This talk about a Pacific Rim Free Trade Agreement .......

[Stinky The Clown]

..... can anyone explain how we'll be better for it?

[anonymous171]

1. Amerikkka deserves it. Stop being so racist. Why do you hate progress?

And so on and so forth

[OhioChick]

3. "Stop being so racist"

:rofl:

[Deja Q]

2. We'll be poor or starving in the gutters.

I suppose that's better than the false freedoms we have now.

:shrug:



:sarcasm:, of course... I'd rather have what we have now and stop losing out. Globalzation is defini9tely not what it was sold as being and tax money protects their dismantling of us.

[Deja Q]

4. On the plus side, now we know why he said he was "America's first pacific president".

It was appeasement and pandering, just like this phony baloney agreement.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Do you have the text of this agreement?

I'd like to read it, as opposed to doing a knee jerk,
just because I can.

[Deja Q]

10. True, I was responding to inference...

just like you were to me. ;)

I'm sure when the details of any agreements come out, we'll both get to read them.

Just because we can.

[FrenchieCat]

11. I was just responding to you calling it a phony baloney agreement.

I figured you must have read it, to have such a strong opinion
about it. :shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Self delete

wrong answer to wrong poster

[NYC_SKP]

5. Is this a sex thread? Cuz I got some Classic 8mm films I'd trade for some Pacific...

...oh, never mind.

Which way to the lounge?

:P

[AllentownJake]

7. We won't

It is a bad deal for the American people as a whole, good deal for a few wealthy individuals.

[Oregone]

8. If you are outraged now, just wait for charters school/voucher reform

This is shaping up dandy

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Yeah, I've been following that one too.

Don't we all love Arne Duncan cuz he's tall and plays basketball?

[Hello_Kitty]

15. All I can say is no one who supports the mandatory for-profit health insurance better complain.

They can enjoy sending their kids to the profit-driven charter and private schools, while scrambling to find money to pay for all the incidentals that the public schools used to cover.

[AngryAmish]

9. What sort of rim job would it be?

[glitch]

27. !

:spray: DUzy!

[Yuugal]

13. Its easy

Ya see, all those 8yr old girls chained to their sewing machines for 16 hrs a day, along with the prison labor, will save up all their money and buy a missile from our military industrial complex. I'm not sure what the gps co-ordinates are for Al From's office, but I'm sure we can find that out before they get the 2 million up for the missile. It's clearly a win win for us.

[RB TexLa]

16. We'll? We as in who? We as in the US? Is that all you think of? How the US will be affected?

Guess that's all that matters in the world.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Project much?

You sure make some broad assumptions about another person's motives.

[RB TexLa]

18. I was asking. If that is not who your "we" is then just say so.

[anonymous171]

19. If we don't look out for ourselves, no one else will.

And by "ourselves" I mean the American people. Not their corporate owned government or the parasite class.

[mopinko]

20. trade agreements don't have to screw all but the rich.

who knows. obama might actually negotiate a trade agreement that is fair, and that promotes peace and prosperity for all. i mean, it could happen. not laying any odds on if it will, because there are a lot of others involved. but it could happen.

[anonymous171]

21. Probability and Possibility are two different things.

Obama could be an alien. Is that probable? No. Likewise, Obama could be planning on negotiating a fair trade agreement that promotes peace and prosperity for all. Is that likely? Hell no.

[mopinko]

23. well, imo, he would like to, he is smart enough to, the question is

can he sell it to the people that have to buy it. probable, no. but the improbable seems to have been the easy part so far.

[HughMoran]

22. Since I already lost my job to Asia - twice - I can't imagine how it could be any worse

...than the "no regulations" that we seem to have now.

:shrug:

[madrchsod]

25. ya.... i lost two good paying union jobs.....

[madrchsod]

24. i think we should stop making everything in the usa....

then we`ll save even more at walmart! no more expensive usa made goods! we need more cheap shit from china,vietnam,or some third world hellhole.

fair trade! fair trade! fair trade!

[Canuckistanian]

26. Even cheaper Ramen noodles?

Oh, and more people needing them.

[reggie the dog]

28. If it is the USA

Japan, South Korea, Canada, Singapore and Taiwan then I think it is ok as we have similar standards of living.

[Hippo_Tron]

29. We already have free trade with many of the cheap labor countries on that list

And thus in theory we would be mostly opening up to non cheap labor countries which should in theory improve our trade balance. But I've only glanced over the list and haven't really researched it, so if somebody has looked at this a little more closely and has a different opinion I would take their word for it.

Also, there is the fact that we can't run a giant trade deficit forever. Eventually the Chinese are going to want something tangible with in exchange for all of that money they've lent us and we're going to have to produce that.

[AdHocSolver]

30. There is no such thing as "free trade". It is a corporate buzz word designed to...

...hide the fact that all of our trade agreements are just corporate cartel agreements to stifle competition and maintain corporate control of trade.

These cartel agreements are designed to make it easy for corporations to set up factories in low-wage countries, for example China, and then import the Chinese manufactured goods back into the U.S. without paying import taxes. It is the American corporations that push this to make even more profit by offshoring jobs to cheap-labor countries.

This practice (euphemistically labeled "free-trade") is what is destroying the U.S. economy and bringing on the coming depression.

Expanding "free trade" is like putting out a fire by throwing gasoline on it. We already import such a high percentage of the goods that we buy, that we can never reduce the trade deficit by eliminating jobs and importing more cheap stuff. It is plainly stupid to think that countries like China will increase imports from the U.S. when they can already produce everything in their own country more cheaply than they could buy it from the U.S. More "free trade" agreements will merely speed up the destruction of the U.S. economy.

What we should be doing is getting rid of NAFTA, MFN status for China and other slave-wage countries, getting rid of the WTO, the World Bank, the IMF, and imposing trade quotas and import duties on any products manufactured in slave-wage states to provide American companies who want to produce goods here with American workers the ability to compete with the corporate cartels.