"Hater"

[Stinky The Clown]

I find it pretty amazing how freely the word "hate" and all its derivatives are thrown about.

Do you really think someone who disagrees with you is a "hater"? Really? That's pretty strong stuff.

Guys in white sheets who ride at night might be haters.

But people who disagree with you on some point or other in a political debate? They're "haters"?

If you're such an inarticulate clod that "hater" is the best form of "neener neener" you can come up with, maybe a time out is in order.

How is calling someone you NEVER MET a "hater" a viable part of a debate, the point of which is usually to convince someone to agree with you. And I agree. You will not ever be able to get everyone to agree with you.

But to call them "haters"? That shows YOU to be a fool and it causes those truly deserving of the descriptor to get a pass.

Lots of people who post here at DU are increasingly unhappy with the direction of the Obama administration on one, or several, or many issues. Maybe even everything about him.

But do they "hate" him? Really? Do you really know what "hate" even means?

That's really foul.

And shame on you if you're guilty of saying it.

[ecstatic]

1. Hater has a different meaning in pop culture

And that could be causing some confusion.

Shortened version of "player hater:"

1. A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.

Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesn't really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.

2. A label applied to people who are more negative than positive when discussing another person. It most commonly refers to individuals whose negativity is so extreme that it is all-consuming. However, there are various levels and forms of being a hater, ranging from completely dismissing any positive traits or actions, to merely painting a less than flattering picture by using words with negative connotations. Hating is often attributed to jealousy, but just as often, it seems to stem from some other source.

-UrbanDictionary.com lol

[madinmaryland]

2. I've been called a hater for merely pointing out the fact that the yankees bought their

world series championship.

I guess that they hate having folks point out the obvious to them.

:shrug:

[Ineeda]

3. I admit to calling those teabaggers

holding their offensive signs 'haters' because I believe they genuinely hate Obama. Yes, they are misguided, ignorant and manipulated by Limpball and Beckkk types, but they still are haters. You know what? I hate them. And I very rarely use that word. Sometimes the word is appropriate and neener-neener doesn't cut it.

[Stinky The Clown]

9. No need to apologize for that. That isn't even what this post is about.

I would be willing to bet that some - probably not all - of the teabagger types do, indeed, hold hatred for some people. And for some of them, I can tell you that I approach holding the same feelings for them.

This post is about people here on the DU who call others here on the DU "haters".

[Echo In Light]

4. When one approaches me online in a hostile manner that they likely would not in real life

... I usually consider that person a 'hater' of sorts.

Re what you're driving at about Obama, though, that's just the required framing that those who can't stand it that there isn't a mindless majority in lockstep, and so need to lash out, but obviously can't do so for the real reasons, and so adopt this "You HATE Obama!" window dressing in hopes of adding legitimacy to their spew ... that, again, is actually about lack of uniformity.

[Winterblues]

5. I have never met Rush Limbaugh yet I will call him a Hate Monger as I understand the term to mean.

Any person that creates hatred by their actions and words as Limbaugh does is a Hate Monger.. I doubt I am the only person to feel this way..

[Stinky The Clown]

7. I happen to agree with you, to a point.

Limbaugh can CERTAINLY be accused of spreading and inciting hatred. So can Beck and all the rest.

But even for them, I can not say they hate anyone. I don't know. I DO know that hate is an awful thing. I also know that Rush, et al, make money by "hating" ..... whether feigned or genuine.

[pipi_k]

6. I'm trying to reply in a way that encompasses all of my thoughts

on this, but I can't, so the only thing I can say is Thank You.


Where I come from, name-calling isn't considered an adult form of discussion.

neener neener indeed.

[Echo In Light]

8. Ha..hey, I frequent forums dedicated to weirdo sub-cultures that haven't as much name-calling as DU

[REP]

10. People appropriating youth slang to appear hep

As Ella Fitzgerald said, "Ain't nothing squarer than a hep square."

[TwilightZone]

11. The person who uses "hater" is no more foolish than the person who uses...

"Obamabot" or "Messiah" or the myriad silly terms used for Obama and his supporters on DU.

Both sides do it, of course. They're shortcuts intended to end debate, used to avoid providing a rational basis for one's argument.

[jgraz]

12. No, both sides do NOT do it.

I've yet to see a single "Obamabot" post that isn't in direct response to an attack. All you need to do to get a "hater" post is suggest that Obama is somehow less than perfect.

[TwilightZone]

13. You see what you want to see.

And so does the other side.

My side is always perfectly polite and only responds to attacks.

The other side is always nasty and snide and attacks me for no reason.

Those beliefs are as old as DU.

[jgraz]

14. What I see is you making an assertion without evidence

If "both sides do it", show us one example. Just one.

[TwilightZone]

15. You simply cannot be serious.

After a year-plus of "Messiah" bullshit on this site, you honestly believe that?

Really?

Please tell me that you're joking.

[jgraz]

17. Right, I'm asking you for evidence. Truly beyond the pale.

:eyes:

If it was so obvious, you should have no problem providing a single link to one unprovoked "Obamabot" or "messiah" attack.

[TwilightZone]

18. Ok, now I'm sure that you're just yanking my chain.

Anyone who has spent any time whatsoever on this site knows that silly, pointless attacks are made daily by every side on pretty much every issue.

It's simply impossible that you believe otherwise. Thanks for the laugh, though.

[jgraz]

19. Like I said: you made an assertion that you can't back up.

My position is that the two groups are not exhibiting equivalent behavior. The groups throwing around "hater" do it at pretty much any post critical of Obama. I've yet to see a single person throw out "messiah" or "Obamabot" in response to a purely positive Obama post (as opposed to one that's a veiled attack).

[jgraz]

20. And again. Another unprovoked attack on "haters"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8749828&mesg_id=8749879

This time, we also get compared to Karl Rove. Nice.


Still waiting on a single link supporting your claim...

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Thank youThere has been a self-segregation on DU since before the end of the Primaries.

The strong Obama supporters have pretty much stayed in GD-Pol and people who were not such strong supporters, or who simply prefer(ed) not to engage in singing with the choir, stayed or moved to GD. The trouble happens when the groups try to mix. Some posters successfully exist in both worlds. Some not so much.

When big things happen, like this health care thing, the defenders and the detractors, the happy and the disappointed, the supportive and the sanquine, put on their Bloods and Crypts suits and get ready to rumble.

There really is a divide.

[G_j]

21. a few people are

though I've never called them that, because it's a Republican meme, We were all "Bush-Haters" according to them.

But, for example, post something about Nader, and you will see some genuinely hateful posts.
Real haters do exist.

[LeftHander]

22. I am sure the people who deny rights to same sex couples are sweet...

Sorry they are deserving of vengeful backlash for their ignorance and HATE.

[Greyhound]

23. Too late to rec but good point.. n/t

[bigwillq]

24. Been called a "hater" so many times on DU

if I didn't agree with their point of view. It's sad, really, that people have to resort to using that term.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. I know that those who toss that word about

live in wee protected bubbles, and always have. They have never seen the real thing, and they know not what they are saying. It makes them seem like suburban bumpkins of limited experience.