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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 09:48 AM
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Imagine if a Dem senator while under a Dem administration had said this
“The American public needs to understand, we’re talking about rape and murder here,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), telling reporters in 2004 why the Abu Ghraib photos should not be released as former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld faced calls for his resignation. “We’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We’re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.”

And then try and imagine the entire media and the Republican party not asking for some clarification on a statement like that? Just simple questions like, "Who was it you seen being raped and murdered Senator?" Or, "Who was doing the raping and murdering Senator?" Really simple isn't it? Or, "As a Military JAG Officer, what are you planning on doing about these rapes and murders Senator?

Simple questions. Never asked.

You can bet your ass if that had been a Dem Senator while under a Dem Commander In Chief those questions would have been asked over and over until the were answered. Wouldn't they have been? I can just hear Rush Limbaugh demanding answers right now. And he would have got them. But you will never hear even out most "liberal" TV or radio personalities asking these questions of Republicans.

Why is that?

Don

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/28/flashback-torture-photos/

Flashback: Torture photos depict ‘rape and murder,’ Sen. Graham said in 2004

By Stephen C. Webster

Published: May 28, 2009
Updated 6 months ago

In spite of the White House and Pentagon’s synchronized rebuttal to an explosive story by the Daily Telegraph alleging the White House is suppressing images of prisoners’ sexual abuse, almost nothing about the paper’s Thursday morning report was new, least of all the charges of rape.

“The American public needs to understand, we’re talking about rape and murder here,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), telling reporters in 2004 why the Abu Ghraib photos should not be released as former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld faced calls for his resignation. “We’re not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We’re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.”

The allegations leveled by Major General Antonio Taguba in Thursday’s Telegraph fall almost precisely in line with what was learned in 2004 following the first news and fallout from the Abu Ghraib torture scandal.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:24 AM
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1. Huh? There ARE Democrats who said essentially that when the issue
of the photos was first raised this spring. There language may have been less blunt and direct and it correctly had the caveats of if proven. They spoke of needing the truth, if not the photos out.

In 2004, there were Democrats who spoke of this under a Republican President and Rush Limbaugh did go after them. In Kerry's case, his comments were linked by Rush to his Vietnam comments, where he stood up to Nixon to speak the truth. Here, Graham is using that to argue why NOT to release the photos.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 10:48 AM
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2. And then there was Senator Inhofe who said he was "outraged at the outrage"
over the torture photos. He truly feels America should be proud that we torture people...and anyone that doesn't agree is pretty much guilty of treason..
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 11:21 AM
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3. Serious charges that have not been prosecuted.
And therein lies the rub. If these photos were released, then the powers that be would have no choice but to prosecute those Americans who's faced appeared in them. And given the admission of the nature of the crimes, rape & muder, there would be little room to make bargains for lesser sentences in return for keeping one's yap shut. There is a very huge risk that those prosecuted would name names. Not for leniency, as is often the case in "ordinary" cases, but because of a very understandable desire to take a few bastards down with them.

While were already know (or at least have a very good idea of) what went down in Abu Grahib (and other prisons), we do not have the proof that would allow prosecution. Prosecuting those who participated in the acts depicted in these photos, would almost certainly provide that proof, or at the very least point us in the direction to where that proof lies. Furthermore, in participating in (or allowing) the earlier suppression of these photos, a lot of Democtrats made themselves complicit.
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