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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:42 AM
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He's a killer, he's a star.
I was going to put together a photo collage to illustrate my point, but you can see the photos anywhere you look this morning. Cho Seung-Hui with his guns, with his knives, with a hammer looking like he's about to swing on you with it, pointing his Glock right into the camera. All of these shots feature Cho with the facial expression you usually see on WWE or some other stupid program where people are supposed to look pissed off.

It's like a goddamn bad parody. The New York Times, for Chrissakes, has a slide show of this murderous little piece of shit, making all his 'I hate you' faces, with quotes from his fucking 'manifesto' - like anything this guy ever said in his short, hateful, worthless life is even worth repeating. The Daily News' front page headlines with 'The Face Of Evil: Click here for image gallery!'

They're turning this killer into goddamn William Hung with handguns.

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More at http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20070419074833274

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:43 AM
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1. The face of EEEEEVIL!!!! Not mental illness, mind you. EEEEEEVIL!!
What a disgrace.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:43 AM
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2. We can only endure it till it all goes away in a few months.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:44 AM
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3. He's really raised the bar for the next lunatic.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:51 AM
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4. Yes, murder is foul but when you read his life it sounds like he was pushed ...
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 07:53 AM by cooolandrew
... to that feeling of extreme hate. It reads to me of a good person bullied so badly that he feels his only way out is violence. It's wrong what he did, but also wrong what got him to that point. Fundamentally we need to teach the kids love over hate is the real story here, link..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007180184,00.html
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:57 AM
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6. I'm sorry, Andrew. I can't muster any sympathy at all for this guy.
Maybe that makes me mean, I don't know.

But I was reading OperationMindCrime's screen cap of Cho's 'manifesto,' and the part that jumped out at me was the whole 'kill yourself' bit.

Would that this kid took that part of his manifesto seriously, and followed it.

But what's done is done. I'm seething at the media, who have given this guy a level of attention usually reserved for presidents and kings. WTF does that say to all those other paranoids out there?

It says killing is wrong, but if you're gonna do it, make a video and send it to us. We'll make you a star.

My fucking head hurts from this. We've entered an entirely new realm of media debasement here.

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:00 AM
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7. the "democtratic Terrorists" part was totally unhinged. Talk-radio fan?
sounds like one...
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:12 AM
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8. I think that referred to "spreading democracy" rather than a political party.
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 08:26 AM by greyl
I could be wrong, but it makes more sense that way.

edit:corrected caps
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 07:57 AM
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5. Of course he is. Just look around you at what our grand culture
purchases for entertainment. Look at the films and games for which we pay huge dollars. Look at the television shows we clamor to watch. A culture of violence and petty meanness magnified under the lens of the media microscope. We watch beautiful young women degraded, raped, and mutilated, while dressed in high fashion. We watch muscular young men dressed in black spraying bullets from huge guns in to crowds. We put people on islands and ask them to cast each other out. We are seduced by darkness and flirt with it continually. We denigrate those who are not wealthy or young or beautiful enough and who don't fit the culturally defined image of glamor right now.

We want what we want and we'll kill to get it. And those who get it can step on the ones who cannot. Hell, we have a swaggering cowboy wannabe for a leader now. You know, the guy who they are always trying to cast as "square-jawed hero." The one who oversaw executions and promotes slaughter.

The image Cho is the very stuff we've been told by the media and the politicians of the past few years a hero should be. One who gets what he wants even if it means demeaning others or mowing them down. Now Cho was an extremely ill individual. But the media is busy working on the cartoon image alone right now. It's pathetic that they cannot see how their creations can feed into someone's already disturbed thought processes and delusions.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:19 AM
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9. Since he obviously mailed
his 'manifesto' to the nat'l news hoping to get worldwide attention for being a 'martyr' or whatever he called himself, the last thing I would've done is let him have his attention & inspire other troubled people... but I guess ratings are more important than responsible journalism.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:25 AM
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10. That's what makes absolutely no sense, and PERFECT sense.
You would think that a 'respectable' news outlet, one of the used-to-be 'Big Three,' would show a modicum of responsibility and not give this murderous lunatic a world-wide platform for his twisted thoughts.

In the old days of responsible journalism, some news director with a shred of integrity and regard for the institution that he worked for would have nipped this in the bud.

But there are no news directors with integrity left at this point.

The news media in this country has been in free-fall for years. Well, they've just crashed through the floor and are hurtling towards the basement. All bets are off now, since they've shown that they'll give wall-to-wall coverage to anything.

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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:29 AM
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11. it's part of the story
the guy writes a manifesto and sends it out WHILE IN THE ACT of committing his crime. That makes the manifesto and tapes part of the story that news outlets have to tell.

Whether or not it's what he wanted is irrelevant, it's part of the story and needs to be told, in context.

Can you imagine the outcry if people knew there were tapes of him and writings and those weren't released to the public? The public has a right to know what he says, and ignore it if they choose, or pay attention.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:33 AM
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12. NBC = Nothing But Cho
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if they put up their mailing address for future serial killers.

Terrorism has 2 components: horrific violence + a political message. NBC is complicit in delivering Cho's message. Completely irresponsible on their part. Many said this would happen after Columbine was covered the way it was.

And they are making music videos out of it all too. It is sickness passed off as pop culture.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:38 AM
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13. Thanks, NBC. Greedy f*cking schmucks.
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 09:09 AM by npincus
Lauer and his solemn "we will only run it once, not is a continous loop"... oh yeah???? MSNBC is running it like there's no tomorrow. And, now that it's been unleashed in to the wild, it's geting more media play than the once-ubiquitious "Dean Scream".

The country/world is full of lonely, miserable, some mentally-unstable pweople who would love to be the next media star. Thank you, NBC.

FLASH: RATINGS BLOWOUT FOR NBC NEWS... 7.4 RATING/15 SHARE FOR BRIAN WILLIAMS AND CHO TAPES, NIELSEN OVERNIGHTS SHOW... 6.2/12 FOR ABC 'WORLD NEWS'... CBS COURIC AT 4.2/8...
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:39 AM
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14. Agree, it does seem as if the media wants to make people like him
and those two who did the Columbine shootings (Why mention their names, giving them more name recognition?) into stars.
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:06 AM
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15. Rammstein, Ich Will
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6KsSzo2vYq8

Summary from Wikipedia

The music video of 'Ich will' features the band members engaging in a bank robbery. The video shows both the robbery and its aftermath, and moves between these two scenes.

The robbery: The band is shown entering a bank wearing stockings over their heads - except for Flake, who has a very large and elaborate-looking bomb strapped to his chest. Various band members (not including Flake) later leave the bank and are confronted with both police and media. The reaction of the media towards the Rammstein band members is quite outlandish - they are celebrated by the media, it would seem. At the very end of the video, the timer on Flake's bomb reaches zero. The video quickly flicks through a series of short clips from some of Rammstein's other music videos, then comes to an end.

The aftermath: The band (Flake excluded) emerges from a bus wearing shackles and prison attire. They are surrounded by a large crowd and the media, and the crowd cheers for them. They step up to a podium and receive an award (a gold video camera trophy, it seems). Behind the band is a large, sepia picture of Flake and a Coffin which is supposedly the place where the "remains" of Flake lie. (Note that most of the 'aftermath' is in fact shown at the beginning of the clip, although it is revisited later as well.)

In an interview, Rammstein describe the music video of 'Ich Will' as being a demonstration of the media's obsession with a good story, as well as an illustration of the immortality that can be achieved by those who commit wrongs. There is also a hint of irony stemming from that fact that, in reality, the band is often condemned by both critics and the media..

In fact,the video was censored in some countries and channels because of "violent content".


Basically Natural Born Killers retold in 3 minutes. Excellent economy of style.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:08 AM
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16. It's the new American dream. nt
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:09 AM
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17. turn your channel to cpsan 3 which is showing very important hearings...
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