.

It's already happening..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3205800.stm
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1939446,00.asp
http://www.insurancenetworking.com/protected/article.cfm?articleId=4175&pb=ros
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=65061
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/03/17/verimed-seeks-to-microchip-alzheimer-patients/
Locking up?
http://www.newstatesman.com/200401120015
http://www.fightcps.com/articles/newfreedom-2004.html

[Celeborn Skywalker]

3. I hope not.

This should be a wakeup call that this country needs to better treat our mentally ill, not throw them under a bus. We shall see how this plays out, though.

[undergroundpanther]

4. Check the links in my second reply

I updated the post. It's friggin scary.

[pop goes the weasel]

5. Mental illness was not the problem with the VT massacre

Cho committed several crimes previously. VT, instead of pressing charges, referred him for counseling. If they would have pressed criminal charges, he wouldn't have been able to legally buy the guns. It also would have increased the chances he would have been committed to an in-patient program and his family notified.

[EFerrari]

6. So, you commit him to an in patient program -- IF you can find a bed

and then what? They dump him as soon as they suck up as much money as they can get from the state. He gets no real help, then he's back on the street.

Yes, the mental health system is exactly the problem. Or more closely, WE are the problem because no government system will ever provide good care to people unless WE insist on it.

[silverojo]

8. You're absolutely right

But there's still the issue that mentally ill people (whether suffering from depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or whatever) already must fight a terrible stigma to be accepted in society.

For instance, I'm bipolar, and I've been very open and honest about it. However, now I feel I can't talk about it anymore, for fear that people will freak out and think I'm a potential criminal.

Asians think this massacre will make it more difficult for them, but that's not the case. It's those of us suffering from mental illness who are the losers here.

Back into the closet we go.... :mad:

[EFerrari]

10. Imho, we keep talking, silverojo. Because the real solution here

is something TahitiNut suggested on another thread: preventive mental hygiene for all Americans.

That's it. Enough already. Enough with incarcerating people because we don't do mental health care. Enough with vilifying people we're too negligent to treat with the best un-effing-delivered tech in the world. Enough with telling people to snap out of it. We don't tell people with high blood pressure to just snap out of it.

Let's keep talking. Let's fill some ears.

:hug:

[EFerrari]

7. I don't blame you. The way the media is talking creeps me out

completely.

It's like there's a whole 'nother parallel Univere with no soul, no heart and no brain.

[silverojo]

9. You've expressed my fears, as well.

For instance, my p-doc wants me to go on Zyprexa, instead of just sticking with the Neurontin that's helping me. I already tried Zyprexa, and I began getting a serious condition called "metabolic syndrome", which can lead to diabetes, kidney failure, or even death. By stopping the Zyprexa, thank God, my system is back to normal: cholesterol is perfect, I've lost 40 pounds and am back to healthy weight, etc.

I'll be damned if I'm going to go on it, or any other "atypicals", just because that's the current fad for treating bipolar disorder. They're all horrendously dangerous drugs, and since my mood has been perfectly stable without them, I'm OK.

But what if people could be forced to take these drugs? There are already so many lawsuits over the hideous side effects, and people should be able to decide whether they want to take that risk.

Between this issue, forced cervical cancer vaccinations, and abortion, pretty soon the government won't let anybody have any control over their bodies.

[AZBlue]

11. I do see your point, but I don't know if that will happen.

We need to push for comprehensive mental health care for all - mental health issues range in severity and topics - everything from mild, temporary depression to severe illnesses that prevent a person from functioning on their own. But each of these need attention.

Part of the mental health reforms need to be education for the general public - so that everyone, not just those who have been touched by it, understand that mental illness does not equal criminal behavior, that the term covers a very wide range of symptoms and disorders. General education will also help those who are suffering from a particular disorder but are unaware of it. Education is vital to really make a difference.

I look at this a little like drug addiction or HIV many years ago. They were both misunderstood and many falsehoods circulated as fact. To admit that you were affected was embarrassing and there was little help available. But, as the public became educated, as legislators and public figures stood up and explained that these are not "dirty" problems of only the lowest of life forms and as help and information became more and more readily available, we as a society came to understand and be compassionate to those who suffer from either affliction.