Oh yippie, CNN gave Op-Ed space to the guy who rubbed shit all over himself to avoid Viet Nam.

[trumad]

Yeah--- all you gun rights activists here on DU---- your brother speaks.

By Ted Nugent
Special to CNN

Editor's note: Rock guitarist Ted Nugent has sold more than 30 million albums. He's also a gun rights activist and serves on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association. His program, "Ted Nugent Spirit of the Wild," can be seen on the Outdoor Channel.

Read an opposing take on gun control from journalist Tom Plate: Let's lay down our right to bear arms

WACO, Texas (CNN) -- Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.

Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/commentary.nugent/index.html

[demnan]

1. Here's his brother-in-arms

[mike_c]

4. instant bumber sticker classic-- that one needs to be pasted all over America....

:thumbsup:

[BlooInBloo]

6. Do we know whether or not he was *actually* a member?

[trumad]

9. The funny thing about the Op-Ed is

he thinks that if everyone carried a gun, Cho would have been shot on site.

Now---imagine that concert in the pic of Ted, and imagine some good-old drunk guy at the concert, to drunk to realize that Ted's not really going to shoot that rifle---and imagine said drunk good old boy taking out his gun and shooting Ted---

[BOSSHOG]

11. Even if cho were shot after he fired once

other armed students would begin shooting at each other not knowing who the bad guy was. The OK Corral if you will, exactly what the NRA wants despite their slick talking points and campaigns about safety.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. Ask any cop.

If he is somewhere and a perp has a gun drawn on him, has the drop, so to speak, will he move to clear leather and take the perp out?

Cops I know say no. They want to go home that night.

The problem is that all of Theo's shit is all fantasy. Trust me, he has never been in a situation where it's either him or someone else.

[lligrd]

14. I Imagine Everyone Would Get "A's"

if all students were armed. Would you give an armed student an "F"?

[w4rma]

2. Trumad, what additional gun control law would have prevented the mass murder at VT?

If one exists, we should pass it. But, the vast majority of the stuff that the Brady Campaign wants done wouldn't have affected the mass murder one way or another.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. Don't know about any laws...

But if I was still hunting and shooting, I sure wouldn't want a chooch like Theo the Molester speaking for me.

And that's quite the race downhill that CNN is running.

[lligrd]

3. What Is The Story On Him Avoiding Nam?

I never heard about it. Is that true?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. Yeah, it's true.

And I have, in the past, heard Theo, in speaking about his taste in females, say: "Get 'em before they can dial more than seven numbers".

The parade of females into his dressing room, in the past, when he was a big arena act, looked like a field trip from a day care. But with more makeup.

[Orrex]

16. Huh?

"Get 'em before they can dial more than seven numbers".

WTF does that even mean?!?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

19. Young.

Very young.

[Orrex]

23. Okay....

First, that's sick.

Second, it still doesn't make any sense.

Is that what passes for wit among chickenhawk draft dodgers?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

24. Apparently.

You have to understand: Theo is one of the most socially inept individuals on the planet. A real idiot. It really comes across when you are around him. He's just a real mess.

[trumad]

17. yep

He has the rage, but he doesn't have the war record. At 18, he was called up to serve in Vietnam. "In 1977 you gave an interview to High Times where you claimed you defecated in your clothes to avoid the draft."

("I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up.")

"I never shit my pants to get out of the draft," says Nugent, good-naturedly.

"You also told them you took crystal meth before the medical - as a result of which, and I quote: 'I got this big juicy 4F.'"

"Unbelievable. Meth," he replies, in a tone of deep sarcasm. "Yes, that's my drug of choice. You've got to realise that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up. I never did crystal meth. And I never pooped my pants."

"But you did dodge the draft." "I had a 1Y . I enrolled at Oakland Community College."

"You said then that you wanted 'to teach the stupid bastards in the military a lesson'. I'd have thought you'd have loved the army. Guns. Travel. Danger." "Back then, I didn't even understand what World War II was."

"So basically," - I admit that I have, unaccountably, started to speak Nugent - "you didn't want to get your Michigan ass blown off in Vietnam." "Correct. I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam."
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/features/article571538.ece

[mrdmk]

22. Yes, unfortunately it is!

<snip>
During the private inaugural party at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in 2000, President George W Bush glanced across the room and recognised a man who - by his own account - has urinated on a nun, soiled his trousers for a week in order to avoid the draft, and been detained on a charge of indecent exposure, after experiencing difficulties with his loincloth in Little Rock, Arkansas. The President confronted him as a matter of urgency.
<end of snip>

link: http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/features/article571538.ece


Side note: I was at a rock concert back in the 80's when they were interviewing Mr. Nugent backstage. At the time, I must admit, I really did not like Mr. Nugent's music nor is outspoken views on the world. But, when other people around started to listen to the interview (they had no idea it was Ted), people started asking out loud, "Who is this asshole?". People where very turned-off as to what he was saying to the point of booing.

[Straight Shooter]

5. Ted Nugent, limelight whore. n/t

[BOSSHOG]

8. Ole ted's a real badass huh?

Likes to play with guns and kick ass. One just has to wonder why he never joined the Army during Vietnam. Could it be because he is pencil dicked war mongering chickenshit cowardly bush supporting asshole? Maybe someone can help me out.

[gaspee]

15. I think you nailed it

I have nothing but contempt for war mongers who avoided the draft.

People like Clinton, who were opposed to the war, I don't have a problem with their actions, but people like Cheney, bushieboy, Limpballs, Nugent and a host of others, they make me literally ill.

My biological father was drafted in 1968. (I was born in 69) and was sent to Vietnam. he didn't agree with the war, but for a working class poor kid, you get called, you go (or hightail it to Canada, which he should have done, his mother was born there.)

He came home in 1970 minus a leg, with a really bad case of PTSD and as a real grade-A asshole (go figure.) The P's divorced in 1971. After some nice domestic violence and some alcholism and drug abuse for good measure.

Who the fuck are these assholes who had the money and connections to avoid a draft waxing poetic about other people's morals, courage, etc.

I hold them in about the greatest contempt I can hold a human being.

[BOSSHOG]

20. I hear ya teammate

I did 24 years in uniform and the contempt I have for these unamerican trash humanoids is not measureable. War is Hell and they do not have one iota of that clue.

[trumad]

29. Here's something that will get your blood boling Boss....

TED NUGENT insists he has paid his dues for avoiding the draft to fight in Vietnam - he spent "a couple of weeks ready to rock" with a giant machine gun in Afghanistan two years ago (04). The Republican rocker feels awful about avoiding the army in the late 1960s and early 1970s, but he believes he has more than made up for it. He says, "Do I feel guilt and embarrassment? Yes. "I wish I'd understood how important America's fight against our enemies was. "But did I go to Fallujah two years ago? Damn right I did. "And was I in Afghanistan, manning a 50-calibre machine gun in a Chinook, ready to rock? Yes. "Was I there for years? No, a couple of weeks. But I am not a coward."

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/nugent%20ive%20made%20up%20for%20missing%20vietnam_31_05_2006

[BOSSHOG]

31. I have similar thoughts

Don't tell me you are a christian, let me figure it out all for myself. The same applies to don't tell me you are not a coward. I have no doubt I'd have the prick crying like a baby and I wouldn't even need a weapon. He's pathetic and sad and disgusting. However, he's a great spokesman for the conservative movement in our country.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

18. As one groupie told me, back when Theo was big:

"Ted's wango don't tango"

And she would have known.

[hobbit709]

21. He didn't get the crap beat out of him enough

Back in the early 70's at Armadillo World Headquarters. The bastard took offense at the food catered backstage and took a dump in the pot. One of our security guys caught him-didn't know who he was-and proceeded to beat the crap out of him. He was barely able to play that night. After the show the whole staff said we don't ever want him to play here again. and he never got booked at the "Dillo" again.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

25. I might add...

That having eaten the food at the late, lamented 'Dillo more than once, that once again we find a fine example of Theo being a complete chooch.

The food at the "Dillo was just fine, and sometimes brilliant.

[lligrd]

26. Ugh. I Definitetly Don't Want Anymore Info On Nugent

And to think I once liked his music.

[MADem]

12. No fool like an old fool... NT

[EstimatedProphet]

27. Ted Nugent is NOT my brother

Just because I own guns doesn't mean I am an out-of-control nutcase like Ted Nugent.

[trumad]

28. I bethca though that most NRA heros love the guy.

[EstimatedProphet]

30. Maybe so, but gun rights supporters and NRA are far from the same thing

I will never join the NRA, because their mission has become polarize the country and politicize everything they touch, and I'm far from the only person who believes that.