Revolution is not coming - it's already come and gone, and we LOST

[JFN1]

There's a http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7175864">post out there stating that "revolution is coming."

While I agree completely with the OP's heartfelt anger and frustration, I must disagree that a revolution is coming.

The revolution has already come, and gone. The wealthy took this country over after President Kennedy died, and solidified their grip on power starting with Reagan and Bush I, and the Gingrich Congress after that. We've already lost the revolution - and the elite and powerful won.

Think about it. EVERYTHING we do now as a country has but one goal - feeding the rich, the powerful, the corporate. The health care "reform" bill will be nothing more than a draconian shift away from any vestige of free market that remains in the health care field, to be replaced with an enforced corporate health tax. If you think we'll get anything approaching true reform, well, I fear you're just not looking.

The elite, in their revolution, have set things up in such a way that the general apathy Americans have been accused of for decades, has come to fruition. The majority of the population is comfortably enslaved, and fear upsetting their own lives far more than they fear the actions of our government and the government's corporate masters.

You think revolution is yet to come? Okay, I'll bite. How? In what way do we possess the power to even start a revolution? What tools do we have to move the masses out of their comfortable complacency into the awareness such a revolution would require?

We've had illegal wars. Torture. War profiteering. Missing billions. Hypocrites and deluded fools. 200+ people dying EVERY DAY from lack of health care. An economy destroyed from the inside. Death and despair, disease and injustice.

SO WHAT MORE WILL IT TAKE TO START A REVOLUTION AGAINST OUR CORPORATE MASTERS?

After all, everything that has already passed, has not been enough...

So go ahead and vent - its good for the soul. But don't pin your hopes on a revolution by the People, because the wealthy, beat us to it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

1. 'Its all in your mind you know'

Un ....... recommend

[waterscalm]

2. The revolution was a Thud as it landed.

[Occam Bandage]

3. The wealthy were certainly in control before Kennedy was shot. nt

[JFN1]

4. Not really.

It wasn't until Reagan came in and started to undo social programs (like HUD) and regulation, and dramatically lowered the top income tax rates, that the wealthy cemented their control over the government. At least, this is my take on history...

[onenote]

17. yeah really.

Your history seems a bit off. For example, HUD didn't even exist until after JFK was assassinated. The wealthy have had a pretty signficant say in government for a long time.


By the way, the top marginal rates were in the 20-25 percent range in the 1920s. They jumped up to 60 and then 80 percent by 1940, along with a 50x increase in the point at which those higher rates actually kicked in (from around $100,000 to $5,000,000). The top rate peaked at 94 percent for incomes above $200K during WWII,settled in at 91/92 percent above $400K in the 1950s, before beginning to drop during LBJ's presidency (with a cut in the point where the rates kick in from $400K to $200K). It was stable at aroun 70 through the 70s and then took another nosedive during reagan, and declined further during Bush I. Picked up again during Clinton. Hasn't really changed that much since.

[JFN1]

18. True.

But it was Reagan that took the HUD budget from $16 billion to, what? 1% of that? I went to Europe in the service in the early 80's. When I left, there was no homeless problem. I came back on leave in 1985, and the homeless problem was everywhere - 2 million without homes.

This is part of the dismantling of our social net that Reagan undertook during his Presidency. He was assisted in this, in no small way, by our own Democratic party.

The same is true of government regulation during the Reagan era. Big government spending on defense (to win the cold war) took us into the era of deficit spending, and the corporations followed suit, preying on Americans with predatory efficiency.

Any way you slice it, control of the government by the wealthy was cemented under Reagan and Bush, and fully declared by the Gingrich Congress. Junior merely put the icing on the cake, getting us into an endless war with no exit in site, ensuring the military-industrial complex got the lion's share of our GDP in their pockets for years and years, at the exclusive expense of the middle class and the poor.

[anonymous171]

6. They were still screwing around in government, yes

But they hadn't yet gained full control over its functions.

[FormerDittoHead]

5. You have nailed it, and I agree with you...

>EVERYTHING we do now as a country has but one goal - feeding the rich, the powerful, the corporate.

Hammer meets nail.

I should point out that EVERYTHING the Republicans do support this - I mean ANYTHING that does NOT support the rich is ejected by the party. I challenge any one of them to name any Republican position which manages to, even indirectly, cost the rich more, or increase their risk, than the middle class.

I wouldn't be so depressed, IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DIDN'T SUPPORT THE SAME DAMN THINGS!

The ONLY thing, it seems, that the Democratic Party is even slightly willing to stick its neck out about are INDIVIDUAL / minority rights. The Republicans are only too eager to fight us over ANYTHING (witness the recent bill about dealing with rape for military contractors) and we end up fighting over things we REALLY SHOULDN'T be fighting over (equal rights, woman's medical rights, etc).

So we go round and round spinning our wheels just to get what we should get WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO ASK (excuse me, why should we have to contribute money to politicians to get single payer/public option when IT'S THE RIGHT TO DO!!??

So don't ask me to care, because as JFN1 points out - the revolution happened already, when we started making celebrities out of wealthy people rather than celebrating the poor as we were doing...

[arcadian]

7. I think you really have to examine these key events for context.

The 1929 stock market crash -> FDR's reform programs -> The Miltary Industrial Complex's take over after WWII -> Kennedy Assassination.

[glitch]

8. There is no natural limit on revolutions.

It's not a finite resource. :evilgrin:

[JFN1]

9. True.

But revolutions are not born simply out of hope - there is much more to it than wishful thinking. Revolutions - even doomed ones - depend upon INFORMATION to start and flourish.

Where do the masses get their information? From the Internet? From TV? Radio? Newspapers and magazines?

And who is it that controls the information filtered out to the mass media? The government? Corporations? The newsmakers themselves? Who?

Revolutions are not finite - but a populace must have the means for revolt, and the will.

Americans, en masse, have neither.

[JFN1]

10. Don't forget Junior...

Remember how the 2000 election was awarded to Bush, the wealthy's best friend ever. Bush was GIVEN the Presidency by the Supreme Court, in a decision the Supremes themselves said could never be used again as a precedent. It was totally unConstitutional, as were many of Bush's actions while in office. Yet he was never impeached, or prosecuted, per our OWN LAWS.

[Waiting For Everyman]

11. I couldn't agree more.

When the elites got away with killing a President, scott-free, they knew they'd get away with anything else they wanted to do, from there. And all thinking people knew too that's exactly what it meant, all too clearly, as soon as it happened.

And what's further salt in the wound now is... today, the Warren Report is actually believed (that amazes me!), and Nixon has been remade into a "liberal". Pathetic. Even this long AFTER the revolution (or coup d'etat), people STILL don't get it.

That feels pretty hopeless - just that, in itself.

And to top it off... after blowing up our economy and the world's just a year ago, Conservative policies are STILL calling the shots (thanks to Blue Dogs), instead of being discredited forevermore. WTF?

And it all goes back to "that day in Dallas". I agree, it's been war on our rights and quality of life (that we had then), ever since. One continuous progression downward. How on earth is that not obvious? At least to all those who were old enough to witness all these events for themselves? At least you'd think all Dems would get it?

And to this day... even if everybody alive now DID get all of that... only the tip of the iceberg of what was done, has ever come out in the open to be reported. The public has only seen a small bit of what went down. It's much, much worse than the worst that we've seen yet.

We didn't take back our country after the '63 coup d'etat. (The youth tried, but the "Greatest Generation" - and vets - turned on us instead of standing with us.) The counter-coup remains to be done. And until we do, somehow, it will be "more of the same". Only increasingly worse all the time, as we've seen.

And it's accelerating.

I'm an optimistic person by nature. I live that way no matter what. But our reality is our reality, and that doesn't make it easy to live optimistically, hoping for the best anyway.

We had three national leaders gunned down in succession (JFK, MLK, RFK), and all of them were just the work of incompetent "loner nut-cases"? Come on! We now know that "manchurian assassins" were being programmed then - and by remote control wave technology. But of course, none of the working experiments were ever "tried out", right? Wave technology turns up in much of the background of this. We're "nuke weary" we're so familiar with them, but what was the public ever told about Directed Energy Weapons? Add 911 now, we're arguing about the war(s) we're in but NOT the initial reason for starting them... again, accepting a "commission report whitewash" of it. (Anybody ever hear of the "Hutchison Effect"?)

Since 1963, we never get justice. No mass-level criminals are ever stopped. On the contrary, we accept mass-level crime "as a given". It's a total corruption and perversion of our law since 1963 - what we're living with, and under, today. That couldn't be clearer. Yet every bit of it is "debated" as if it was debatable, not only by the elites but even by us "little people" ourselves. And it goes on, just like a machine.


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Just some interesting things I stumbled across by accident lately, not even looking for it... seems to me, that "free energy" is both being used AGAINST us, and being withheld FROM our own use of it. Paraphrasing The Church Lady - who could it be for? could it be... the energy companies??? (And of course, their other mega-wealth corporate playmates.) Nahhh.. we don't believe in CT's. They would never do that sort of thing, would they now? Of course not. :sarcasm:

Ambrose Lane radio show with Dr. Judy Wood, Andrew Johnson, & John Hutchison (911 and the Hutchison Effect)
Part 1
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1570615667754851772#
Part 2
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1570615667754851772#docid=-2169345568485232896

Anomalies at the WTC & the Hutchison Effect
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

Andrew Johnson on WTC & Hutchison Effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85UAFYo0GmI

911 Movement, Free Energy Suppression, & the Global Elite
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182&Itemid=60

Torsion Fields
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=170


http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/JohnHutchison/index.html

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Organizations/Intalek/GravitationalMassFluctuations/index.html#GMF_Hutchison_Effect_Explained

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GVbfON1mls&feature=related

[JFN1]

12. Anything is possible when the law no longer counts for those in power.

We ceased to be a country that followed the rule of law long ago...and as another poster so aptly put it a few days ago, we are a "corrupt and criminal shell" of a country.

[Javaman]

13. Like I keep saying, for gas to go $5+ per gallon.

Right now, other than the poor folks that have lost jobs, the majority of americans have yet to feel anything directly from this mess.

we all keep lying to ourselves just so the apple cart won't become upset. So what then needs to happen is the apple cart needs to break down without anyones causing it.

aka $5+ a gallon.

People at first will be pissed in general, then be pissed at one another, then finally, if the government hasn't put on some sort of bandade by that point, they will be pissed at the government.

Like I wrote once before, people didn't scream about the patriot act and the whole sale destruction of our rights, but dang nabbit, they will be pissed if they can't drive their boat to and from the market 3 blocks away.

[dionysus]

14. um, the wealthy have had too much influence since the invention of...money.

would you rather be a real serf from thousands of years ago?

[madokie]

15. The election sham of 2000 was a coup

simple as that

[Major Hogwash]

16. We must evolve first.

From thinking that war settles any foreign problems with other countries.

Until the cowboy attitude that Bush displayed while he was in the White House - "we're going to get him dead or alive" - is viewed as a stupid response to a serious international problem, we can not evolve much beyond that.

Instead of invading Afghanistan after 9/11 to get Osama, we should have joined the ICC and asked our allies in the UN to help us arrest him and his henchmen.

[AlphaCentauri]

23. We are evolving but just to adapt to what ever rules are giving to us n/t

[tom_paine]

19. K&R for the saddest of truths

[ThomThom]

20. The only way is a complete break down of everything

including the environment before anything significant will change the best we can hope for is a few small victories that are really meaningless.

[amborin]

21. pls read C. Wright Mills: "The Power Elite" n/t

[rateyes]

22. Well, I was the OP in question, and I must say that after reading

some of the responses, and this post that you may be right, as far as revolution is concerned.

Maybe, instead, it will be civil war, followed by death of the nation.

[sendero]

24. You are correct...

... but the fat lady has not yet sung.

The crushing depression that we are just now entering is going to finally wake many Americans out of their American Idol stupor. It is hard to be complacent when you cannot feed yourself.

I have given up on our government but not on Americans. Once the sleeping giant is awakened I would not want to be a banker or a politician.

[G_j]

25. that wasn't really a revolution, but more a Borg like assimilation

whatever,
a "revolution" defies present day circumstances. There is no healthy revolution on the horizon, beyond individuals just waking up,
not an easy task, being pitted against economic hardships and media BS.

When enough individuals have a revolution of their own, then, perhaps, something better.