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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:06 AM
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If I see a "Psalm 109:8" bumper sticker can I turn them in?
for threatening the President?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:07 AM
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1. That's what I'm wondering.
Take a photo of their license plate and send it to the FBI?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:07 AM
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2. I would.
Gladly
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:07 AM
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3. um...why? n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:13 AM
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7. they want the president----it`s the rest of the verse
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:19 AM
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13. it says to make his days short
it doesn't say anything about doing violence on anyone? overreact much? as if someone would put a threat to the physical person of the president on their car...

sP
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:25 AM
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15. remember it is the next line that wishes his wife a widow and his children
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:25 AM by rurallib
fatherless. Looks like a threat to me. It specifically states "Pray for Obama."
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:28 AM
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16. i understand that and there ARE a FEW people
who will read the next verse or previous to put in context. However, the people that are likely to slap that on a bumper (or teddy bear for that matter) will not likely look at the context and just go with the sentiment expressed in the one snippet they have. You know they cherry-pick for everything else...why not this?

they don't mean any harm (physically)...at least most of them don't...and the problem is that you cannot distinguish in most cases the nut who WOULD do something stupid and the nut who just IS stupid...

sP
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:41 PM
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42. Somone spent nearly three years in jail
For making a reference to "a burning bush..."


rocktivity
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:09 AM
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4. I'm worried that some well meaning people may be fooled by it
too. People who assume it is a positive verse.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:10 AM
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5. Why ?
The entirity of DU were saying the same thing about Bush for eight years. They are allowed their opinion.

The psalm, on face value, isn't a threat. Now I am not saying that there may be some who think the worst but it would be kind of hard to prove.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:15 AM
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9. Did you see this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


I agree it will be difficult to prove malintent, but I think the FBI should become aware of these groups. It only takes one crazy prodded on by the mass paranoia to become a threat.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:17 AM
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11. You are wrong. While there might have been a small minority here who
wanted to see Bush & Cheney dead, and few others would cry if it happened, the VAST majority just wanted to see them in prison where they belong.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:22 AM
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14. Sorry, I do not remember folks wishing Bush dead
his wife an orphan and his children without a father.
I do remember most wishing him impeached.
Even now I believe most would like to see him tried for crimes committed as president.
So may I ask if you have proof of DUers wishing Bush dead?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:43 AM
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17. No one was saying they wanted Bush* to be harmed...
No one.... Making threats against the President or anyone, for that matter is not tolerated on DU, which is both Skinner policy and echos the views of the membership. We wanted the Bushies* judicially tried for their crimes--not hurt. Show me one, just one post or thread that backs your point.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:03 AM
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:04 AM
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24. FAIL.
We were NOT wishing Bush dead. Not one liberal I know ever, EVER prayed for his death.

Impeachment, yes, for lying the nation into war and not being elected in the first place.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:08 AM
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26. actually there were a few posts here
albeit a very few that could have been interpreted as wishing to harm the president or conduct armed revolution. and rightly so, the admins and mods immediately removed them.

when you have over 150,000 people who have registered and maybe posted on this board from time to time you are bound to have a couple of nuts...

sP
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:09 AM
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:11 AM
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31. well, you went to the other extreme of 'not one'
or something of that bent...there are nuts everywhere is all. and while you may not know one person who did this...there were a few people here that did.

sP
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:11 AM
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30. While we wanted him out of office in the worst way.
We were very careful to not intone the threat of violence.

This is a not-so-subtle dog whistle referencing assassination. What else can you draw from "fatherless" and "widow"?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:43 PM
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43. Plus, it's 109:8. Not 109:8-9.
That's the key difference, which ANY lawyer can successfully argue.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:10 AM
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6. You'll probably need to provide the video of Rachel Maddow
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 10:13 AM by hlthe2b
and Frank Schaeffer discussing it for context and background.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:13 AM
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8. Here is what I would do: leave a note on their car *saying* you reported them.
I don't think the SS truly needs to investigate somebody who is "praying for" those nasty things, but it sure wouldn't hurt to make the point to the owners of the bumper sticker, about how sick they are. And if it frightens them... that's gravy.
:evilgrin:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:15 AM
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10. i`d like to ask them if they really want the president-----
but a note would do.....
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:12 AM
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"Enjoy your chat with the Secret Service..." n/t
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:19 AM
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12. Counter w/Psalm 35 n/t
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:09 AM
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28. +1
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:45 PM
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44. Verse 4 definitley works
May those who seek my life be disgraced and put to shame;
may those who plot my ruin be turned back in dismay.

:bounce:
rocktivity
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:53 AM
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18. I don't believe praying for the death of the president is considered an active threat.
Didn't the SS even investigate and pay a visit to a Preacher actually PREACHING and praying to the conregation for the death of the president. Ultimately, wasn't it decided (at least in that instance) that praying for someones death is not a "threat"?

I don't see how this bumper sticker is any worse than preachers praying publicly for actual violence. Also, the bumper sticker only has verse 8 referenced. Verse 9 contains the implied threat. So now, to report this as a threat against the POTUS, you have to assume they are also citing another subsequent thna they are actually referenceing and then take that indirect citation an an implied threat of violence. They're playing semantics, technically, and it's bit of a stretch to cal them out if you ask me.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:14 AM
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35. Some will see it that way
and maybe even act on it - we cannot be sure - so it is inappropriate. The world is full of crazy, stressed out, unmedicated, delusional people.

Perfect Response -
4 May those who seek my life
be disgraced and put to shame;
may those who plot my ruin
be turned back in dismay.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:54 AM
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19. Can we kick their asses??
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:07 AM
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25. cinder block n/t
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:11 AM
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29. ".......You know what gets my enthusiasms??......"
"Baseball......"


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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:13 AM
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33. Or put a rock thru their window?
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:59 AM
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20. I will take down every license plate number and
turn them in - they are actively inciting violence to the President of the United States. The R's would not have stood for this when it was their guy.

I had a bumper sticker on my car during the last administration that said "Support Our Troops - Impeach (striked out) and IMPRISION (in its place) George W. Bush - and beleive me - I got cussed out & flipped off quite a bit. I'm in red country.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:00 AM
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21. No - but I am going to hack up the greenest luggi to spit on their car...
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:03 AM
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22. I would.
And I will.
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tiredtoo Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:14 AM
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34. I like a couple of the ideas posted here
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 11:15 AM by tiredtoo
and plan to use them as time allows, posting note and/or leaving gob on car.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:18 AM
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36. oh please don't
Yes it's vile and totally disgusting, but I smell a trap here, maybe a well orchestrated one. Can you imagine the cries of "religious persecution" over it? Probably better to let it die on its bitter little vine...
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:20 AM
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37. and i don't really think vandalizing cars is the right thing either
since there WERE tons of people that it happened to here (or at least it was reported)...why would people here want to recommend destroying the property of someone else?

sP
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:37 AM
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38. I totally agree with that.
I think I will just take down the license number and send it to the FBI. Let the guy who put the bumper sticker on figure out why the FBI is calling.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:43 AM
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39. the FBI won't be calling...
there is simply no reason for them to call. the people putting this on their car (at least the VAST majority) have no desire commit any sort of violence against the president. most of them would never read beyond the end of that verse and have no idea that the word widow even appears in context.

sP
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:44 AM
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40. exactly
The best thing to do with his one is ignore it....don't take the bait
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 12:13 PM
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41. dial 911
Or your local non emergency number for the local police. If it's a credible threat in your eyes, do you really wanna risk what may happen in the time it takes the Secret Service to send some agents out to investigate? The local police would be able to at least monitor the driver, if not pick them up for questioning and hold them in a secure location for the amount of time it takes for the proper federal agency to investigate.

I suppose if the concern is too acute, you could make a citizens arrest and hold them until help arrives. :shrug:


Let us know if you see one, and what happens.....
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 02:04 PM
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46. you call 911 over this an YOU will end up in the shit...
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:15 PM
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48. What a laugh.
The local police here would probably start following YOU around if you reported such a thing.
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 01:18 PM
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45. it might be best to break their windshield... with a bible...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 02:06 PM
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47. Pigs would view you w/greater suspicion than the 'good,' 'normal' American w/the sticker
Edited on Wed Nov-18-09 02:15 PM by Echo In Light
Count on it
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TicketyBoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:19 PM
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49. It's not a direct threat.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/11/16/bibli... /

The Secret Service has enough on its plate investigating serious threats without being bombarded with reports of enigmatic bumper stickers.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:35 PM
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50. Lots of returning soldiers and others need jobs
so let them beef up the Secret Service - then its a win/win - teach the racists rednecks a lesson and remove the filth from view - and help the job market.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:57 PM
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51. great idea! spy on and report our neighbors to the authorities over every perceived wrongdoing...
better idea! smash their windows or slit their tires because we don't like or understand their obscure bumper stickers.

we are progressives! its what we do!


really?



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