Let's Face It, Big Eddie Is An IDIOT

[SoFlaJet]

When Lanny Davis makes more sense than him...In short his position is if the HCR bill isn't EXACTLY the way HE wants it to be then democrats shouldn't vote for it. He said that he'd take his chances and go to the polls in 2010 and try and get more dems to vote for the more progressive plan. I had to turn the TV off...I can't even watch his show anymore.

[lonestarnot]

1. I was enjoying him myself.

[ddeclue]

2. Ed's right..we shouldn't accept the crappy Bauccus bill. nt

[FrenchieCat]

5. Yeah!

We should stand Firm like Bill Clinton did in 93.
Cause look how much we've progressed on the issue since!

[SoFlaJet]

15. It took a name I know

for a long time to see it the way I do...Schultz doesn't have to worry about who is going to pay for his health care-WE do...

[blm]

18. Is he wrong? Will insurance industry NOT make healthcare more affordable with no public option?

?

[SoFlaJet]

20. All I'm saying is pass a bill and work on making it better

fail to pass one and pay the price politically blm. Schultz is saying that if he had a vote he wouldn't even vote for it-and that progressive dems should 'pull a Kucinich'...real helpful that is.

[sabrina 1]

44. Isn't that what they always say about bad bills?

'We'll fix it later' like The Welfare Bill, Fisa, the MCI and Nafta eg? Sorry there is not a good track record for that excuse anymore.

The fact is there is not reason why the Dems could not have simple extended Medicare for All. It's cheaper, more efficient and the public could get behind that. They didn't even try. They did not need Republicans as we could see with this bill. When they want to get something done, they get it done. The only reason was the Insurance Industry needed a bail-out. Another failed private predatory industry, bailed out by Democrats.

Ed is right ~ giving crumbs to the public and a huge windfall, forcing Americans to hand over money to an industry which has failed them up to now, is not what 'change' was supposed to mean.

Republicans were dead in the water, and would never support anything that benefits the people, even this bill which they really should love for the most part. They should have been ignored. And in the end they were, but for the wrong reasons.

[Raine]

3. No he is NOT

he's correct!

[TransitJohn]

49. This "health care reform"=Clinton's "welfare reform" n/t

n/t

[Thrill]

4. Eddie needs to realize: You go to war with the Healthcare plan you have, not the Plan you might

want"

Donald Rumsfeld

[SoFlaJet]

10. Get A BILL PASSED first

and work on making it better later. First in conference and then through amendments within the funding. Vote AGAINST it and face the wrath of the GOP next year who will run on 'THE DEMS FAILED TO GET HCR!!!!" Smart strategy there Big Ed

[ChiciB1]

21. Well Here's The Catch... Do You REALLY Think This Bill Is Going To Get

re-visited?? Personally, I DON'T! Just to say you got HCR seems to be what's going to come out in the wash, AND it won't go into affect right away either! Unless I missed something, it's 2013 isn't it??

So WHEN is it that they will re-visit?? Things keep going this way, 2013 might just have a repuke sitting in the HIGH seat!

[SoFlaJet]

25. don't get a bill passed

and Sarah Palin might just be your president by then

[ChiciB1]

41. And I Say... Might Be Anyway! Doubt It's Palin... But One Of THEM PEOPLE! n/t

[FormerDittoHead]

42. Sure. Right after NAFTA.

You're right. We've got ONE CHANCE TO GET IT RIGHT - at least to the point of it not having so many poison pills that it will mean the complete opposite of what it's trying to do and enable a resurgence of "them".

There is NO WAY this will be easily changed. With NO public option to 'modify', there is no good mechanism for competition.

[B Calm]

54. "Remember the NAFTA" should be the progressive Battle Cry!

[FormerDittoHead]

56. Yes. That was the big "selling point". "It can be changed." "It can be rescinded", etc.

I ALSO remember the big "bipartisan support" for it...

The fact is that once in law, and businesses and everyone make accommodations, it would take another 20-24 years before anything significant COULD be done.

*IF* it had a public option, I could see it getting EXPANDED through time, HOWEVER, with NO public option - this whole thing takes on literally sinister undercurrent.

[redqueen]

6. I dunno about that...

look at it this way... if enough people agree with him, and (and this is key) call and write their Senators and Representatives, perhaps his rants might end up helping to get a better bill out of reconciliation.

[EFerrari]

7. When you find Lanny Davis making sense to you it's time

to take a break.

[ChiciB1]

11. To Which I Totally Agree... He's A Real Sell-Out Himself!! n/t

[EFerrari]

14. One of his last projects was to represent the murdering, torturing,

kidnapping, raping Honduran coup leaders. Lanny never met a scumbag he didn't like.

[ChiciB1]

17. There Was A Tiny Window I Gave Him "Once" But I Don't Trust Davis

FER NUT-TIN! I thought he went away, but have been seeing him pop up now and then. He's very RIGHT LEANING to me, and has been from what I've seen for many years!

[ChiciB1]

8. What He's Saying Is TRUTH TO POWER! I Feel Like He Does...

Dems are getting BIG TIME ROLLED with HCR! And I too will go so far to say that IF this HCR Bill passes "as is" and with a little "fiddling" here an there... then Dems did it to themselves. John Harwood coming up... let's see what HE has to say!

Go, BIG ED!!

[blm]

9. Except Ed is speaking the truth - Clinton was using his powers of persuasion on progressive Dems to

scare them into backing down to the corporate wing of the Dem party....no different than when he persuaded Dems to support Bush on his Iraq war decision.

Bill manages to use his privilege and his talent to support the needs of corporatists and Bushes.....once again.

[Jane Austin]

37. How do you know what Clinton said?

Thanks.

[blm]

43. If he was there pushing for public option, DU and other forums would know - so would Ed.

There are some senate staffers who are members here.

Besides, didn't you hear Lanny Davis? He was repping Clinton's side - push ANY bill. That is NO warning to obstructionists of public option - that's COVER for them to stick to their position.

[Jane Austin]

52. Oh. I had no idea people

here were so well connected.

Do you know anyone who was there?

[blm]

55. You think Ed Schultz doesn't know people who were there? You think he spoke in a vacuum?

And there are senate staffers who are MEMBERS here at DU, some who are regular posters - I will not point them out as it is against the rules, but, it should be obvious to anyone paying attention over the last few years.

Lanny Davis was on Ed's show to defend Clinton's push to pass ANY bill. Ed was attacking that as cover for the obstructionists - if he's wrong state why you think he's wrong and Davis is right.

[chimpymustgo]

12. If you think Lanny Davis makes more sense than Ed, somebody ELSE is the IDIOT.

[bigtree]

13. He makes a case that all of this huddling behind the House bill

has taken the wheels off of the public option and invited its dismantling. Signaling that you'll pass ANYTHING means you'll likely get what you ask for.

[blm]

19. Exactly - Clinton was there to give COVER to those who are obstructing public option - PERIOD!

Just as he did for Bush on Iraq war and close pal LIEBERMAN. No wonder Davis is there repping Clinton on this - he always does.

[bigtree]

22. .

:think:

blm

[SoFlaJet]

24. and to warn the democratic party

of the political ramifications of failure that he knows all too well. We don't know who he was trying to sell to-that's all speculation-we DO know what he said about failure to pass the bill does.

[blm]

30. Baloney - he warned PROGRESSIVE Dems, when he could have cornered the OBSTRUCTIONIST faction

and warned THEM. You KNOW he did that but can't admit it - just like many need to forget that Bush couldn't have gotten as much Dem support for Iraq War Resolution if Clinton hadn't stepped in and met with Dem lawmakers and convinced them that Iraq was a serious threat based on HIS privileged access to intel they'd never be able to get near as lawmakers.


This is always what CLINTON does. Ever...EVER...see him corner CENTRISTS? Lieberman?

[SoFlaJet]

32. No, I DON'T know that

where did you read it? I KNOW what I READ about his warning. Show me.

[blm]

35. If he was there to push the obstructionists we would have HEARD ABOUT IT loud and clear

and instead we heard he urged them to pass 'A' bill.

Ed, you, me and DU would've heard it quickly as a few DUers are also senate staffers. Bill Clinton warning obstructionists on public option would have been BIG news and celebrated around the blogosphere. Instead we have Lanny Davis repping Bill's position - just like he does for Lieberman - and WHO is crowing about blocking bill with public option? Lieberman.

Sorry, SoFla, but, this stinks EXACTLY like Alito filibuster that was undermined by so-called Dems behind closed senate caucus doors.

[TicketyBoo]

34. Right.

I usually read all of the replies before replying myself.

Yours was the one I was waiting for.

[Major Hogwash]

46. I think you're probably right - the DLC'ers have f'ed up the Dem party pretty bad

I have no idea what Clinton thinks he is going to accomplish by hanging around.
Isn't there a foreign country somewhere that wants to pay him $2 million to speak about something?

[Nite Owl]

16. Ed's got some valid points

though I doubt that the dems would/could pull it off. They might be afraid of losing any crossover R votes in 2010. (They certainly aren't interested in progressives!)

[rwheeler31]

23. Ed is not a process guy. He doesn't seem to get how slow the

government works. Letting this go now would be a disaster for all of us.

[SoFlaJet]

27. yea maybe we could try again so my grandkids

could get Health Care in another 40 years-THIS is the time...right here, right now.

[noamnety]

26. You are misrepresenting his concerns:

"his position is if the HCR bill isn't EXACTLY the way he wants it"

That makes it sound like the sticking point is a minor little thing, not the entire structuring of the bill.

I was happy to hear him speaking the truth about it.

[undeterred]

28. No he isn't an idiot.

[SoFlaJet]

29. when you say that DEMOCRATS should vote against THEIR OWN BILL

well stupid is as stupid says

[izquierdista]

31. He'll blow in some different direction tomorrow

You can count on him to BLOW loud and BLOW hard, and usually in some leftward sort of direction. That's why he's entertaining.

[mmonk]

33. I'm in Ed's corner to some extent if this bill is going to kill real

reform for a monopoly position for for profit health insurers. Regulating them might be better and subsidizing the poor so they could buy insurance. Otherwise, medicare for all because the structure is in place.

[TicketyBoo]

38. I definitely am in favor

of Medicare For All (and I've been mailing my Senators and Congressman and others, too, to that effect), but let's face it, it's not going to happen.

[madrchsod]

36. big ed has had close to 18 townhall`s on health care

he`s been on this since day one and he`s not going to back down.

[lamp_shade]

39. Sometimes.... Yes. I decided tonight to watch Family Guy instead.

[cynatnite]

40. You may not agree with him, but he is far from an idiot. n/t

[B Calm]

45. I think he's right! If they can't pass HCR with a robust public option,

then they should wait until after the next election. Then we can purge our party of the conservative dems and vote in single payer!

[TicketyBoo]

47. If you want to "purge our party"

of Ben Nelson, then we will end up with two Republican Senators instead of the one we have now.

Just speaking the truth. And it's likely that way in other states, too.

[fishnfla]

48. he keeps sayin' "I dont care if so and so gets reelected"

I keep hearin' : "I hope a republican wins that seat"

I keep going: 'click, whats on XMU?'

[SoFlaJet]

50. That's what I'm saying my fellow Floridian...

how is wishing a democrat LOSE a seat-no matter what kind of blue dog he or she is a good thing right now? Should we become what the republicans have become-where they all go against their own party on strictly ideological terms? Look how well THAT'S working out for them. That, is idiotic and I'm no fan of blue dogs.

[fishnfla]

51. In the past week I listened to the first 10 mins of his show twice

he blasted BO for going to Madison Wisc
and today the big dog

Hey ED fuck you, the Avett Brothers are rocking on XMU.

*click*

[B Calm]

53. Have you ever heard of primaries?

[JerseygirlCT]

57. I'm not at all sure Davis makes more sense than Ed

Davis is just always more willing to sell out - especially when none of his rights are in danger.